Shamea Morton on Fame, Friendship & Finding Her Voice

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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What do you mean?

Now? You know this has been long overdue.

Absolutely, I have been waiting to extail, so thank you for coming. Well.

I always wanted to make sure that you were in the proper hit space to talk to me, because you know, on my podcast, I like to go deep.

Yes, y'all do yeah, I'll be honest. I was like, damn, I hope I get a fair interview. I hope like they don't just tack my ass as soon as they sit down.

No, no, you don't do it. Don't do it.

First of all, I was nervous saying, one, you're nervous.

No, I'm not.

Now, I mean seeing you and your energy is always great. But I was just like watching your you know, your podcast, I'm like, oh my gosh, that is.

So not what I meant.

That is so not what I do. That is what happened on yeah you know, and so like Jesus.

Well listen, that's why for me is this one thing I always do on my Monday night live show with Claudia, Dust and Blue. I always stick to what I'm seeing the episode, and then I try to context based on my producer experience. But I never want to run the gamut of trying to say things I may know, because I think that's unfair with the relationships I do have, I understand and because I do have a relationship with you.

I always say the beauty of my one on one interviews is I'm able to use this as a long form interview to be able to talk to the source.

So first thing, first, how are you?

I'm doing great. You know, God is good. I've been blessed with a lot of great things, like my beautiful family, my husband. We've been married. Next year will be ten years. We're going back to Kenya for our tenure about renewal. I want you to come simunification.

I'm there. We're going to do I Love An Africa.

This is not any gay, single male family members, because well I.

Don't know what in his family, but there are some Kenyons out there that are calling all the Kenyons.

Well, no, I'm just saying Gerald's blood line, you know. The most recent episode and his brother is.

Very handsome, and Gerald's handsome, so a lot of handsome brothers.

I wanted to know there was a gay one in the minutes. You just had to come hang around. Okay, I'm there.

Yes, I love my husband. I've got two beautiful daughters, Shy and Shiloh, three and seven years old. Now they're they're doing well. Everybody's great. You know, I've gotten some great opportunities. Obviously finally got a peach.

We'll get to that in the second season.

And from that, I've gotten some great opportunities, like the Airwick campaign.

What and what did I do when the Airwick commercial aired?

Did you go buy some Airwick?

Oh you forgot already. I sent you a note.

You showed love. I appreciate that. You made me feel good.

Yeah.

I was like, okay, thank you, thank you for that, and that love was Yeah, was really nice.

No, I said it live on my show.

But Losses also messaged you personally and said, now this, do more of this.

Because you have it. You really do, You really do, And I am.

Concerned for you though, Yeah, I'm concerned for me.

I know things have been tough.

That's probably an understatement. I mean it's been like I'm drowning, like hello, I'm trying to get air, and a lot of people are like, oh, you bring it on yourself. You talk too much, you do too much.

I'm me.

I am a big ball of energy and my personality has always been big. You said it first time you met me, Like, oh my god, you're like this all the time.

Yeah.

My parents have been saying that since I was a kid. I can't be anything else but me right, and either you love it, you love it or great. But if you don't, I get it. I may not be your person, but I hate being misunderstood. And I feel like that's where I am in this space, in this friend group and on these platforms.

Has you holding a peach been everything you thought it would be? Yes and no.

As much as I've won with Airwick and Wayfair and all the things, I've lost some things that I really loved, like what like friendships and hell possibly even a job?

What job?

With the newest allegations that are being put out there, I'm having to prove my innocence. That is why I say when people say Shamia goes for low hanging fruit like bigfoot or sasquatch. Yeah, because I don't want to say things that are going to damage people permanently, like ruining people's marriage. In one statement, you attack my marriage and my jobs, and I work hard for my jobs.

I've been with the NBA for over a decade. There are only a handful of people that look like me that are in my position. So I don't take that lightly. I have a contract, like, that's not why I'm there, and I'm married. Hell, these kids are old enough to beat my child, you know what I mean. I take my job very seriously. I'm good at what I do.

I enjoy what I do. And hell, if we're being quite honest, why would I sleep with the players when my husband can own the team? Can we talk about it?

Let's I mean, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. So for the record, because I want to be able to have you clear the air. Have you ever had any relationships with a Hawks or Falcons player?

Never?

Not like ever. I had.

I dated one athlete when I was in college, like in two thousand and three, and he played for the Kansas City Chiefs and it was short lived, all of maybe six months to a year. And that's when I realized, well, athletes aren't my thing. I like working in the sport, not lean the sport.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You like a little bit more of a yeah.

I like a white collar smart guy. Yeah yeah, hence the reason I'm married Gerald.

When you look at.

The allegations that Angela Oakly made, do you think it was payback for what happened last season when Portia made the comment about Charles and what she would do, and Angela felt at the time as a married woman, you were laughing at her expense. Do you think Angela never let that go and the moment and opportunity presenting herself to and maybe her her view to expose you, that she did it in that infamous.

Sit down dinner.

Possibly. You know, I can't say why she would do or you know why she why she said what she said, right. I do know that I apologize to Angela for my partner for laughing at it. Right, that was my girl. Like I almost Standanto's down in the back of the cop car, I was too, you know, we laughed it off. Whatever, you know, I owned it. I apologize for it. I would have thought we should have been able to move on from it. I had no other beef with Angela at all. That was the only thing. And now she's saying that there's more that I said. I said absolutely nothing else but her clothes we fit and whack and she ain't yerous. And I mean, of course I make my little snod shit like with her nose and her feet,

oh whatever. But I never have attacked Angela's marriage. Matter of fact, I'm a Charles Oakley fan.

So well, you did say it doesn't come home at night.

Well, he is the one that said that. Actually, if you want to roll the tape back, Charles said that I leave home. They asked him. I think it was at Porscha's dinner. What's the key to a successful marriage? He said, I leave home in the morning before they wake up or something like that. I don't know if it's verbatim, but and I don't get home until they're sleeping or til she sleep.

Mm hm.

So you're repeating what your husband said. Girl.

So for the record, you were trying to intimate that Charles is out there having well, she.

Said, my husband said, when he's out, he sees you out.

Yes.

I repeated what she said and said, well, if he sees me out, then he's out too. He outside and you ain't with him. Where's a lie? You said? He see me out, don't name me? He out too?

When you see Charles out, is he with Angela? No?

But I've only seen Charles out like twice if it's not in my workspace. I seen him at Prime. But I want to say, I was with Kelly one time and I'm like, what is this out that you're talking about? And if I'm out out like that, I'm working. It's a bag involved. I'm only using her own words against her. Hello, Please do the same for me. Don't come for my job or my marriage. I'm even cool. What you said, bbs shit, Go for a girl.

The body's body should be. You look good. Thank you, you look good.

I would like to go backwards a little bit because I do feel like you're misunderstood and I do feel like the world doesn't know.

You truly. And we'll get into some of the reasons why I think that. But first thing first, like.

Who is Shoumia Morton? Like you are a beautiful woman. You have both parents still married to each other, right, both as the parents and you.

My grandparents great grandparents.

Come from, so were you always like the prettiest girl? In your class.

Oh, that's sweet of you to say that. I don't know that. I've always felt like I was the prettiest girl. I think that my parents raised me to be confident and loved my skin because I was often coined the cute girl for the dark skinned girl, the cute dark skin girl, or the you're so pretty to be so dark.

You know, people will say that to you.

Yeah, absolutely, or the token black girl. Even when I came up in the space of cheering for NFL NBA, this was bait way back in the day two aout three thousand and four, Like I was the token black girl. Like you may have one or two chocol like black girls. I was the one chocolate girl. But then you would have someone that's your complexon or mixed or you know, mixed race, and but I was the chocolate girl.

Did you always embrace you being a chocolate girl?

Absolutely, because so oftentimes I would go out to schools assemblies and talk to people and they're like, you're a cheerleader. Aren't you too dark to be a cheerleader? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's a real thing with our people. So I wear it as a badge of honor to have this Melani of skin. And even my daughter, I'm like, she goes to school with a pretty predominantly white school, and I'm always like her, you are so beautiful. It's your skin for me, you know. Yeah, I love all races, all colors, but you have beautiful, beautiful chocolate skin. A lot of times society did not project the darker girl to be the sexy girl, and even in film and television, you had to be the waitress or the help or you

didn't have the love interest roles. It wasn't until artists like Teka Sumter came up where it was like, ooh, look at this beautiful ass girl.

God.

You know, she paid the way and opened the door for women like me that look like me to be deemed sexy and desirable. And I appreciate that. So when I'm out and about and I'm working and I'm hosting and I wear it, probably do you think colorism absolutely laser role in how some of the fans treat you.

