The Ring Didn't Mean a Thing: RHOA Recap with Dustin, Claudia & Blue

0:03 Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

0:36 All Right, Claudia dusn't in Blue, It's time to get into the latest episode of the Real Housewives of Atlanta.

0:45 Blue.

0:45 You brought up, Shemia, so I want to start with you on this Shamia meets with Cynthia at Lake Bailey because Cimpia wants to really understand what's going on with Shemia, especially her relationship with Portia and why she did not invite Porsche to Gerald's birthday party. Shemiah explains that she did not invite Porsche because of the things that were said and the text message between the two of them after last season's reunion, and she's like, we're just not in a good place. Yes, she invited me to her home, but this is gerald birthday party, and that's why I invited Dennis because Gerald and are cool and obviously Gerald and Porsche aren't. And she even said, look, Noche, if Simon was in the country, he would have been there too.

1:52 Hey, what are your thoughts on that? Shamia justified for the fact that.

1:59 When you when you when you peel back the layers, when you zoom back a bit. It is Gerald's birthday, right, And if you're throwing a party for your for your your husband should be invite guest list be people your husband's cool with instead of who you cool with.

2:21 Yeah, this is a very simple question. Actually, I don't think it's complicated at all. When it comes to my home, I get to decide who the fuck I feel comfortable in my home.

2:27 Hello, that's it to me.

2:30 That's the end of the conversation. Okay, it's not Daddy catch me.

2:34 In a bad day. He might not get in either, Like, I, what.

2:36 Do you mean?

2:37 It's my house? Have you seen my my mc mansion?

2:40 And here's the thing, Porscha not to call every Mazata, but Portion's a non factor in her real life right now, right her real life does not function with Porsche being factored in. So I was a little bit confused by the confusion.

2:53 You and I aren't good. My dude is not good with you.

2:57 My dude is good with your former dude though, so he could come. This all makes sense to me if we think about it being his party, and we also think about the fact of inviting me to a home goods like little dinner party with people on their cell phones as fake dates. It's not the same thing as me having a Kenyon celebration from my bloodline and my man like, that's not the same thing.

3:18 One is intimate.

3:20 Is just the opening speed for the producers. Come on, I'm so sorry.

3:27 I recognize a lot of those items. Okay, I.

3:35 I think some of this stuff came from home.

3:38 I love home.

3:42 I loved.

3:46 Ship from home Goods. So me coming to your little home goods fat, it's not the same thing as a Kenyon coming home celebrations, So to me, I know I can be refer her sometime in this one instance. I'm actually one hundred percent team Shamia. I invited who the hell I wanted to my house?

4:03 All right, Dustin ross.

4:05 One with blue. That Shamia's damn house is sterling. I believe it's the name of that estate and she can invite whoever she wants. The problem is that Shamiyah is ready for war this season, and it's just displaced when it's not appropriate. Prime example, when she went over to Lake Bailey to kick it with Cynthia, Cynthia was being warm, receptive and kind to her. And I know I'm biased when it comes to Cynthia, but this time I'm just being matter of fact. She was warm and receptive to her, and Shamiya was just chomping at the bit almost, I think would be the best way to describe it. But yeah, but Joe, I ain't think, Okay, well you gotta do with you, okay, but I you know, it was like and every time she would gear up to like she

4:48 was just ready to fight, and Cynthia was like, girl, I really fuck with you for real, like what's going on type shit? She's trying to level set with her, And I think that the that's the problem with sh Meia this season. So I'm with Blue. She can invite whoever the hell she want to invite. And the party looked like it was all that, you know what I'm saying, So you know whatever, Porscha missed it. But I think Porscha had an appropriate response whatever, like she don't want me there, I'm not gonna be there, and until she flat out has drama with me, I'm gonna be the bigger person and invite her to my shit.

5:21 So Laudia, Yeah, Gerald barely wants to film, and the fact that he signed the release that day, we got to jump on it and not cause any waves. Okay, you're not bringing anyone to here that he does want, does not one hundred that want to be here because she has to play safe with him. He doesn't want a film. So the fact that he allowed a camera to be there at his party, of course he's not gonna make it. He probably was like, listen, I'll agree, but I want that bullshit in my house. Like if you and your former best friend im gonna be fighting up in the party, I'm not doing it. So that was probably a condition of him, you know, allowing the cameras to kind of be there. So yes, I don't think Shmid was being shaded by doing this. And I

6:00 think Porsche had the proper response, you know, like I think that was, you know, like they're not in a good place right now, and maybe give it some time. You know, when your lifelong friends with someone and you have a couple of years of some stuff being bad, who knows, maybe they can find their way back to each other. And I do think Shmiah is on ten.

6:15 I do, but I do think she's on ten because she's very uncomfortable. She's uncomfortable, like you're on your former best friends show, right that you know she brought you in and this is new territory for right. This feel she's uncomfortable. She's always defending herself. She's always like, yeah, but that's uncomfortable though it's fred it is, but like, I get why you're doing it. We may not like it, but when you're in an uncomfortable place, like that's what people do when they're on defense. She's overly on defense and she's not seeing how she's looking when she's doing it.

6:43 We are now, But yeah, I wish she would torn it down. I wish she would be more unbothered. But she's I think she's such a green reality star that she's like her heart is very much on her sleeve, so she's she's act.

6:57 I say it a little differently. I think this is responding to the comments. That's what I think it is. I don't want to look like a punk on TV. She don't want to look like the way that people. This lab dog shit, I think has really gotten to her head, and I think that she's playing more towards that. So anytime she's in the scene where there's a conversation that can get heated, her determination is not to lose an argument. I think that's what the behavior is reading towards reading ass to me as opposed to her not being comfortable in the space. Because SMI have been on TV since the sixties. She didn't have been a cheerleader for you know what I'm saying. You know, she didn't have been a cheerleader for the Falcons. Her parents have money,

7:40 she's Atlanta Royalty, her husband's attachment she I'm just saying, like since forever. I don't think the attachment to celebrity is new for her, is what I mean by since the sixties. I don't think that she's uncomfortable. I just think right now, yeah.

8:00 No, no, listen to what he said. They're always favored though. She's not just attached to celebrity, she's attached to fan faves. So she's been fan fave adjacent or a fan fave her entire career, since the sixty five right since that bus, so Candy Nimi.

8:15 It's always beloved fan.

8:18 Faves who she's sitting next to, and then she became a fan fave, and now she's on the opposite end. And to Claudia's point, I think her positioning is new to her. She's not new, because she's long in the tooth when it comes to the industry, but I think being on the outside of fan favor is new for her.