Because when I look at Kenyamore, right, Kenyamore is the first darks Atlanta housewife. Now, granted, Kenya Moore, maybe that's my sister. Because a lot of things, it's great television, shad you. Me and her are are friends in real life, and I always say to her is and I say this with kindness because I don't think the word villain is a bad thing.

As blakes and reality television, I think there's roads for that.

Keny Moore will go down in history as the best villain to have ever stepped foot on reality television, especially the Housewives franchise. But when I look at Kenya Moore, I'm arosa, right, dark skin black women who have been called the angry black woman. You are the dark skinned woman a part of this cast. Do you think that some of the reception you receive is colorism from the audience?

Absolutely? I've said some of the same things that some of my other casts, means have said and have gotten a harsh treatment for it. I don't know what else to explain, I mean, I don't I don't want to say that's a I'm marry focused. So that's the only reason. I do think that they have their favorites, right, I mean, you have OG's on this show. People have been following some of these ladies for a decade, Like, who do you think you are coming in here trying to shake stuff?

Up or you know, sit back, earn your spot. You're no thing. You're nobody like be quiet, but no, I'm not going to like. I actually have a voice and an opinion and a heart, and oftentimes when I'm in these situations, I'm just regurgitating the same thing that they have said or done. And it's like wow, Like I'm not even the one that said the things about Charles, but I'm still getting the heart treatment from it.

It is interesting because to your point, right, to your point, because I like to be fair and I can watch the show. You do raise a good point in terms of Angela Ma make comments about the state of your marriage, you make comments.

Directed at her and her situation. I do believe all is fair in love and war.

Like you can't tell somebody how to react when something's being thrown at them. I strongly believe just because you hit me, you can't tell me how to respond to the hit.

Right.

However, the audience aren't on your side when it comes to a lot of things. Do you what accountability does Shemiah take when it comes to the feedback that the audience has about you.

People think you are fake, they think you are phony.

They just think they think you're jealous of your best friend ex best friend on another state.

But you know, they people people. There's a lot of people don't like you.

What accountability as you as you reflect on your presence this season, that you can say, you know what, if I could do this better, or if I could have done that beat her?

I would have and I owe it to the audience to explain myself.

I probably would have recorded every off camera conversation. Absolutely. I think when you go to a dinner with the ops and they are oh, it was Drew and Angela last year, that's where it all kind of started. Like we were in the studio earlier on had a scene at the studio when she said you a paper, Pular's college, all that crap. I was defending Porsche right then. Just after that, they were like you wanna go. You'm like, yeah, let's go eat. It's go right up Street to man went to eat, and that's when I allegedly Pinky sweared and talked shit about Porsche. Now, make it make sense if on camera I'm defending her and giving you the business, but then right after off camera I'm talking shit about her,

and the only receipts you had to say that to prove that I talked about her were things that were already brought up on the show and online. You could have googled that. That is what I take accountability for. I shouldn't have even went to the damn dinner, or I should have had somebody on my side that could say it actly what happened or how it happened. But these same two people even okay, let's just say fine, we move on, right, because I did a whole apology on YouTube. We moved for that. I know, I said, and I know because you know what, cause I'm a lover, right, if I could bury the hatch you with anybody, I'm gonna try and do that. Right.

Yes, it's gonna next time, do it without a camera book on YouTube.

You you know what, the actually won't being next time because there's absolutely nothing I feel sorry about.

Do you have any regrets so far? No?

Not this season. Last season I had regrets because I got called a lap dog right with lipstick. Well that's this season. You know, it's spilled on over to this season. But so I moved up. I'm not only lap dog now I got lipstick, which is.

Got an upgrade, is it Bobby Brown or is it FENTI?

Oh, vent okay, I'm a venty girl. Hey, Rihanna watching the show. I love her. I take full account of right. If everything I said and did, there are some things that would be on my control, and a narrative was created that I am, for whatever reason, talking shit about Porchra. The very first time we did a scene in this room, it was me Angela Breedy. This was after the whole drama with you know, written king you were going at and I do want to speak to that, but I do want to speak to the fact that in that same sitting these girls were asking me questions about my friendship with Porsche. It's always asking me questions like, so, what's going on? She did she even come to your wedding? Irish?

You know?

And of course I'm like no, But we move past it. I mean, you don't think that's kind of messed up. You don't think that's one side of you know, they're always picking, picking, picking, even this season when you watch it, I'm like, I'm not here to talk about Porsche. I'm not here to talk about Porsche. I'm not here to talk about Porsche. I don't want to talk about Porsche. No, thank you. No, I'm like, what is happening? We ain't even talking no more, and y'all still want to talk about it.

This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. How old were you when you met Porscha?

Well, I think I was like middle school, maybe like sixth grade. I think she was like, oh maybe, yeah, like sixth grade.

Do you remember the first time you met her?

We were friends for our moms.

So moms were best friends. Were just friends.

I don't want to speak on them, but they were friends.

They were friends and by default, you know, yeah, we too became.

Friends, not just me and her, it's my sisters and you know, we were We would take family trips and it was a thing. So you two grew up holy friends.

What was the dynamic between you and Portsie as young black girls? Indicator?

We were cool. We weren't hanging tight in high school like she had her crew, I had my crew. Like we were cool and like when the families were hanging together, we would be together. Then I I was missed Southwest my senior year, graduated, went to college and did all the things, and we didn't really have contact, Like we weren't.

She was off doing her thing. I was off doing my thing.

Okay.

We didn't really reconnect until I want to say, like right before she married Cordell. And when you say reconnected, like and started hanging out again like hang tight, you know, like hang tight.

So okay, So the thing is that, and I'm glad we're talking about this because I think we all have this perception that you two were like Beyonce and Kelly.

Oh no, no, that y'all were cool.

But no, no, no, Kelly, they grew up together, sister.

You know, Kelly had a room in the house, Beyonce's house, and we the audience really thinks y'all were like the best of friends since y'all were like teenagers.

No, no, no, no, no, no, we were cool.

Y'all were cool as.

Young family friends.

Yeah, okay.

And then it wasn't until her divorce from Cordell that we became like best friends. Why that moment just because we were I mean, I know, I guess we were around each other more. I don't know. I mean, I can't really pinpoint why. I just remember us being extremely close then, cause before we were cool, I think she even might have hung out with my sister g Linda Moore.

Back in the day, I was kind of lame. I mean, like, you know, it was kind of corny, like I was some I wonna say I'm still corny, but no, I was, you know, I I I played with dolls probably for too long, and I just wasn't really out like that. I was the dancer in college and just very focused, and you know, my sister would hang out a little bit more than me at that time. And so when I graduated college and started like just you graduate of college psychology, sociology, you have a degree in psychology and sociology to Georgia State and that was my second attempt.

My first attempt, I was at Morris Brown College and I studied communications because I just I knew I wanted to be like a news anchor, have my own talk show or something. One day and we lost our creditation, so I pretty much had to start over at Georgia State. And that's when I switched my major. So that I was at Morris Brown, I was minor. And it's like that's impressive. I don't let people know that I had a degree in psychology. Yeah, and did you not want to press as a matter of fact, Well, that's not up here. I can't be a spoiler alert. But there's somebody gets going to come up soon where I kind of would go into their office buildings and do like mental health check ins and like team building and bunding

with their staff.

You're a black girl with a psychology degree, yes, And did you ever have any like work after college in that field?

No?

Because in college I danced in the movie drum Line, and I saw how good that check was as a featured extra. I was like, oh, I want to act.

How much was it? It was so?

I mean back I paid for college. I never had to get a student loan.

It was like five fingers. It was good.

Yes, m hm, that movie grows so much it did. I mean, so that's when you caught the and I was like, well, I was always singing, you know. I was in a lot of music groups, so I always had a touch of the spotlight with that. I was signed to Universal Records coming out of high school. So like when people are like, oh, she want to be famous, I'm like, this was prior to social media actually, And.

You know, take a sums with my good friends and when I interviewed her and in our personal conversations, she said, how you were like her understudy, And she said, Tika had nothing but the nicest things.

To say about the sweetest person in the world. Yeah, just not just a beautiful stereo, but her. She's just so good, you know.

Yeah, No, so she she she.

Wanted me to know that girl she calls me girls girls to me, has been that girl like she She has always said that.

So You've always had desires to be in the spotlight.

We did hear recently from Carrie Hillson that you were in a girl group with Carrie Hillson and Portia.

Well, she wasn't in the group. We both auditioned to be in the group, and I didn't even know that she had auditioned. Honestly, what it's crazy is I didn't even know she auditioned to be in that group. This is what during the time that we were both doing our own thing, and it wasn't like, uh, they had everybody at the audition at the same time. Like I came in, did my thing and left, and I guess she came in there her thing. It wasn't until I saw the interview that I knew that she had even auditioned to be in the group. But it's a roup called pretty Tony. I mean, Carrie was right spot on for all of it. It was Anthony Dent's group. It was really good. Yeah, there's a lot of those kind of stories there. If you ever want to know who

I am, if you really want to give me a fair chance and know me, all you have to do is look around. I mean, ask anybody in Atlanta, like, this is my city, this is my home. I've always done my thing here.

Well, that's the reason why I wanted to say, just why stay so long?

Stayed away from getting a peach for so long? I was offered a peach back in the day. I'm sure you're well aware.

Well let's talk about that, okay. So before we get I want to I do want to get into that. So, but I do want to go back to.

You and Portsche reconnected as she was going through her divorce with Cordell, you too.

I went to her wedding. I went to her most of her bridle shower, and we you know, it was like keep giving a touch then, you know, hanging out a little here and there, But we didn't get like really close until she went through her divorce.

With her divorce and at that time, you gots with like best friends at this point, so you guys, technically technically speaking, y'all been best friend for about ten years. Right, Okay, she's a housewife. Prior to Portia having a peach, did you have dreams of being a housewife?

No?

Why not.

I didn't even really understand it like that. I just wanted to be a singer, dancer.

And actress.

That's that's always been my passion and it's still my passion.

When were you officially offered a peach?

So back in the day, Back then, I was eighty my husband and we had just gotten engaged and they were auditioning a girl named Kiera. She was married to Harry. She is married to Harry Douglas from the Falcons.

Yes, so that was I left.

I left after season nine, so I think that I've been around season ten or eleven.

Okay. Gerald came with us to uh tape with Kiara and Harry, and that was like our first time even testing on camera and being on camera, and in that conversation, I was just kind of like, I don't I can't do this. This is Porsche's thing.

Did Porsha know you test them with the other couple, Yeah, she came, she was there.

Portia was actually there. Did Porscha know that you were testing to be a housewife?

Yes, okay, When did you let portion know that you wanted to be a housewife.

Or some girlfriendship?

Like, hey, it wasn't a conversation about it. Actually, it was like, hey, you know, I'm coming to the scene with Kiera or whatever. And she's like, okay, cool, cool, Cool, you're gonna do it. You think you're gonna do it? And I'm like, y'all kind of want to. And then it was kind of like, well, I don't want it to ruin our friendship. And I was like, okay, I don't think it would. When this y'all gets messy, I don't want to. And I even have a text receipt for that conversation. We could fall out or something about something that nature. I don't want to verbate them say quote unquote what it was. But and I was just like, hey, you know, I would hope it wouldn't, you know, Like, but ultimately I was like I respect that she was

like this kind of like my thing, and I was like you absolutely, and this is this is my thing. You know, you got the hawk stuff, you got all you act, you say, you do all this stuff, like this is like my thing. And I was like, and ultimately she like she praised it, like I don't want anything to like jeopardize our friendship. And I thought it was really sweet, and I was like, you know what, You're right, I agree, I don't really need it like that.

I mean, my husband's successful, we're just getting started. Like it's fine. They even feelt my Bridle shower and at that point there was more pool back from Portie. We argued at my Bridle Shower. If you watch it, you can see, I mean, it's a whole thing.

Did argue.

Well, for one, we were all arguable a couple of things. We're arguing about why she couldn't come to the wedding her can do at the time, and I was like, I'm heard by it. I'm disappointed. Yeah, and then it kind of went hell.

Watched went to hell.

Well, the relationship became trained, and I watched her sit with Charie and Phedra and make those allegations and accusations on me.

You were having sex with Candy and top.

Absolutely that was very hurtful to witness for at that point we had I didn't have any beef with her.

And I thought we were cool.

I just want to ask you this because I don't want to later for the record, did you ever have any thing?

Okay?

I want to, like, I can be friends with people like everybody don't. And it's funny enough because in our friendship it was. And I'm like you, you gotta try this, you gotta like whoa I try so, I mean just just as friends, just like you've never been with a girl.

Oh my god.

But I got married young and got divorced and then I just I dated. I never had the desire. I never hell, I didn't even realize people were hitting on me until later on.

You've never been with a woman, never been with a woman.

I have kissed the girl, but I've never been with a woman.

You kissed Candy in the club?

No, I did not kiss Candy.

That's not true.

That is not true. And you can ask Candy did I kiss her in the club?

You can go her.

That did not happen. So when it got yelled out last season on the reunion, I was like, just like how your mouth leaves I was like, wait, what I kissed Candy club? You kiss Candy the club? I'm like, no, I didn't. I wasn't the only one there that. No, you didn't about to ask Candy. You ask Toya. She was there that night. We're all there. If I did, I would say it like it's no, there's nothing wrong with it. If I did, hell, because I wasn't married.

It wasn't though you know I wouldn't.

It was.

It's whatever, Like it's not even that, it's not even a mountain like that.

Because I want to I want to get everything out. In the words of Marlowhampton, Shouldia, are you a lesbian?

No?

Okay, not yet.

Okay, but you know you never say never. But no, I'm not a lesbian. I don't have a desire to be with a woman. I am. I'm gonna happily, I'm gonna happy marriage like I'm okay. So I watched even Lesbian Born.

What I do too?

And the funny thing is like I'm living in a proparade damn there every year with the Hawks, like we.

Do Pride Night, like I.

Like sexist it is okay, Like why are we putting such a thing on even on this show, we put so much emphasis on vaginas and who you're screwing? Okay, was it good? Did you have funs?

Everybody truly believes this that the destruction of your friendship with Porsche? Was that very moment when Phaedra said, you know Shumia Fox and Boat, she's doing both and she did that and then and Charay was like, is that true? And Porsche? Now, Porscha did say they're very close. But but because I want to I want to be clear, because I want to understand, I want to understand for you, because nobody has ever ask you this right, and I want to make sure that we have all the contexts.

Phaedri made the right. Charay said, shut the fuck up out of here. Porscha' is that truth?

Porch said, she's very close to the both of them. Was it that moment that you felt? What watching that hurt?

Are you serious? My best friend is co signing bullshit?

Did you call her the mom you saw that?

Let me back up, did Candy, because the girls get the episode a few days before it airs, did Candy call you to tell.

You what happened before you have to watch them live television?

I don't think so okay, I can't remember.

Actually, so you watched them moment and you felt what.

Actually hadn't watched I saw it on social media and I was like and then I went and watched it, and I was like, oh my gosh, like what because at this point I'm engaged. I could have you could have messed up my whole thing, like what putting some shit out there like that like that that was reckless and that wasn't really friend, Like I don't ever think I would. No one has me on camera throwing her under the bus, like I know y'all think it happens off camera, but at some point I would have shown it at some point and you all you only see me defending Porsche and so much Soultory I called a lapdog all last season? Did you fight was my fight?

Did Dan with Drew?

I'm like, on all, Drew ass? I mean it was so you know, I've always been a try to be a loyal friend to Borshche, so of course that ship was hurt for did you call her you saw it? Yes? I was like, what the reason was? I was told, well, we didn't know we were being filmed. That don't make it better. So that means you talking about me off camera.

You were cool with it because you didn't know you were being filmed. You didn't know it was gonna play, so of course that was hurtful.

Well, let me ask you this, because in that same season, right, Candy and Porsche had the whole thing about being lesbian. Candy invited U, Charae, Cynthia and Kenya to her home and then that's when Candy said that Portia kissed her and said I want to eat, and then there's a shot of you sipping and you didn't say anything.

So there are people who would say that is just as bad. What do you have to say to about that?

Well, at that point I had already been thrown under the bus for being the one that was kissing on Candy. But it aired in the same season, so it doesn't matter. It happened first, so it's almost like you hit me and then I hit you back. You got your lick, then I got my lick back.

Right. But that's why I wanted to ask you. Were you giving her heads up that she was gonna do that that that moment happened.

No, okay no, and I didn't get her heads up that Candy was gonna actually say that, and you see me sipping because I didn't want to add to it, like yes, she close to both of them. Oh yeah, she like, you know, I didn't do none of that. I just was like, SIPs. But I wasn't gonna defend it either, because you just threw me under the bus.

But you didn't know that by the time I was shot.

What I'm saying is I watched it, I aired it. Candy absolutely was like, you know they saying that shit. I'm like, you know that shit ain't true, Like yeah, but don't worry about it. You know what's true, got it? So you thought that that was your But she didn't know that they had said that, you know what I mean, Well, she may have known, but I didn't know that she knew.

So I'm like, oh, wow, this is what we're doing.

So you and Porsa's friendship was never the same after that moment.

I thought it was. I thought we were able to bounce back from it.

Did you feel that way?

I thought it was. I thought we really had a clean slate and we were forgiving and we moved forward.

Honestly, So that was season nine. You were at the reunion, we know what happened there.

You became an official peech shoulder season sixteen, which is six seasons after you had your initial kind of audition season ten with the athlete and his wife. When you were auditioning season sixteen, did you tell Porsche you were you did, and did she have the same reaction?