8:35 I disagree she has not had experience in a starring role.

8:39 She has, I'm not storrying, but psychic psychic is still seen on the scene.

8:43 She was like an extra, okay, and I like her. She being a cheerleader and all that stuff is cute, but that is in no way, shape or form the same as being a housewife, y'all.

8:55 But you're speaking in the context of housewives, and I think me and Blue are speaking in the more context of her life, like her day to day life, like in Atlanta, the industry. She was funny, she was on the race, she was on the radio every morning. She was a cheerleader for the Falcons, and all this before the Housewives. Also Claudia. You gotta remember she grew up with a bag. She lived in Atlanta, and she was a beautiful girl. She always was attached to popularity and all that shit. So in her life, yeah, although she may have been a de character connected to the Housewives franchise, in her day to day life, she's being the ship that she's not foreign or stranger to the idea of being popular or the center of attention.

9:40 I have to respectfully disagree with you, guys. I'm seeing people like she's No one really knew her like that on a big scale. Yes, in Atlanta a few people here, like people may know her around the way, But there's a huge difference of being a friend and being a housewife. That's a huge leap. It's I think there's also a big difference from being going around Atlanta and being around rich people. And if you're a cheerleader. I'm sorry, that is so bottom of it. I'm sorry, she mean, I like you, but that is not a big deal. It's really not. I don't care if you and fame and I was living in Atlanta when I don't want go ahead, you're not gonna jump, Okay, they are? She wasn't known like that. She isn't a Shemia, is not comfortable yet

10:29 she's not in my opinion.

10:30 We know we agree.

10:31 I actually agree with Clauda. She's not known.

10:33 But I think the point Justin is making is popularity, whether you're a local celebrity or an A list celebrity, she's not foreign to being popular, and she's not foreign to industry circles. And when we do hear for whether it's a B, C or D the rest of the alphabet, she's always standing next to a Candy, a Nini, a Porsche.

10:53 So when we do see her, she's a favor. And this is the first time that we've been looking at her where she's out of favorite. So yes, you're right, she's green, but she's She's also used to us looking at her. When we do look at her, even if it's once every six months, usually this hard eye emojis.

11:10 Now we got a little stappy Stabby's okay.

11:12 She's not used to a little stabby stabbis and the knives and people being mad at her. And I think that's why it's a shock to her sister, because she's used to being loved.

11:19 And you know what, Claudia, I don't like you because we disagree, but us to me, we ain't friends no more.

11:28 By standing in.

11:33 Saphab Okay, Okay, I want to say, it's a part of the alphabet. I'm just saying, give me a little bit of a break.

11:47 Okay. So this is what I have to say, because what I have to say.

11:51 Number one, I agree with three of you guys to the sense of my house, my rules. You can't tell me how to entertain.

12:01 Do anything at my house. So I agree with that wholeheartedly.

12:04 Yes, what we have is this and this is the This is the This is when the producer Carlos comes out and and tells y'all what is really going on.

12:15 Okay, Shemiah.

12:19 Was being a real person by not inviting Porsche.

12:23 In her home.

12:24 She wasn't being a reality star.

12:25 She wasn't thinking about TV.

12:28 When Porscha invited all the girls and their husbands and their cell phones, boyfriends, and Porscha that was for the show, right, it was?

12:37 It was it was I'm the star of.

12:40 The show on the face of the show the producers want because this is when every this is more of a housewife thing. I'll say, I'll say that much. This is a Housewife thing because on my shows, we don't do.

12:51 This as much.

12:52 On Housewife particularly, every premiere has to have all the cast together, and as producers, you you pick which girl that you want to host the Alcaz event.

13:07 Porch was chosen. She's the face of the show. It's first. And that's not disrespecting any of the women that shows. Porsche's it is what it is.

13:15 Okay, Porscha inviting Shamia was for the TV show and that was that Porsche was thinking.

13:22 Producer to me was thinking white.

13:25 And and and that is the think different in terms of reaction because you got to give kudos to Shamia for in that moment. And guys on social media, especially the ones who started watching Housewives five seasons ago, don't get me started dustin y'all are y'all are judging Shamia based on the Housewives play of TV.

13:51 And what I can share is there's tons of moments and that's.

13:56 Why you gotta give Shamia and Kelly there pros being new.

14:00 They're not they're not trying to do anything for y'all.

14:01 They're like fuck, they understand that they can't win for lows when it comes to the audience because Porsha is a fan favorite. Porsia has a lot of fans, and they're aware that no matter what we doll, you're gonna like us, so fuck it.

14:14 My decisions would be my decisions.

14:16 Which is why when Cynthia, I Love you, Cynthia, Cynthia did try it, when she tried to say, well, it's what you're going through at in your personal life is the reason why you act like this, and Shmiah said, no, I'm just batching energy. Smia is doing what she's supposed to do.

14:36 She's being a real person.

14:38 If me and Dustin constantly are having issues and the moment I hit record live as seven ten ish on Monday, you know I'll be late. I don't have the ability to cut off me and Dustin's behind the scenes drama because I'm trying to please the seven thousand and five hundred people who's watching us now. I don't have the ability to do that. I have to be a real person.

15:08 This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. In my opinion, this was the first scene to me where I felt Samiah was being super honest about her feelings.

15:26 Because she wasn't thinking about what the audience wanted to me.

15:31 Okasa, I will say she was being reasonable this this scene, which is why even though I know I've been hard on Shemia and other and I meant that shit, so I'm not taking it back. But I said I'm gotta hater, right, I can admit when a broken clog, and I think in this moment she was being incredibly sincere and saying this is more bigger.

15:50 Than the show.

15:51 I do, however, think that Angela's discernment is proving correct every episode as we go deeper into the Shemia Cave, and Angela might need to sell you know, terror cars instead of fans baby because she saw this coming a mile away. So I just want to give Angela and also to speaking of Angela, Angela talking about her mother passing.

16:15 Real.

16:15 I felt like everybody pulled the shamia and it wasn't thinking about us with the show.

16:19 I think in that moment they.

16:20 Were just.

16:23 I love that scene over her saying hey, I made it even though this is the anniversary of my mother passing. Life isn't fair and everybody put away the housewifer. It made me tear up a little bit.

16:33 Honestly, this was my favorite, one of my favorite episodes.

16:37 Uh.