She was just like, how are you going to do it? I know Gerald doesn't want to be on camera, and I was like, yeah, I mean, but he's okay with me doing it. He said he'll support and she was like, oh, that was it. But I didn't know I was gonna be able to do it because the day that they came to test shoot me, we had a plan to do it, and I look out the window and he's hauling ass out the driveway. He was out of here.

I was like, uh so, my hustin just left. He's got kodfeed he does not want to do it, and they're like what, Oh my god. By then, I guess they were already here. They're like, well, we're gonna have to just we'll just tape it without him. So they taped it with me, my parents, my kids, nephews, sisters.

You know, there's people watching the show, and I'm going to bury hot it for you.

I do.

I am concerned about this, you know about what as your friend. There are people who believe that Gerald doesn't want you to do this. And when you say that this is your big moment of auditioning to be a peach holder's something at this point you wanted for a couple of years, and he leaves could.

Have jeopardized your position. Were you heartbroken? Did you cry?

Of course? I was sad about it, But he also explained, like, I'm I get camera shot, I'm very nervous on camera. I don't It's not I'm not comfortable with it. And I respect that too. You know, I love my husband. I don't want to make him uncomfortable. But also I'm like what I mean there are times, even in my first season, I was like, I should just walk away from this, Like I already knew it was her thing. Anyway, I'm I'm cool. He was like, no, why are you trying to leave you?

Even now?

Hell, it's hard. This is very hard, you know, having your life under such scrutiny and under a microscope. It's a lot. You know, people didn't know of my wealth or anything prior to this hell, I was still getting free meals from ocs, like yallo, I enjoyed that kind of stuff like I didn't. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with just being back. You know. I'm still gonna have a big personality, but I'm okay to be the friend, you know. And I didn't mind, you know. But it was like, Okay, we're still going to move forward with this.

And my husband was very much supportive of it. He's like, yeah, you do what the kids do it, whatever y'all need to make this happen. I want you to do it. I'll try and pop in here and there, but I don't really want to do this because his real life and his jobs, his companies, this is not glamorous for him.

When Gerald saw the moment that.

Porsche made the comment about you kissing King in the club because I rewatched the reunion because I watched the show and I am a journalist and I wanted to make sure that they did my research. So when you say how you and Portia had this nasty text exchange posted reunion, I went and watched all three parts again because I wanted to understand what was going on, and then what we saw in this past episode. You told Cynthia, based on the reunion and how she tech my marriage, I don't feel comfortable having her in my house. I then have to put myself in Gerrold's position as I rewatched the reunion, and the only thing I could come up with was, I wonder if Gerald saw that comment about you kissing allegedly kissing came in the club, if

that was the moment that he was upset, and was that part of the taxis change between your and portche Yeah, it.

Was a part of it. After the fact, I was like, you know, I can't believe that you said that, and she was like, you did it? You kids, can't I kiss in it?

I was like, so that was about that pretty much, and you felt.

I mean, I don't want to go into detail, but I want.

You to either, because that's your friendship. But because the thing is this, I think, I think what you're struggling with this season is context, right.

Right, And I just want to want and you know why I struggled last season context and you know why I was always trying to salvage or it was like I was on egg shows, like I don't want to say too much right, because we could possibly salvage the friendship. I don't want to do too much because I don't want to hurt her. I don't want her. I don't want to be her. I don't want to you know, is.

This too much?

Is it? Because I as a friend on the show, I don't have to say nothing. I'm just gonna align with her, like whatever she feel, I feel, whatever, how she's rocking, I'm rocking, well, she's like I like. And it was hard stepping out of that because I'm like, this is still my friend. I'm still loyal, Like, I don't want to You're not finna go against my friend.

I could talk to her and about her and off camera, just like the whole Angel thing. I don't have to scold or chestise this grown ass woman in front of y'all and definitely not on camera. This is my friend. I'm gonna talk to her behind closed doors. Girl, I ain't like you said that or you know that one cool I didn't like that she didn't know my music.

That hurt my feelings. We talked about it, move on, But then on camera it's like, oh, you're scared of her, You're a lap dog. You can't address her now. I don't have to address her in front of y'all. I don't owe y'all anything.

The same way Doctor Heavenly feels about my husband. I'm not gonna go after my husband, but take entertainment. You feel like we're now, I get it, okay.

You look like, oh, she's scared, she's she's hiding something thing, she's you know, And I'm like, that's not that y'all have are so far off, Like this was my friend in real life. I don't owe it to anybody to tell them what I'm talking to my friend about how I handled this situation. I just know it was handled, so that context that you said is missing. I absolutely agree with you and that reunion. I was still walking the eggshells because I was like, what do I say?

This is?

How do I you know? And a lot of times when I would try to communicate, I'm not good with shouting over people. I'll shut down even in the argument. If we have a disagreement right here, right now. As soon as I try to talk to you and you cut me off, if you yell over me, and as soon as Andy says quiet, I'm quiet, and then that person can come back and say what they say. But I'm still like, what the fuck happened?

Why?

So when you came back this season, you came back with you in poor from a bad place because of the text. Yeah, and when she embodied you to her home in the premiere, did you feel like that was genuine.

Or for the cameras that was definitely her camera. She didn't want me in her home. We weren't even talking to each other. We had a nasty tax exchange. And the only reason why I went was because it was an All Gas very first and you know how that goes. You can't miss the first all cast, So I got there.

Hella aid, did Gerald not come because that is Simon's home? And he felt like, that's my boy and I don't want to be in his house.

I don't think that. It's more like that's my boy, because Dennis is really still his boy. But that's more so one I don't want to be on these cameras, and two I'm crying to him about what happened. Why is he about to come and support me in this situation that could possibly be toxic. I didn't know how she was going to receive me when I got there.

I didn't know what I was walking into. That's all I walk in. I'm like, she really just for a hug. I'm like, oh, okay, you know, it was just very it was awkward. I felt fake in that moment, actually, like damn, Like okay, I guess we're not. But then when we sat and had to talk, everybody was talking, and I think Kelly brought up what's going on with y'all or something. She even kind of defended me. She was like, well, me and Shman's relationship is off limits.

Y'all don't need to be talking about her. Something that sent and it was like, that's like my sister. And I was like, oh, I'm like your sister. Still. I was shocked.

During the filming of the season, we're on episode eleven, y'all haven't said two words with each other?

Was that was that happening in real life too?

Like you guys, Yeah, you guys were not talking at all, and we know how this happens, Like if you have an event, we just send it in the group. So it was like season seventeen, here here's the invitation to the thing.

So when y'all would be around each other, y'll would y'all just be like, hey, this is your second season.

How awkward was that for you?

Awkward because we used to have a time, you know, But it actually I was cool. I felt a lot better than last year, you know, just walking I didn't feel like I needed to walk in the next shells, to be honest, I felt like, it's what it is. She over there, I'm over here. I'm happy. I'm finding and meeting people that I can actually possibly get to know and maybe even want to have a real friendship with.

I was happy to have Kay and Pinky come aboard. I was like, Okay, they're cool because I already knew, like, okay, well, Fader is Pors your friend, Cynthia Pors your friend, like these are all her friends. And I was definitely not in a good place with Drew and Angela. They I mean, it was cool. I didn't have no beef with them, but I already knew how they were coming.

We saw a snippet in the mid season trailer where y'all mothers were brought up into the conversation without giving too much away, because you know what made you feel like it it's necessary for you to bring up y'all mother's issue.

I wasn't the first one to bring up our moms, did I was not she brought up our parents last year.

When you saw Miss Diane say you gotta be careful.

With the dog, and yet here I am being called her lapt dog. But I should feel for Miss Diane to say, take here's her fault. What I've never I've had nothing but respect for Miss Diane. Like I just didn't even understand what I was coming from because all I see on these cameras is me defending your daughter.

So I didn't understand, like wait what watching it, I was like, wow, this is really how these people feel about me. And it was herful for sure.

Were you and Miss Diane close?

I mean I loved her daughter, you know what I mean? She was around of course, you know I have respect for her like and that's when I her caught her on Diane. We weren't close, like I wouldn't call on her phone and chexting her, but like I was close her daughter.

When you.

Saw that moment, is that the reason why this season you felt the need to bring up the mothers?

No?

Last season it was right at my birthday actually in May, she posted that my mom did something egregious to her mom out of the blue, and we agreed that we weren't bringing our moms into it what their friendship were lack thereof. Whatever they had however they disbanded, had nothing to do with us, and we were going to keep that and we made a pact that we were not going to ever let that affect our friendship. But yet here I am looking online at this and I'm like, well, what warranted that? Out of the blue, Like my mom did something agreedious to your mom and then she gave contact to it, like oh my mom bought her mom's daycares or whatever, and that was behind her mom's back and all that, And I'm like, are we really doing this?