16:38 It made I found myself like liking people that I've been critical of on the show seeing them in a better light. I loved the skating party when they all had a good time because I'm kind of the two camps like it's annoying, right, It was dope to see them be able to do that. I will say, like with the and Porsha thing or tamia Cynthia thing, you're seeing someone green in reality in the star position against a veteran and I'm telling you, I know I can get drink. It's not making it much. I'm just giving my perspective as far as like you're in a scene with a veteran when you're moving as a real person and not a season vet who's seen myself in three, four or five seasons to know how to take over a scene and pivot. And I'm doing it for the

17:26 cameras and the girls that have been there for a while are very very good at that. They're really good at that. You will end up losing it every time. It's very hard to win in those scenes, so we're not going to really see how good Tom it can really be for unless you for three, four or five years. To give you an example, back in the day, Kenya versus Porscha. I know they came on at the same time, but Kenya seemed like she knew her way around a reality camera a lot better. And I will give this a Porstia. Porscha was operating sincerely in the moments. She's not like Kenya because Kenya is more calculated. Kenya is not gonna just like let things fly by the seat of her pants. Kenya is smart. She's like Amorosa. I

18:06 can't stand Amosa, but they're very good at reading clocking and giving you the bit you need for production. And I do think Porscha was like getting frustrated with Kenya. I think Porscha really want to be friends with Kenya and and it really you know, it made her more endearing because she was living in the moment. She wasn't trying to produce. And I think that's what SMI is doing.

18:24 So you're gonna go through brow and Kings for a few years. It's not just me giving all this graces, Shami. I just get how it can be super successful in music videos and cheerleading and this and the third. But it's a different animal on that show. That show is not easy, you know me and like suck. I wish I would have read the room better, Like I wish I would have known that she was playing me. I wish I don't know if she like when they take the highway to invite you to the house, they know, Wow, she's taking the high roads. She's not bothered as much she can be bothered. She understands production. She understands production.

19:02 Yeah, And that's why I wanted to add context to like what the audience is seeing. Because the reason why reality, especially as show that has been on for seventeen years, is going through this weird phase, it's because and there's nothing wrong with it, right, but I think the audience, you guys, have to look at it like when you're a vet or nog you operate differently than the new beat.

19:26 And the newbie's coming in.

19:27 Although, like y'all stated, since the sixties was everyone's favorite plus one, Yeah, everyone's favorite plus one. But I think what people have to understand too is what me and Claudia knows being a part of that that ecosystem.

19:47 Or echo chamber whatever whatever, the proper word is is the fact that you can watch it and be like, I will do this, I will do that, blah blah blah.

19:58 There is something about being in it that you're sort of like, this is different, which is why for me watching Pinky and Kay Michelle scene that followed that moment was another moment to me, Uh, this is about TV.

20:16 This is not a moment Pinky.

20:19 We'll get to your mantel Jordan later, child, because yeah, right.

20:25 This is how we do.

20:26 I said, yes, she said a legend.

20:30 Boy.

20:30 I said, oh that one.

20:33 I think.

20:35 She's good.

20:36 Hey, cousin, I'm joking.

20:38 Think okay.

20:40 Came.

20:40 Michelle confides in Pinky that after her and Shamilla left Drew at the table in last week's episode, they went out partying.

20:50 Came.

20:50 Michelle alleged that Shamia's mom had her breast up into her her chin and they were hanging outun til two o'clock in the morning. She said that Shemia allegedly got so wasted that she said something along the lines of I really want to be your friend, but my friends don't want me to be your friend. And Michelle interview said she cried, that she cried, and that she's not interested or into candy coated nights. Now to add context to that for the audience, and Dustin, I will get to you first for sure. Listen, what we all know is this, and this is the reason why we talk about vets and newbies. Okay, I can literally hear you saying the what we're watching is this.

21:43 We all know which I wish they could break the fourth wall in this, but I know they can't. Is competing networks.

21:49 As you all know, Cay Michelle, Rashida, Rasheeda and Candy are best friends. Toya Rushing who used to be Toya Johnson and Toya right was married to Mimph Hits when Ky Michelle made those statements against Mimph Hits. Candy is close to Toya. She's also close to Rashida, and we all know that Shamia is close to this particular clique in Atlanta. So that's what Ka Mischelle was talking about. Now, with that being said, and I'll start with you, Dustin, is it plausible.

22:33 Is it plausible that if I'm.

22:35 Candy Burrist, Rashida Frost, or Toya Rushing and I'm seeing Shamilla courtesy of Instagram hanging out with ka. Is it plausible that perhaps the yeah be careful around Kay, don't get too close to her.

22:55 Et cetera.

22:58 Plausible and probably did happen. But as a seasoned reality veteran and television personality came Michelle's ass should have known to keep that off the show and that beef has nothing to do with anything that's going on with this cast of ladies. And unless Rashida is gonna make some guest appearances, or Toya Rushing is going to be a friend of the show or make guest appearances, or Candy agrees to come back as a housewife or make guest appearances, which we would love to happen, because then here are cooking with gas, right, But unless that happens. Unless that happens, what did Monique say on the breakfast club? Name names or keep it on the playground? Right? That don't have nothing to do with the show, and Kay Michelle got

23:42 to let all that hurt go or at least compartmentalize it in a way that it doesn't affect her performance on this show. Because the combination of introducing that dynamic that we can never see resolve from, right, because none of the players are on the show. So the combination of that dynamic, plus her refusing to participate in scenes, plus her refusing to expound on the theories of the plot plan and scheme and all of that, it is adding up to something that's not enjoyable to watch. And I thought the dig at Candy was stupid because Candy's not even in this She's not even on the show.

24:19 So that's how I felt about it. I knew it was coming. I knew in my mind that ky Michelle was going to find an issue with Shemiah based on that shit with Candy and Toya and Rashida and them. But I was hoping that by the by merit of her experience in the reality TV space, she wouldn't make that decision. But here we are, so it was dumb.

24:42 It's another thing that we're never gonna see the end of. There's no way to tell the story, you know what I'm saying. And if Tomia said that to ky Michelle, this is all her fucking fault, because why in the fuck would you tell her, Hey, my friends don't want to be your friend. You ain't that damn drunk yr Mama was there, so we can't even blame it on alcohol like that. Who get drunk? That damn drunk in front of their mama? Who In the last scene, the last time we saw Shemia's mama, she was praying on camera. So, Shemia, if you just chose to say that to kme Michelle, thanks a lot, Samiya, because now we have to deal with this ship. That's another fucking riddle. She might as well wear a green jumpsuit with black question marks all

25:28 over it and then purple eyed things and be the damn riddler, because another fucking thing we're never gonna figure out, Like just more ship that doesn't make sense to the audience, and it's so frustrating.