Because I thought family business was going to stay over here. I thought we weren't going to air all of it that out. So is that what we're doing?

So because of that, you felt the need to defend your mother.

Abso freaking Lily, and I'll do it all over again.

Okay, there's people who believe you wanted Portia's life. Do you think that it's the opposite and that portion one of your life?

No, I would hate to say that, Like I I'm I'm happy for the life that God has blessed me with. I don't want nobody else life with my own. I've been able to make great relationships in NBA, NFL, not from land on my back, but just from working hard. I've been able to meet amazing people in the music industry, in the film and television industry, and I wouldn't have had all of that if I hadn't. I mean, I've been able to be in rooms that a lot of people you know, don't have access to because of my longevity in this industry outside of reality TV, and I wouldn't trade any of that. I got an amazing husband who loves me and still shows up for me, even though he don't want to be on TV.

Does he want you to be on TV?

You should ask him?

But yeah, does he's I mean even today hearing that.

Matter of fact, last night, I crowd about something and relating to the show, yeah, well yes, okay, yes I can't talk about it, but yeah okay. And I was like, this is just a lot. I was like, I'm drowning. I'm so misunderstood, Like I was just really emotional, and I was like, I don't know, maybe this isn't for me, and he said nothing great comes without risk, like you have to have. There's gonna be hurting everything in life, right, there's gonna be a rejection. Everyone's not gonna like you.

But you can't let these people run you away. See it through. My husband is the person that, contrary to what other people believe, they think he's like, don't want me to hold pull him back from me. He's like, no, do it. I want you to do it. And he was super excited at last week's episode of a show in Kenya, right, and he was like, that was amazing.

Like all of my family friends, everyone's talking about it. That is so beautiful, babe. I'm so happy that Kenya was represented in such a great way. There's pros and cons to all of it, right, but I'm happy. Like in my personal life, I wish that my housewife life I was more understood and given the same grace that a lot of my other castmates are given. I feel like with me there's a double standard. And no, I don't think I'm a victim, right, I know I've done things right, I've said things, but I feel like there are double standards in this frame group. I mean. I just heard Cynthia on a podcast the other day on her podcast and they were going back and forth about the the body shaming and the the name calling. Is

what she said. And She's like, I'm a big fo'm I'm a part of big community and all things. And I'm like, Cynthia, I've never had smoke with you. So now you're align yourself and attack and now I'm attacking you too.

And this is OK, and this is this is what I'll say. I actually now I'm gonna be honest with you. I actually agree with you.

As somebody who's done the show. Season one, episode one, there's always been body shamed me. They talked about Kenya's booty, They said you got a bad but job. They talked about Charade having baseball legs. Right, you could use some bleaching, you know. This show has always been about body shaming. So I will I will say this. I do think you get a bad rap for doing the playbook that is Housewives.

Well, and furthermore, if I don't say anything, I'm scared. I'm an left dog. Why is she there? She's a better office friend. If I say something, she's doing too much. She's performative, she's so cringing, she's over the top. Why is she doing the most? What do you want me to do? You just want me to lay down and take it.

I'm not doing that, no more, no no, And and listen, as somebody who knows you, I don't want that for you either. I will say this, I think when it comes to your presence on this show, listen, your busybody right, and that's not a bad thing.

And when I say busybody, you over here? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Because because now.

That I'm having context, I feel like, now I get you're trying to find your community, right, because you are right, Porsche, Cynthia and Phaedra all over here.

And that's and that's hell.

Drew and Cynthia are wear and go naked hair this season. That's a check. Well they mean like the bundle, Well great, they're getting hair. There's some parts to it, like I ain't got no here to get y'all. I mean, I'm just saying, but you're.

Saying, because they're ambassadors, they got to be loyal to the boss.

Possibly right, Okay, Because what I don't understand is how everyone is so able like are It's so forgiving and able to move past to me bigger things. Hell, sit there and Porsche the hell out of Porsche on that boat? Well, Hi, can we talk about it? The double standards? Okay? That? Oh shit? You know, I'm like, oh my god. And then with Drew we're sitting right down on these couches and she tore into Drew right.

Yes.

Even when we played back on they said you asked Drew, you said, are you fing Dennis? I'm like, I never said that a reunion. It was plate. I said, are you dating Dennis? Are you and Dennis a thing? No one said, Oh, I'm sorry, she mean you were right. I thought you said they were just like quiet. In this past episode, when Angela's sitting there and she talked, goes on this rent about Falcons and Hawks players, there's a whole go away because I don't want to. Then then you come back, and then it's still going on, and it's like all this cour pin drop. No one's saying anything. Well, when is somebody gonna step up and be like, hey girl, don't maybe that's too far. Do you have proof? It wasn't until she did her confessional

where the producer said, do you have any proof of that. Who who is a Why would you say that? Well, I believe it. Somebody tolt me, so that's not that's okay to say. But me calling her bigfoot or sasquatch is not okay to say.

I thought it was fine. And listen, I think just last.

Year I talked about her nose and she caught me flavor flav. Come on, y'all, I agree you.

You will never get an argument for me about that.

At the dinner with Drew and Kay when the ant we've seen the anthem walking on. I sat was trying to talk to Drew. I filmed Drew singing the anthem. I was their supporter. I tuched Drew before even going saying I'm excited, Okay, anthem can't wait showed up. I was like, you killed that. I was just like free.

It was a go girl, you know, all the things. And by her to dinner after thinking, okay, maybe we're moving on, maybe we're moving past it. Her and k beef is not me and me and Drew's beef. So I'm like, okay, She's like, I'm not talking about black. The whole black thing comes up. I'm like, well, she said, you bring black a lot. You brought up black. I did not out there. You go being K, but she has a lap dog. I'm like, okay, so of course then I'm like, all right, well, you know what, here we go again. You're doing the same thing for last year's name calling lapdog stuff. I'm like, all right, I'm out here, so I leave. I didn't plan on leaving with K. I was trying to make the stuff go away because I'm holding K's back, like hold on, let's talk,

like I can't I can't win.

How important is it for Gerald to have a son?

I think that initially it was important for all of us, right, for everybody like me and my husband, even shy Wanner brother. Well, we started our family, we wanted two boys, two girls. We were very curious about it. We had a lot of relations trying to get it done. And our breastfed Furler for a very long time. So when you breastfeed exclusively, you don't get a metro cycle. So for those first two years of shy as life, it just wasn't happening because I wasn't even men trained. So it prompted us one for me to stop breastfeeding, get my body back right, then after it didn't happen, I'm like, something's oh, what's wrong.

Once the doctor it was unexplained, nothing's wrong, just keep trying. But now I'm like, I'm getting older, so I start doing eg retrievals to try and get embryos to save them. Justicains, I'm getting older. We got tons of embryo. We did seven rounds. I had two sons transferred into me, neither one of them took. We had a son transferred into Shadina before Shiloh, it didn't take. Then we transferred Shiloh because we were like, well we down to like three embryos now three male embryos. Now we don't want a chance, so let's make sure Shadina can actually do this. And we were going to have the girl with Shadina and then do another boy after that if Shadina was able to carry Shiloh, which she did, but then she got

breast cancer and all the things happened and Shiloh was sick and all the things. But then after that we got another sarrogate transferred to boy and to her did not take. At that time, I got pregnant also, naturally, when this was two years ago, now and I ended up having a neck topic pregnancy and my left fillopian tube ruptured and I was bleeding. God internally, I was literally dying.

How many weeks from months were you?

I was right at twelve weeks?

Was it a boy?

I don't know. I mean, you know, I didn't even know I was pregnant for like the first two I'm sorry, Yeah, so I didn't make it past the first time I miss her. I was like two and some change.

Are you afraid Gerald may leave you if you don't give him a sign? No?

And that is ludicrous for people to say that, Like we I mean recently started talking about other options adoption, egg donor No. That's never been a concern.

Of mine, okay, because in the applet and culture, it's extremely important for the man to have a sign.

So that's why I wanted to know.

Yeah, no, okay A And And to be honest, I mean, he's never expressed that he's very very loyal and and we we still have love and and we're still very much in love.

Uh.

I know marriage has its HM highs and lows naturally, like every marriage does. But he's the one consoling me, like I'm beating myself up about it. I put the weight on me because he's so good to me and gives me pretty much everything I want, aside from being on camera to where it's like damn, like I can't get my body to work to do this thing for him.

It's not your father, though, it's not your fault. And you can't blame yourself. You can't blame yourself. You just can't blame yourself. It's not your fault.

And and listen, you have a great man, You have a good man. You have a life Shania that many many, many, many girls would love to have, right when it comes to the birth of a child, that is God ordained ye. And and I don't want you.

To be stressed out because of that.

You're not God.

You're doing everything you're doing.

You are. I feel like it was. I feel like that. That's also a good part of this platform. Right. The reason I really wanted to do this, guys, want because my daughter went through so much. I wanted to bring more awareness to children with disability special needs and show that like, while I have this lifestyle, like health is something that you can't buy, right, And I want in my life and my life to be kind of a testimony to someone else that and maybe in a similar situation that feels hopeless. Because at the time that Charlotte was moorn, I was doing radio with Big Tiger, and I was missing all the work, and I was like, this is a lot, having to take her to speech ot, all these therapies, all these things, all these surgeries. She's

at seventeens, over seventeens or she just at one yesterday, okay. And I was like that person before that was like, I'll just call just get a sitter or just get her. And it's not that easy. And I've got all these resources and and financial you know, means n just means yeah, to just make it all happen. And I was still overwhelmed.

So my heart went out to people that don't even have half of this, don't even have the spouse. So I was like, Wow, this is a reason why I should do this show. That's forward to infertility me l you know, having got that topic pregnancy right before film me. I was like, the more I talk about my versatility journey, because I was doing it on my social media, the more I was getting dms from so many women that felt like me, that felt like I just got to wake my body up. I gotta make it figured out, and I just felt like this platform could also help me bring that type of hope or just let them know it's not about how you create your family. It's just about you being a mom. No one walks up to me at the culture store and says, did you

birth this one from your your womb? Like did she come from your womb where you? Did you have a serio yet? And they just say, oh, beautiful family. So when you ask me, do I have regrets or do I know? Because I came in into this friend group and I got a peach with purpose because I knew what I wanted to show. And yeah, it felt flat, But I'm not giving up hope. I feel like I can still show it and it may not resonate with a lot of the audience. They might not want to see that, right, but it will with some people.

We want to see it and you want to see it.

If I can help just one person, you know that's maybe feeling inadequate or overwhelmed with all the things but still wanting to have a career. I get the nastiest messages from people, sit your ass down, don't you got a special needs daughter, you can still have a life. You can still a dream big with a child with special needs, you can steal or even when I'm like talking trash like bigfoot, Oh don't you don't need to do that. Ain't her daughter special? I'm like, no, okay, yeah, we're getting her all the help that she needs. So it's like you are now told to not be and do and say because.

Of this or that.

It's hard?

It is is it worth it?

But my husband, like you said, don't let these people run you away. You know what you set out to do, you know what you want. And I've been blessed to get a lot of great opportunities. One that's coming up for me that I'm super excited about. I'm about to record an album. Like I wouldn't have had that platform. Hell, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you if I didn't have that peach. I have to count my blessings.

Is it sad when you think about the fact that you finally got the peach and you lost your best friend of the process.

Absolutely. I grieved that relationship for a very long time. A lot of people were like, oh, she's still she missed for us, and she said about what duh. Yeah, I mean, that's like any relationship, it hurts. That was my person, That was my girl. Like if I was mad at Gerald, I was gonna call her and talk shit, you know. I if I was mad at my sister's my mom who But that was my other sister, you know what I mean? Like I just of course, of course it was hurtful. Of course I grieve that friendship.

Even sometimes now I laugh about some of the things we've said or done. When you really love somebody, you don't just discard of them or disposed of them. You don't just forget tomorrow and just be like whatever. Even now, I find myself defending borshit in rooms that she's not in, not because she asked me to, and not because I want to be friends with her again, just because that's like you talking about my sisters or my or guess what I do. I just sit quiet, So whereas before I would be like, I'm gonna talk shit back to you.

I don't mess with a lot of people to this day because she didn't mess with them.

But can you and Porsche ever be friends again?

I'm happy with where we are right now.

I didn't ask you that is there a world?

SAMESSI not real talk because listen, when I interview Porsche, I said to her the one thing that I don't like.

She's like, oh my god, who come Carlos King tell me what he doesn't like? And I said, I don't like that. You too fell out because I was, I was there.

I mean to be honest. When I got the peach, I was so excited because I'm like, oh my god, we can show the world exactly how how fun we are, like we laugh until we cry, like we have had some beautiful moments, trips, turk offs, like it was a fun and it was a fun time, you know what I mean. Like I was like, we can finally showcase that to the world.

If you weren't a housewife, would you imporcee us still be best friends? I don't know.

I don't know. I feel like everything that happens happened is in divine order, and I don't know.

This past episode came Michelle.

Made some comments about a night out with you and your mom and your mom having a breast with her neck child and y'all partying, and came Michelle alleged that you made a comment that I can't be friends with you because my friends don't want me to.

That was actually the opposite. That same night I was coming from. So we left the Anthem thing and I have my all, MYLEF and my receipts. Left the Anthem thing. The car dropped me off at Chestain Park where my mom met me, and I met Candy and her mom and her mom's friends. It was her mom's birthday. They we were watching the Babyface Charlie Wilson concertal Chestin. So just give some contexts on that ride over.

So your mom wasn't not just want to hang out the club?

Come on. And then I also got a time stamp on my photos of when we was with k It was not two am. It was midnight actually, and we were home by two am. I got that on there too. But and then also have what she had on, and you can tell me for yourself what you think she had on. Do you think her titties was hyched up and out or do you think that, Okay, this is the night that is in question.

I don't see no boobs.

She has a white suit that you would on because just in case you want to zoom in it's up to here.

Oh oh, okay, continue.

And I screenshot at the time that he was there was twelve or seven.

And I see it. And did she take off the blaze?

Right?

No, I got I got a hold on. Let me see her at the club. She got this wrong.

Finish. You don't worry because I know I got to have my receipts righty for re union, so I'm already gathering them. Don't worry. Like two fifth the date, I was a cob couple were you you know you're amiss? Okay, let me.

See this office she were said, Okay, it.

Wasn't just let me see okay, okay, m hm, okay, I love kay.

So the video shows came Michelle the same outfit. Should me in the same outfit? And then it shows your mama in the same church blazer she wore to see Charlie Wilson. She did go to the club and rain drops. You know I'm a journalist, Hey, poor a chef. I did not see a brawl a boob. I did see a pear cloth, so okay, okay, so that okay.

Continue my bad okay.

And it wasn't two a m anyway. So fast forward I'm like Jesus, the why I gotta keep dinner. I'm gonna fight for my life, which is makes it hard right to but it makes it hard to hang out with people outside of the show without cameras because you feel like you're always gonna have to try and prove your innocence and I don't. I hate that right because I'm not hanging out with you, Carlos. I just want to hang out with you and get to know you.

There's no ulterior motive that I'm not trying to collect anything. I'm not trying to have any receipts with you. It's just me trying to get to know you. And I like k and I'm excited to get to know her.

Still still Okay, did Candy and Rashiita and Toya Johnson tell you not to hang out with Kim Michelle?

No?

No, but everybody know that the h what the history is with them?

Right.

So when I was head at the chest stage, she was like, where you going? Who you mean? I'm not meaning Kendna, why you invite me sick? So I'm like, well, girl, you know, like now you know damn well like Candy Rashida, she Candy's loyal to a fault. She's not gonna like I never said Candy hate you, she don't like you, but did I never said can't exactly. Now, you know I'm going to meet Candy. You, I mean, come on.

And so when I went there, even with Candy, I was like, Kay wanted to come. She was like, nah, I'm not you know, you know I can't do that. I'm not like her, but I can't for she is my girl.

And that was that.

I didn't even think it was an issue. But then, of course, you know, Kay's thing is like, you know, oh, you keep telling me that your friends don't like me, and they so.

Tell me exactly what you said to Ky Michelle for her to walk away with that.

Stad you heard that, Kay, regardless of whether or not you had beef with any of the people that I'm friends with, I don't care about that. I'm your friend. I want to get to know you for myself. Can't nobody tell me who to be friends with. They can't tell me to be friends with you or not be friends with you. I'm looking to get to know you for myself. I like you. I want to get to know you. That was the conversation and that got turned around to your friends don't want me to be friends with you or whatever, or my friend. My friends don't want me to be friends with her, and they don't even talk about her, Like I don't even talk you know what I mean? Like I don't even see Rashida or Toydum enough to even have that those kind of

conversations with them. And I only seen Candy that night because we were at the concert together.

So with that thing said, since you're saying and you stop me if I got this wrong, Since you're saying that ky Michelle took a conversation that was in a and blew it up to be something that it's not.

Is it Is it safe to say that in Dallas.

When ky Michelle was told that Drew Portsche and Phaedra were going to attack her about these rumors?

Do you still believe ky Michelle?

So here's the thing, right, Everything has perspective, right, So where I say I said, it's the kay k feels like in her heart. I told her that it's heart being her friend and they don't want me to be her friend. And I made her feel bad enough about it to where she cried in the club. All I can do with that. Carlos is say, I'm sorry, Kay, I hate you feel like that. That wasn't my intention.