25:42 Give me a deathly message, like why would you do that, Sma girl? Why you do that? Like it's not maybe you were drunk, I don't know, but why would you do that? And I agree bringing canny and listen after episode three with Chemis show flop. Every week I see like the homeless Simpson meme, we just slide? Is it Homer sliding back?

26:07 Yeah?

26:08 Miche, she's right here right now.

26:11 Yeah, he's singing in the national anthem on the way out, Like, I just.

26:14 Don't like the thing she's doing. She's not engaging like she should think that they're not. It's just jointed issues and it's everything that she's very paranoid. She's very, very paranoid. And I just thought like it's funny that the producers left in that dig get Candy when you know what I can do to get Candy in on this Like it's like they're making it, they're showing her. It's a little bit of.

26:37 And I want you to finish. I think it's smokes.

26:40 Signals to get her to come back on. Maybe mm hmm.

26:46 This is no shade at all. This is the season Candy needs to be on. Yeah, back and you got Kate Michelle. I think to Dust's point, producers, I am I'm having an orga in my chair the way Tricia did when she spinned the block.

27:04 I am telling you we can get Candy breaking off Arashiita and Toya and came Michelle the same show with.

27:14 Pay per view. They wouldn't be be on Bravo. It'd be a special peacock add on.

27:19 Yeah, yeah, I agree.

27:22 Can we just and I'm gonna I'm gonna be a broken record into the season finale.

27:26 I think as of last.

27:27 Week it's official. I'm gonna keep reminding y'all. Angela Oakley got cussed out for saying this three weeks ago. I'm sorry, more and more down to this episode. Every single time came Michelle is acting like the lady in the train talking to the empty chair. Somehow Shami is in the horizon. The pattern is getting louder and louder. I can hear the saxophones at this point. Every time Ca Michelle is about to embarrass herself. She just finished talking to Samia.

27:53 It just so happens that this time she was drunk at the clerb with Mammy's city's up making compassions. I don't think think this is and maybe I'm alone. I don't think this is the first time that Samiya has done a by the way, let me tell you something devastating so you could cry, like a jobs video afterwards.

28:07 I think she's been getting intel from Shemiah, like Angela's hypothesized, and that Ky Michelle is starting to think, because that's said it right, Ky Michelle is a little paranoid, all right, a little paranoid. Cam Michelle's thinking, well, why are you always the one bringing me the bones?

28:22 You were bone?

28:22 I think she's starting to clock that Shamia is bringing her so many bones, she's starting to judge them. And I think we're about to watch even in the preview, she's gonna turn on smiir for being her source. I think so too so blowing to ky Michelle so much. Chemachelle is starting to look at her crazy, like, bitch, why do you always have some tea?

28:39 Then?

28:39 And then I get into the street and I argue with people and I can't tell them. You tell them now, look like it's like the crazy lady on the train station. I think I think Shemia has been sharing more than just this, and I think the stuff that we thought Shemiah was telling Kelly, I think she's actually telling ky Michelle's.

28:54 Oh.

28:56 I think she knows that ca Michelle is a big dog and thought this team makes more sense with ky Michelle than with Kelly, and poor Shamiah throw her some bell. I don't think she realized that that came to show wasn't tight.

29:08 Wasn't wrapped all the way tightly.

29:10 So she planted the seed.

29:11 And a big old we grew that she wasn't expecting. I don't think she expected it to be handled this sloppily, which is why in the preview she looks stunned when somebody says, oh kay, Mishelle, are you good with Shamia?

29:21 Now?

29:21 Shamia is like, when did we have problems?

29:25 Did you?

29:25 Next? Sidebar I was playing Caelle's More Issues in Vogue album earlier. That album had some ship on it sleep like a Baby with My Ship and all I got I love that song came and Shell got some shit in in her catalog for real, for real.

29:42 And Shemiah got some shit in her house because Kelly unfortunately has to move outout her house because she had issues with her neighbor.

29:54 Wait wait lost lost the shit in her house is Kelly? No? No, no.

29:59 Her house because Kelly had to move into her townhouse. She as we learned this episode, Kelly is moving out of her house she got into her neighbors. We did learn from us Weekly a few months ago that the neighbor was complaining of noise and.

30:19 A bunch of other stuff. She also said the houses have bad memories. What she was going through her husband, well now ex husband, and Shmia has a townhouse that she received did she said she bought this before she got married.

30:36 She said after she got married. It was one of her first investment properties she bought me.

30:41 Yes, and ladies, when you marry a rich man by property, not just handbags.

30:47 Okay, so you don't end up in an apartment like Kelsey's dumb ass on Real Housewives of Rhode Island. How the fuck you willing with a guy like that? And you leave and he paying the lease for your apartment instead of buying you a fucking house. Dodo brain, the elevator is not making it all the way up right, But let's go ahead, Carlos.

31:06 Okay, what started with you?

31:13 Not the other word? I saw you catch yourself. But Claudia, what did you think?

31:19 Because I think this was a scene where we are learning a lot about Kelly's personal story, but we also get to see how close friend should we are in real life.

31:29 This episode I really felt that they have, well not just this episode. I really do think they have a real friendship outside of their issues with Portia. I do feel that way. I don't think you can figure this long, and it does. And I am glad to see that because I don't like friendships where oh you don't like her, you don't like her. Okay, let's be friends and whether or not it started like that, it doesn't feel like that now. And I do like that. I do like seeing that there does seem to be some real friendships women I'm not. I do think they're both operating like newbies, which is good because that's when you're gonna get the most authentic takes from them. I think, you know, And I do like that Kelly is like not embarrassed to

32:06 share embarrassing stuff about her and as much people as much people made, people said they were getting annoyed by her and like her. We need more of that. We need more of that, like love or hater. I'm down for anyone that's want to show us some vulnerability on this show, whether whether it's annoying, whether they're want to be your faves and not face. We need that and I like that, and I like that I like that for Kelly. So for that, and and and some of the newbies, we're doing that. I mean the events we're doing that as well too. This this episode had everything, It had everything.

32:38 Yeah, Blue, I think it's amazing that we're gonna see Portsha I'm not worship phaser in court actually doing lawyer stuff and winning. We haven't seen that in a couple of decades. So the fact that she's reaching for s as she's reaching for a fare, it shows that she does have a sisterhood within Calls.

33:02 I will say this, though, I.

33:06 Hope that she's not just the friend that everybody's coming to help, and that we see a different story for her next season. I don't want another season of this, Like Claudia's the point, she is doing a great job opening up, but it feels like the divorce was like lowercase this season. Now it's her major storyline outside of one the knuck if you buck with Portsie season number two.