And if I may, I take it. If I'm ass foke, you know, I'm good for an apology. If I'm misspoke and made you feel like that, I'm sorry again. I just want to get to know you. I don't care if the world hates you. I like you. That was my stance. That's still my stance. And like I told her, if I made you feel bad, I'm sorry.

And I mean it did she cross in the club?

I don't remember, but that's what I'm saying. We didn't even have that. It was like you seen the video. We turn it out at what point was a crime? I mean? But you know what, I don't want to call this girl liar because that's what the other cast is. They're trying to make her look like she's crazy and she's a liar. I want to see it through at reunion.

I want her to tell who the person is that told her they were plotting the schema?

Do you know who the person is?

I have no idea. She didn't tell Kelly and I. She just told us that she felt like there was someone or she told us to people that she felt were plotting against her and what they were applotting.

Do you believe her?

I mean, I don't have a reason to not believe her. Why would she make something like that up? That's so bogus.

Well, some people would argue that because you're saying that she took an innocent conversation and turned it turned it into something else.

She don't think she did that. She thinks that, Okay, I you know, and that's what she feels to be true, and that's what I feel to be true. Do you see what I'm saying? So like, there's the true, there's your side, my side, and then the truth.

One of the things about this season is your friendship with Kelly. I went on record saying that, Look, because you know, there are several queens of Atlanta, I'm one of them.

Okay, yes, agreed.

Yes there's Stacey Abrams, Yes there's Candy, Yes there's Sue low Mocks.

Yes there's Keisha Lance Bottoms.

Come on now, Carlos king Top is definitely one of the queens. Definitely, you know O the girls talk to me, Yeah, I probably at the hawks gagside.

I'm not let them know the feat be what a phoebe?

You giving a sideline candy? Okay, and you see me? And what do I be doing that? A game work?

Not sleeping with nobody? Hello, I saw Angela Charles the Hawks game in the playoffs.

Yeah, we're happy to have her there to support.

Okay, you weren't there because you were out. You out of the country. I think you're the country if I was looking for you.

So anyways, my point is I went on record saying, like rain drops, I know y'all think Kelly and Shamia's friendship is for the show. I said, look, I am here to confirm that that's a real friendship, Like that's they're really friend That is my girl.

Like we literally say it's Takara and Sarah show because now our moms are friends. Now Shia and the twins are like she thinks she's a triplet, Like it's that bad. Like that's my girl. That's the best thing that came out of me getting a peach that friendship. I was like, where do I even who are even? Who wants to get to know me?

Hi?

Cat, I meet Hike, I'm Shmia, you know, can I give you a hug? Like and she welcomed me and she got to know me. She didn't judge, she didn't take whatever anybody was telling her. It was very much I'm gonna get to know you. And even from day one, Like you know how people say, oh, they have a friendship out of alliance, that's not so because if you roll the cameras. Back when I first met Kelly, we were at Knife restaurant. They were coming for Porsche, and I stepped in and was like, absolutely not. You need to get to know Porsche for yourself. All this was on camera and everybody forgot about it. And I went and told my friend what said about it? The shit that you're supposed to do as a friend. I don't

get credit for it, but I damn sure give credit for for Oh she's talking behind her back? Well where who proved it? Do you know what I mean? It's like people are so ready to believe that I'm this disloyal, dishonest friend without seeing what's right in front of them. You've never seen me be shady or do anything to Porsche.

Now lately, absolutely probably do. But that first season I was like, no, she ain't say that, she ain't do this. So much soda word. Like I said, I wasn't even messing with Drew or Angela off the strength of it. No, she didn't tell me I had to do that. That's just how I was rolling, Like, that's my girl. That friendship is not out of an alliance. That girl is very kind to me. She reciprocates the same thing, like I have birth that birthday.

Blot was like, are you telling Kelly thinks about Porsche?

Would do that? Absolutely?

You saw the comments.

I know I see that, and I'm like, I would never do that. As matter of fact, the only time I hear Porsche's name with Kelly is insane. And when they go in toe to toe and I just sit back.

Do you internally sometimes be like that was a good one, bitch.

On both sides. On both sides they be gone at it. You hear me, they read each other from filth. But at the end of the day, I ain't have no dog in that sight. I'm like, Kelly's my girl, portion is my ex girl like.

That when you say that, though, what I'm saying is no, I was gonna be honest.

You know, I know I ain't gotten to do with.

That, you know what I mean?

No, No, you met Jarvis. You posted recently that you had a double date. I was enlarging the photos because I was looking at Jarvis.

I introduced Jarvis in Kelly at a Hawks game.

Was was he sitting courtside? Or then those bleeds side don't come from?

Don't try me.

I just want to know what jarvis situation. So Jarvis makes enough money.

To sit on the wood.

If Jarvis can bly seventy thousand dollars smile, surely he can sit on the wood.

Word on the street that Gazelle Bryant lives on.

Is that? Like?

What word on the street is that Jarvis is in the entertainment industry?

Oh, y'all don't know about none of that.

Okay, word on the street is that Jarvis works in the music industry?

What what you're with? Genuine y'all gotta stop Dennis McKinley, Ell, No, why would I be okay with Dad? No?

No, I can work in the music industry.

What I'm saying is I didn't even like Drew doing that behind Porschebag. I was like sunging her for portion, like you need to tell her you should have got permission. No, why would I do that? I don't want none to do with that messy like that. Okay, absolutely not Okay, okay, friend, no, friend, I ain't got none do with that.

So you hooked up Jarvis and Kelly.

I just introduced them at a hot team.

Okay. Does he have kids? Because I heard he has two.

He's a great guy, a great father. I heard he's very single, though he doesn't ye he's not married.

No, I know he has a baby mama.

Well, I hope you don't have a baby daddy. I don't think.

Why not.

Leave me alone?

I won't say this. I won't say this. I love Kelly.

Yeah, No, is this lovable? She's so small, she's real. Let me tell you something. She is a real girls girl. And that girl works very hard. I mean in her restaurant, Like, come on, she's a mother of four beautiful girls.

Like, do you know how hard it is going through divorce, having a restaurant, then losing one, then having to fight all these legal like battles with your ex. That's a lot. She carries a lot very well and very gracefully like and still shows up for her friends and her family, like I gotta give her her pribs.

No, I think I have a go on record. I've gone a record. I've said Kelly is greatful.

She really is that girl.

She's great for the show. I think she's spunky. What are your thoughts on Pinky call?

Pinky is a walking ted talk. She got a business idea for everybody came in. Oh, look at you. You should come up with a company with rings.

Do you think she's a good add this year?

Yeah, I mean, listen. I was happy to get to know Pinky this year. Pinky is an entrepreneur. That's something I was trying to do. Like, Pinkie can teach me a lot business wise. She's take some, taken some else. But she's also had some very big, big, big big wins, and I think that helps with the group that the group's diamat.

Have you met the woman who lives in the basement?

M m. I haven't even been to Pinky's house.

No, the woman the basement wall that you're in.

I haven't been invited yet, Oh cause she's there. Well, I don't know. Don't know about the woman in the basement. I heard about it the same way you heard about.

It on the show. Or on the show, I think you meant your other queens of Atlanta friend group.

Mm mmm, because you're not got my friends. So but now I ain't heard about it, Okay, I just heard about it on the show. I was like, damn, what are we saying? You know what she did with it, and she made the book out of it, that's lady's a business woman. No, I haven't gotten it yet, but I support I don't know if on Amazon.

I don't know.

I ain't got it yet. I don't think it's out yet.

It's not.

She said it's coming soon. Okay on Substack, let's look at it. Let's see if you can find it right quick. Woman in the basement. Where are you where? I feel like you're being shady?

Stack? Are you?

I'm looking on Amazon? Let me text, well, somebody that are any type of pink Yoe book eat plants? No, nothing that is out. Oh okay, it's not out yet. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna get it. Thro when to come out? Okay, good, you're gonna get it.

Yeah.

I support my girls. Yeah you should absolutely.

Would we know later this season whether or not you got the role in the series with Pinky and ma Tury.

I don't know, you know, I don't have anything to do with the editing.

No, I know, but but do you know whether or not you got the gig?

Yeah?

I was told I got the gig, but yeah, I was teling I got the gig. Oh you haven't shot anything yet?

No? Oh, are you gonna come to set and visit me? Oh oh that was a big hot note you.

What. I would love gonna lie reality with the King interview.

Yeah, you're gonna come up there? Sure you can come? Yeah?

Yeah, I gotta call Lizzy to clear my schedule.

Mmm, you have You are so booked and busy because you are the queen, you know, the top he somewhere that basketball game with your feet on the wood. Who knows?

Yeah?

Or I want to before we I want to get into Juice No, no, I want to get to Juice of Door.

I told you to. Okay, should we? Uh? What?

I like Drew?