33:26 I would like her third season to be less this and more of something where she's centering herself, because it still feels like she's latching on other people's stuff and she happens to be going through a divorce with somebody who's meaning her. I actually want to see Kelly win because when when she hit on the show, she was supposed to be like this chicken and waffle like Pinky, she supposed to be like this big restaurant tour, and then we haven't seen her in that light, and I kind of miss seeing Kelly in that light. So yes, I'm happy she's sharing her bad days. I just hope she has some more good days for her storyline.

33:56 Yeah, I agree with both of y'all, Claudia and Blue. I think it is signed for some triumph in Kelly's story, you know what I'm saying. However, I think Kelly is having a strong This was a strong episode for Kelly. His personal story is what it's all about. And seeing her seeing Fadr gift her that was sincere. When Faedro was like, so this is my gift to you, like, that was sincere. I loved seeing that. I love seeing Samiyah, you know, provide this option for housing of Kelly. You know what I'm saying. I thought that was dope as fuck.

34:28 They're absolutely real friends and this is the real shit. You know what I'm saying that to me, if you're gonna show somebody going through a divorce on television, it can't just be you know, I'm going to the divorce and when we sit down and then and we talk about how I'm just going through divorce. No, we're seeing Kelly literally go through the divorce, moving out of spaces, talking about the elephant in the room, which is her not being able to fill with her mind, her children.

34:54 You know what I'm saying, all that kind of shit, So shout out to her for keeping it real and being like, no, I'm gonna give you all the real of exactly what's going on in my life, even if it means I cut y'all out at Fader's dinner party because I'm just fucking handed today. You know what I'm saying.

35:07 I think Kelly deserves some praise for that.

35:11 Yeah for me, No, no, no.

35:14 Go ahead, I'm gonna say because listen, that's why I don't even engage on Twitter anymore when it comes to the reality, not the real ones.

35:24 You know, y'all know, but a lot of y'all leave me alone, y'all, don't.

35:30 Just because somebody is clocked in at your fave doesn't mean they should get fired. It doesn't mean they should to mean dm that you send them. You guys want a boring show. All y'all want to see is y'all favorites do nothing. Y'all love somebody on the show who gives y'all nothing, but yes, what really gives y'all absolutely nothing, y'all.

36:00 I love her and that's why she'll stay on. You have someone like Kelly, and I love Kelly. I'm friends with Porsche in real life. I can sit here and say Kelly is great for the show because she activated Porsche ye.

36:16 Her show to be good.

36:17 Porsche appreciates someone like a Kelly to activate her the way she did because that means Porsche can run up the check next season.

36:26 You guys are stupid. You guys are less and smart.

36:30 Y'all don't even get and appreciate the villains or the people your faiths don't like because they actually making the show better.

36:41 Kelly, and I agree with Blue. When Kelly got.

36:44 On the show, she was seen as like this chicken and waffle house maven right, and unfortunately what we're seeing and maybe this's a conversation another day, but I just got to be honest. I am I got I am kind of over seeing the storyline and this is nothing against the girls. I am over the storylines of these girls coming in with this empire, and then by the next season it's it's it's it's gone, and it's sort of and I think what Blue is saying too is we.

37:18 Were sort of like level on devices.

37:21 Uh, well you were this when you first got on and now you're this, and I'm my head around and I'm so confused, and I'm not keep breaking her name up because to me, she is one of the best who's done it in terms of business is Candy Candy cabbsolutely and everything.

37:36 Was like this.

37:37 And even when her was like this, her businesses always did this, while her person like torpedo. And one thing we loved about Meani when she got on Meani started here and then.

37:48 We saw like, what the fuck this woman? Yeah, over Hollywood, I want some of that.

37:54 And you know, as we're looking at this season and we, unfortunately unfortunately are seeing what and Kelly are going through, and my heart goes out to them. I do understand what blues coming from, which is like I, I do want to see more wins. And while I appreciating honesty in terms of the feled businesses, I don't with the narrative to be that these black amount of housewives all come on the show and next thing we know they're filling for bankruptcy or something happened with their business. Because it's like I lived in Atlanta, Keana Watson listen, in terms of black women who really do have great career and I want to see more of this, and going back to Kelly, I appreciate Kelly for being honest, and

38:46 that's why I love Shemiah, because Shemiya yes.

38:50 Cheerleader, Hawk's game, all that shit.

38:53 I like seeing a black woman living a soft life because she don't have.

39:00 More of that.

39:02 I think they put a lot of pressure self imposed to come in there as it's bigger than life, bigger than they really are, and then it falls apart because you really can't maintain it. And I would like the show to be more open to women, not starting at the bottom, but at a starting point where they don't have to feel it. They are coming in and fake it for the cameras or make this I'm this and I'm this huge mogul when you're really not, because then we had to be sad and watch them fall apart in the show. And then they all live behind above their means. We all know this. I've said this many times.

39:32 People feel the pressure to get in above their heads, ranking clothes and and doing things for the show when they really can't maintain it. Especially that first and second year salary. Y'all, it's like crazy until three, four and five. That's just how it is so I.

39:49 Got you there and because you bought up salary.

39:52 I don't know why you guys are tripping about Drusidora's I'll say alleged.

39:56 Because she didn't say anything.

39:58 Her alleged salary twenty six thousand dollars an episode or a twenty episode order where she works for three months out of the year. She's been on the show for five seasons. Juice of Dora, finally, in my opinion, is now getting the flowers. Because let's be clear, y'all didn't like her until last season. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I don't like y'all. Y'all don't like New New New Housewives. Yes, I did too. I didn't like her caller Perry scenes in the beginning.

40:30 But I.

40:34 Love her this season. Love her this season, Yeah.

40:39 I love that.

40:41 You're right, that's a lot of fucking money you morons like, and that's her base.

40:46 That's the base. Then there's the bookings that the higher elevated money you get because of that. You may make four five hundred thousand dollars there, but then you may match that and make more outside of that with all the bookings. That's just what happens, And to Scoff, at twenty six. You know, people on network TV a lot of I'm a starting at that with a weekly rate. Yes, it goes up to one hundred thousand, a million, all that, but like a twenty five twenty six thousand dollars an episode feet is not a bad feel.

41:13 At all, especially when your ass ain't making it about it was broken. They didn't have nowhere near that. We're not saying in nobody, you know, but like that was that was ridiculous to me, that kind of talk, Like, what do you mean that's she's happy with it. Obviously she's continuing with the show. I think if she felt it was too unfair, she wouldn't be on the motherfucker.

41:35 You know. So people making two episodes her to her two episodes scenes for per year maybe three talking about what she's getting every week is crazy to me. Yeah, black woman, It is always difficult for us in this business. Housewives is one of the better ones people fling.

41:53 For forty five hundred.

41:54 So I'm saying we start off the show with somebody flexing over four k for.

41:58 A baby give them yeah, yeah, being a whole Yeah, all right, But I.

42:04 Love how Pinky and Montel Jordan's.

42:07 I feel like I say this every week and Pinky you know I love you.

42:12 But Pinky once again cut the ship. I'm tired. Yeah, ready for that.

42:21 I was still slipping.

42:21 What happened? I'm Pinky?

42:23 Stop stop, she's another one.

42:27 You guys all have a Rollodex? Oh yeah, we all have one.

42:32 I have.

42:34 I have all these, said, she's going into the bushes. That's why she had to.

42:38 I have two billionaire cell phone numbers in my phone. One of them.

42:42 You all hello, I'm not saying names. Claudia Denise Jordan's.

42:49 Angela is my little name.

42:50 Actually, that's tell.

42:58 Anyway, I have billionionaires in my phone.

43:02 I he he he said that jail.

43:10 Anyways, I have in the worst of I'm not gonna say her name because she's canceled.

43:18 I hey, god, was some fabulous people?

43:21 Does that?

43:21 Did you know that? In New York City?

43:22 Like?

43:23 The thing is this.

43:25 I literally just told you guys two years ago that one of my best friends is Teak of Sumter, because I never wanted y'all to know that until we did. We did our podcast last year. She was like, bitch, doing your podcast, and I said, oh gosh, this is gonna be weird because now people want to know my business.

43:41 But my point is this is your first season.

43:46 Matld Jordan, who I appreciate as an R and B artist, and I'm not here to did somebody to up?

43:56 I love his song What's going on Tonight? That's my favorite. What's the other two?

44:01 You like the Midnight?

44:04 Yeah, Claudia not we only know two.

44:10 Don't do this.

44:12 You lore really good and young. He has not aged.

44:14 He looked this.

44:19 That's right.

44:20 I'm gonna need Pinky to put down the roller decks. We got the toury naw in last year Milano the I mean not last year. Last week we had the Tory and whatever. Last week before had Milano. Then before that, like.

44:34 We had worried, we had morey on the show. Because if you have pump, my thing is this. I'm more interested in what you and Derek are talking about. What happened when you did you low key?

44:45 I don't know if you turned down the five million dollars that he.

44:48 Offered your husband in five episodes.

44:51 Yeah, I loved him.

44:52 That was the peak of your fucking season so far.

44:54 And that's let me see something. A lot of us fade for US season three because of Apollo. We said, hey, you want to see this man what y'all going through, and we love their dynamic. I strongly believe that there's a dynamic because let's.

45:09 Have a conversation and y'all gonna like this, and that's fine. I am ninety nine percent right. The thing.

45:15 Wait minute, wait, is that a factor?

45:19 Because there's an exception to every rule?

45:22 Okay, go ahead and glue.

45:24 You know I'm right when I say this.

45:28 Anytime that's a power couple, there will be a power struggle in the relationship.

45:35 Okay.

45:37 I care more about what is it like the fact that you two have these businesses and let's be clear, one of.

45:45 Y'all or both.

45:46 I don't know yet because I'm too busy seeing celebrity appearances. One of y'all are in competition with each other. That's what happens, and that that's the quiet part we're gonna talk about out loud. That the storyline I want to see. I don't give two fucks about Manta Jordan marrying you, counseling you, the repeuting you.

46:06 Who gives a fuck? I care more about what is Derek like at home?

46:11 Dude?

46:11 Who who's with the kids while y'all are working. Is there a woman in the basement that could be the.

46:16 Nanny and and something else by night?

46:21 Does she play a dual role? Does she get two paychecks? These are things I want to know.

46:27 I don't want to see any more celebrity appearances.

46:29 I'm sick of that. Give me fucking fir flu. I'm sick. I am over it.

46:37 The moment in my and I'm gonna say this, I can't talk about no more and this is this is no shade. I fast forwarded the scene because I was that sick of seeing it, So.

46:47 I don't know what happened.

46:48 Well, if we're being honest, I hate marriage counseling scenes anyway. Yeah, I hate it. That's why Shamari and Ronnie Duvaux made me fucking sick on this show every week. Hey man, it's just it's just married, man, it's just married to something else. Man, you got to stay together. Man, I don't be wanting to see all of that shit I've had it just be fucking married. So I don't want to see nobody sitting down to talk to nobody. I'm so glad kneeling them. Ain't mentors on Loving Mary Tounsville no more because I hate seeing that shit. You got qualified professionals that do that, you know what I mean.

47:24 I don't want to see no damn. I hate that. It makes me not want to fucking get married, and not because it looks hard, because it looks corny. So there's that.

47:33 Oh yeah, I quit after four months.

47:36 So anywhere respect claude of respect?

47:44 Hey man, I know, listen, I get off the train if I see not going to the proper stop or I get off. I don't need to say a word. So anyways, you dropped the bomb show with the husband. I don't know how many episodes ago. It was a long time ago where he wanted to help you out of the bankruptcy, the five million, and then we never see you again until you with Montell Jordan. That is crazy.

48:08 There should have been so many a couple follow up conversations like that's a man that like, we want to see that and that is not something to tear them up. That is actually a dope dynamic. We don't really get to see that my baby's going through bankruptcy and her feeling like her pride is in the way of taking that money that could have been a really good I would.

48:24 I think she'd be less, like it's not annoying all these fights. I think she's graspeding, like these fights she's having and being on ready and on ten all the time in the in the group settings. I think it would balance out her persona on the show. If we can see some moments with their husband, it would make her more valuable because right now, you're right, all these death appearances, it's lazy producing. Oh you got Montel Jordan this week? Okay, who you got next week? That's lazy.

48:48 Dig into her story about her and her husband. We don't get to see that dynamic much on other reality shows. Let's see it.

48:53 I think, sorry Blue, no, sorry, Blue, Dustin won't do this, and either should he.

49:02 Pinky has a good looking husband.

49:04 Like like and that's why I brought up Apollo, like, we don't call them what it is. We watched these shows to see eye candy too. So the fact that we got Derek hay fine ass on the show Nope.

49:15 You know.

49:17 Ranked the husbands from finest to Lea's fine us.

49:20 I want to gerald Derek hay.

49:24 Ellen is that?

49:29 Oh, Charles Oakley, m h.

49:34 Is there any husbands left yeah, no, there's more No Michelle's husband.

49:41 Oh girl, Sorry, sorry, I'm so sorry. Wow remember me different, I'm so sorry, or you not to be drinking to like Clauda, you are bestie.