I like Drew too. A matter of fact, before I got my piece, Drew was so cool. I was like, oh my god, me and Drew, we could do some music the other we can hang out.

No, no, y'all were both in the TLC movie.

You played she played t ball. Yes, I loved Drew. Y'all are in the rooms apparently I'm not you know that scene that we need at Pinkies thing. You know, a lot of that stuff gets edited down. But she definitely came in the room and was like, I don't do cattlecalls. Like so it cuts like just being a diva and I'm like, I don't want you to read with me. That's not what happened. When she came in the room. She was like, oh, you're here too, and I was like yeah, okay, and then she's like, oh, well, I didn't get the sides, like you want to share sides, and then she sits down and she's like giving it to me. She's like, yeah, no, I mean I don't do cattle calls. I mean I understand why you would be doing it. I mean you're new to this. But

and I'm like, damn, she tore into my ass. Then I asked to read with me. I'm like, uh no, is can I read you?

And I'm like no, I'm like see context context, Well that's why you're a corlos Key for context context.

So the thing is bus and I'm like, then why are you here?

Is shady?

But I appreciate it, take it. I'll but you know what the thing is with you, I'll take it. Call me a lapdop absolutely, because I quit laptop's loyalty, right, I'm a loyal bitch to a fault. I get it, and I want to find one. I found Cally, I need another one, give me some more. At the end of the day, I don't I don't mind that kind of shade. I still sit this day, don't even know why me and Drew or beefing.

Well, that's why about to ask you what happened?

Is it?

You know what it is? When I watched the show, I look at it like it's fun for y'all, you.

Know what I mean.

I don't think it's that even with Angela, because like I like a good old back and forth with her, right, I thought that last season when we were in the Balma store and going back and forth, I was like, ooh, I love this, right, I loved it right even this I was like, oh, yeah, we gonna have a good time.

And then it got dark and I'm like, yeah no, And I get that.

I get that.

I totally get that. That's how it comes to you and Drew. I think it's fun, and I actually it makes me smile.

I love it.

I really find it to be amusing, and I just want you and Drew to be at a good place.

You see her new body, what are your thoughts on it?

She looks good.

Did she go to your person?

So I didn't get a BBL cut trying popular belief. I did get my stomach sucked out in my backfat, but I didn't get anything add it to mine. So all that and it's always been there. If you scroll back on my pictures, be prior to me doing all my IVF and my babies and stuff. My waist is always small, my ass and hips was always there.

I can feel when people are saying that Drill is trying to become Porsche physically.

And when you write you write some of them pictures, I'll be like, I have a look twice because I'm like, Damn, is that Porsche. I'm not even trying to throw shade, but it just looked so much like from the hair to the makeup to the it's like you're morphing into it. Just it's just weird.

Dril wants to be.

I mean, the first thing I thought was, Damn, you were so mad I was on the lap. I guess you wanted to be there. What there you go say is enjoy? It was weird? What's the movie? Single white femail? What was it called? Yeah? Mm hm? Asking me? Am I jealous? Suburb? Or do I want to be her?

I have some rapid fire questions for you, but I don't know what this is.

Okay, So I got some rapid fire questions for you. I love that you love this.

I love think you. I just got to say it. But then I get in trouble a lot of times. But it's okay, I'm not get in trouble anyway.

Let's go who's the biggest gossiper in the group?

Angela?

Which housewife surprised you the most this season?

Damn? In what way? Like good surprise, bad surprise, good surprise and bad surprise. I would say Cynthia surprised me with like I didn't know we was like weaving like that. I was like, damn, I thought we was cool. At least she was gonna be neutral like you were last year. So I was kind of like, okay, but she ain't housewife.

But I mean, if she was still a housewife, I would have been the most surprised by her. From the dirty rooms to the I'm in trouble for named Colin because now she's a part of the big Foot community. To now my agents. When back in the day when we went to Ala Palm for the Basket Rep party, when I first came up with the aunties versus niece's thing that no one wants to talk about that I came up with and it was so cute and fun, and people were walking around, am my niece and my auntie?

Which one am?

I girl?

Now it's oh, Shamia is the agent. She's, you know, trying to split the group up with old versus young and alliances. And I'm like, what what happened to that? I thought was all, yeah, we're all having fun, young, fun, niece energy, you know, not a war. So that would be surprising her. But then I would say, mmm, A good surprise, Kelly. She holding her own absolutely.

What's one thing you do better than anyone else on the show t work.

Wife mothering?

What's the best advice Portche has ever given you?

When we were teenagers, she told me I need to shave, and that's still true to this day. Shave no, no, no, Now I have laser hair removal. But like I was, I told you, I was a.

Little, a little now.

I was young. I was so young, so she was like, you gotta like you know. I was doing my arm pieces though, but like down there, I ain't have enough hair to really be shaving, and she was like, you gotta shave that, and we got to pull it to make sure all the hairs get gone. It's like, oh shit, okay, okay.

So probably that keeping keeping Vagina shaves. I won't nobody seeing it coming sh up, but it made me a great shaver when I.

Needed to be. I kept with you, who's the most different when cameras are down?

Angela? Actually, what's crazy is last even last season when we were filming at the workout spots be dropping it with Drew when she was working out for her body. We were having the worst scene, like she was giving it to my as it's going off, going off. We walked outside and she said, are you mad for real?

My cameras my mic was still all my cameras, are you are you mad for real? I was like yeah, like what and she was like, oh, I thought we were all acting. I thought we were just doing this for the and I was like no, and that's why at the ball Mont even I was like, I'm gonna get your ass. And when the show aired last season, the first few episodes, I was like getting a lot of love. Sis called me, texted me, was like, oh my god, I'm so proud of you. You okay, boss, okay, Big Tama, all the things. Even pulled up on me at the Waldorf story to the hangout and brought a daughter to was swimmings hanging out. Then when that shit switched them, fans hated me. She was like out of here.

So yeah, I would say, Angela for sure.

Have you tried the black smoke?

Cookah, I don't smoke.

Have you seen Ralph recently? M m?

Don't love to see him though. I hope he's doing well well. Was a good guy. I did the podcast with him and Sonya's husband and Todd and all of them. They were doing the house Husbands and something house house hus whatever. I was like the host of it. He was a really nice guy. Final today, Oh, congratulations to them.

I hope they're happy about it.

I mean he gets child support over two thousand dollars a month.

Oh hmm. You looking for me to make a face or get a coming and let me tell you something about this season. I've gotten so good with just looking like like a space ca that.

I just want to know how any thoughts? Oh and he gets to keep the house.

Oh, thank you so much for let me talk to you? Yes see how to Gerald? He liked me it on the show. Thank you out night? Oh see.

Five Early Life?

What's over Earley? Carlos him? Hello, handsome Jerold Jeri. This is Carlo's so good to No no no, no, no no no no no, let me.

Man, I'm going to meet you too.

So Carol.

Come over here. I know her fifteen years. Yes, good wife you have. So when it comes to show me up being a housewife, do you like this job for her? Yeah?

I like this?

You like it? Yeah, there's no problem with it. Okay, you just don't want to be on camera? Yes, you like being behind the scenes making the money? Yes? Yeah, no no, no, no, I get I could get it.

How do you feel though, when people feel like, Okay, Gerald doesn't want Shemiah.

To have a career outside of being his housewife.

I think that's uh, that's not not curious. So so it's not you know, I don't I really think of it that way at all. So I'll support her any way, I can sure that she's successful what she's doing.

And she told us that she told us how you are the one, which was a good surprise, that you are the one encouraging her to stay on the show.

Yeah, why is that?

I mean, you know, you have to fow your passion any life, you know, so you know, we'll see, you know, with this goes. But you know, generally, this is when she feels that she can make the biggest impact in her career.

I'll support her for that.

So that's how I think about it, all.

Right, Joe, My last question, everybody wants a Gerald Milwaukee.

Yeah, okay, you're a good man. Okay, how what advice do you have women who want a.

Man like you?

You are handsome when you met When you met her, you was forty four years old, you had no kids at the time. So what was it about Shaniyah that made you say this one is going to be my wife and the mother of my future children.

I consider myself likely to have met her actually, you know, so you know it's.

You know, she's comes from a good family and she's a very good person or you know, her core her heart and she's very she's actually someone I'm very fortunate to have met.

So so I think it's more of me. You should be asking me how you feel like you feel like you got lucky. Yeah, I'm the one who I'm the lucky person. Yeah, so that's that's how I look at it. I gotta say this. I'm glad we got a chance to do this. You are a good man.

He talks a lot.

He talks a lot, and maybe one day you will introduce me to Jarvist. Don't you like Jarvis? Yeah? Great guy, great guy.

Yeah?

Do you like his kids?

Don't do it?

Don't answer.

Here.

Thanks for coming, Thanks for happening your beautiful home, sir. I appreciate it. Gray, don't give me kick up a house.

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