49:52 Go ahead, Blue, Okay, I just forgot my father, Like, what are you talking about?

49:59 No?

49:59 I please?

50:00 If that was not supposed to come out, claud I will say this.

50:06 Whenever Carlos I've known, you know, I like to look at patterns. Whenever Carlos starts spitting and getting mad and looking like he wants to flip the table to Judis, it's usually because one of the girls is not being vulnerable and she's leaving good story on the floor. And I and so I've learned this about whenever he gets mad starts spinning and taking off his glasses because you're sucking up the.

50:29 Show right, his producer's senses are tingling.

50:32 I wonder Pinky confess that the soft and vulnerable part of her, you know, the part that we like, is the part that she's the least comfortable with.

50:39 What did that?

50:40 What did they always say? Even when she mean did that shady word association game? And then they said Shemia, She said ted.

50:45 Talk, She.

50:46 Said that Pinky always wanted to give you a tech talk about something. She's always talking. I think she naturally is more comfortable when she's bossing people around, ted talking doing Maya angelwis peaches. Somebody asked for booking Mantel, the first show that nobody booked her for, like these producer muscles that she feels blue.

51:06 Dustin comment, the Queen of Atlanta, the queen of.

51:15 The show, her and her boom No, but seriously, she she's comfortable in that kind of boss bitch thing. But I think the calls this point the thing that we want to see the most. I think it's partly the thing that she wants to show us the least, the least. And Carlos she felt exposed that scene that we loved.

51:33 I think the manue felt her pants were caught down aroun her ankles.

51:36 No blue, thank you for saying that, because the thing is and and if y'all ever watched my interviews with Claudia Cynthia Porshanini, they would say to you that this this version y'all think of me is how I am with my girls, because I I when I see potential.

51:53 So Pinky, listen, they're gonna say I try to drag you. I'm not.

51:56 I see so much potential in you, Pinky, and I hope this part is the part that that you actually watch. I feel like you're leaving so much on the table because I literally said, ask them the first few episodes, I'm like, y'all are stupid.

52:09 She's everything, She's grey, y'all are whatever. I defended you.

52:13 And.

52:16 I was rooting for you, and now I'm like, you have Pinky. Of all the girls on the.

52:21 Show, Pinky has the most potential for personal story because I'm fascinated by the power struggle that I know they have. I'm fascinated about, like the dynamics of your man doing all of these amazing things, and you're at a place in your life at that time where you're going through these struggles. I want to see more of that. My favorite scene with Pinky was her with her attorney, was her with her husband crying. I thought that, I'm like, oh my gosh, Pinky her everything. Pinky being producer to me, she's too busy trying to produce her own story. Instead of saying, guys, I signed up to do this show, y'all tell me what.

53:02 I need to do.

53:05 She gonna come back, she's gonna hit you up, she gonna send you a voice message like she did Angela at that table.

53:10 You know what.

53:15 Okay and Picky, Uh, we'll talk next season. Okay. One thing I want to get into is I thought it was a fun seeing guys. It was Drew hosting Phaedra, Portia and Cynthia at her home. Again. This episode was good. It wasn't that much drama, but it doesn't always have to be.

53:34 And I think this episode just showed us like the dynamics and I thought Drew with the girls were hilarious. Question for you, Claude the uh because you've been around them in person several times.

53:49 Phaedra said that people always said that she looked like a toury.

53:54 Cynthia said, is this two thousand and six Phaedra for two thousand and two six Phedra because with this wig she has on, I.

54:03 Don't see the Tury.

54:04 Claudia, you've been around Phaedra in person, you're the best person to ask this question to do you think Paedia and a Tury look alike?

54:14 Why are you're setting me up again? I literally you know I have Tourette's when it comes to her, like, it's hard for me to like not say the thing right? Does she look like that? She looked like dur the Explorer in this episode with the wig with the you know ding did it d ding thing? That's what she was giving. I don't know. I think Pedra has.

54:39 A Blui's crazy.

54:42 What is this show? Go ahead, Claudia, you tried, You tried.

54:54 Did really good by offering free winning legal services. I think that was really awesome. I think that was great.

55:02 So you're sticking with the positives.

55:04 But but does she looks like noty is the question?

55:06 Though, friend in I liked miss, I'm like, what does guy do? What the hell?

55:19 No?

55:19 She don't look like no God damn Phraser don't look like no fucking the touring nod at all? She does not.

55:30 I didn't do it. I didn't go there.

55:33 Look Over's brother does look over?

55:36 So think it.

55:38 She don't look like no fucking the Touri don't look like phaedr or Pinky. Okay, the tour don't look like one of them. I don't know. And and Phadr and Pinky don't look alike. None of them look alike. They all are pretty I think I think.

55:56 In Pha's mind, Phaeder really feels like she's like Nami Campbell. In her mind. She had a modeling contract for a while she was with Wilhelmina. I believe you know she's trying to everything, and I think that's great. I think we should all aim for the stars like we should. We should think highly. Okay, listen, I'm trying to do better.

56:20 They know you did excellent, the excellent Blue to Lousma. I do want to ask you this question.

56:26 Yes you should.

56:31 During that scene, this one thing came up and Twitter went the blaze. Obviously, I want all of you guys have answer this. Let me start with Blue Juice. Dora was recapping what was going.

56:43 On with.

56:45 With Kay, Michelle and Shamia and what happened.

56:50 In the previous episode where they all said down they left the table to see the national anthem in the car Juice, so Dora said that Shamia brought up Porsche and kept wanting to talk about Porsche. The fans went crazy on Twitter because they said Drew was lying and they felt that in this very moment, if if that could slip through the cracks, they really are now saying, hmm, have we been giving Samia a hard time because we do feel like now with Cynthia bringing up Shamiya, Drew bringing up Shmia to Porsche, that are they're the ones really trying to create an issue because Shamia did not bring up during that moment.

57:41 Well, first of.

57:41 All, I'm still stuck on what Natoria was thinking when Pinky said, you're gonna blame me.

57:48 What Dustin said, it's still just like You're right, I don't look nothing like you. I'm still stuck on that. But shout outs to Natoria. Check is a check, A win is a win. Yes, shout out to my friend, to the friends of the show. I actually don't think Drew is lying.

58:03 I'm actually wondering about the edit because I also caught when Shamiah told Cynthia in that earlier scene, Drew kept on bringing up Porsche.

58:11 So Samiah and.

58:12 Drew both agreed that Porsche came up a lot and we didn't see that, which means the producers probably cut it out for redundancy or whatever else. So if both women and are agreeing that Porsche came up a lot, but neither is agreeing who brought her up, I'm not sure we can say Drew was lying because they both agreed she was brought up a lot and we didn't get to see it. Not to be semantical, Sally, but that moment of Drew saying and then Shemia is saying, I was like, everybody's saying, Porscha, Porsche, Porsche. But I went back and watched the episode all side skim Michelle abandoning her bag to go find her a uber, so we missed the Porsche of it all. So who are we to say that she's lying because clearly Porscha's mentioned

58:49 way more than we saw on the edit.

58:50 That's my honest answer, Datin.

58:56 The problem is that Porsche is being brought up by Shamiah to Porscha and Shamia is not being brought up by Porscha to Shamiah. They need to talk to each other, and until they talk that shit out, they gonna keep bringing Porsche up because it's the elephant in the room. Everybody knows that they fucking hate each other right now, and nobody's talking about it, and since they refuse to sit down and talk it out or whatever, and I guess we're gonna get that in Scotland, which I can't wait to watch. But until that happens, their conflict and their disagreement is gonna be brought up because they're all around each other. So let that go. People are gonna bring it up. That's how I feel about it.

59:37 Yeah, yeah, I'm one hundred percent certain that they're both being told. People in the cast are being told to bring up Porsche to Shamiah and bring up Shamia to Porsche, and that is what is happening on this show. You get your notes before you go inside there, Hey, make your points, but make sure you bring up Shamiyah. Hey, make sure you bring a Porsche and then it's caught to make it. I think both the ladies are trying to not talk about each other on camera, right because you see Porsche last week. Kudos to her for saying, look, I'm not I'm gonna excuse myself. That was another veteran move.

1:00:11 I'm gonna excuse myself about the scene when you talk about my former best friend. I still think that was a very good reality TV high IQ to do that. Shemia has been trying too later in these episodes now to finally catch on and do that where she's like nope, nope, I'm not talking about No, I'm not. She has done that a few times now. She hasn't been perfect at it.

1:00:31 She still had does engage sometimes, but I think that she's trying to do that, and so I'm gonna give both those ladies kuda for trying and that you're right down something they need to be talking because all that stir in the pot. You know, it's stirring the pot every single week, and then we can say, oh, we hate Shmia, so the whole hate Shamia training because it looks like she's messy boots bringing a portra al time when really you see on this episode, I don't know, maybe maybe it's not what we think it is.

1:00:58 And in the spirit of Season six of Real Housewives of Atlanta, bring their mamas to the reunion, Tan be in bring your Mamy Blue. I'm telling y'all bring Porsa's mother and please bring to me his mother to reunion. Yes, please please.

1:01:25 If you're watching Bell Collective, stay tuned because Carrie's mom and her husband Matt's mom, they get into it and everything Dustine is saying is what he's right.

1:01:35 I want to see both mothers.

1:01:37 The thing is this, we know miss.

1:01:40 Diane for for seven years season Sportsmen on the show, right, is the prettiest mama of all the shows.

1:01:48 Gorgeous, beautiful, and.

1:01:53 Then we're learning more about Samia's mother. I do agree with Dustin. I want to see that too. The biggest thing that happens episode. By the way, I do have a note from Dennis McKinley. So, as we all know, recent news is ju so Dora and Ralph Pittman's divorced. His final the custody she has to give him child support.

1:02:26 Ralph posted a message on his Instagram page where he shot at out Dennis saying thank you for recommending the lawyer, which was a crazy move because we.

1:02:40 All know that Dennis is his artist is drew as a journalist.

1:02:48 Hey, Porsche, I wanted to get a statement from Dennis McKinley about that particular comment before we get into the scene to him.

1:02:54 And Porsche, and he gave me permission.

1:02:58 To read this to you guys based on how he felt being throw being seen as being thrown under the bus by Ralph. He said that when it comes to Ralph, he did reach out to him and they had a private conversation. So he wanted us to know that, and that when it came to the Drew thing, when it came to Dennis referring Ralph an attorney, he already told Drew that he gave the referral, so it wasn't news to her, and that is what he wanted to clear up, that he wasn't trying to be shady. Drew knew about it, and.

1:03:46 That was that.

1:03:47 Okay, Well he should have gave that lawyer.

1:03:49 Yeah, First of all, Ralph is a mess Why would you even put that in your fucking caption. That don't have ship to do with Dennis and portion in their business and the affairs. Those are affairs between them that are personal and they don't have nothing to do with the whatever whatever you're celebrating in your message, And that would have pissed me the fuck off. I would have went down the basement and cuts his ass out. I'm telling you so. I didn't like that. That was stupid.

1:04:16 It's fun. This is all Ralph's fought, all of it his thought.

1:04:23 Speaking of messy, we got to get to Dennis bringing the engagement ring to get back to Porsche. This listen, I y'all know this about me. I love it when our vets are surprised, right. Worsha was shocked that Dennis in his tight jeans, they were so tight, like he.

1:04:50 Brought out the ring.

1:04:52 And I don't know if you guys noticed this, because I know I'm too close to it because I know the girls. But the reason why I gave kill her tense is because when you shocked Porsche, Porsche gives this look.

1:05:05 Did y'all notice that, like Porscha has a look when you know this is not what she expected?

1:05:11 And she was visibly upset that Dennis not only said to her right that, first of all, you gotta be careful who you're dating. He knew the marriage wasn't going to work. He was just waiting for it not to work before he pretty much said I told you so. And then he brought the ring to her today because she's been asking for it years months ago. He gave it to her, and all hair broke glues started with your Claudia, what did you think about that scene between Dennis and Porsche, which to me was like one of the realest scenes I've seen a Porsche since season six.

1:05:45 It was nice to see her not be produced and not producing and it made her be more like relatable, like and it made me think, damn, there's still a lot of love they left for Dennis, and is she been holding out for him to like reap pose her. Yes, yes, they answered, Yes, that's who. That's the love, that's who has our heart right there. And I was trying to at first when I was wanted to like whom, I okay, we just be able to favorite who am I mad at? Who?

1:06:10 Who?

1:06:11 Then I'm like, okay, if I still cared about someone that proposed me, and I really, in my deepest heart of hearts, I really want to be married to him. I want him to repropose me. And you came and you threw the her. Oh hey, hey go your ring back. I would want to fight him. That was very mean to do. That was mean. At first I thought he's funny, he's entertaining, But that was kind of mean, especially if you know that this woman still holds a place for you in a heart that she really does maybe still like want to be with you. And it seems like they've had these conversations about bringing the ring back, and I feel like she wanted to be presented back to her, not in a way of like people might as well,

1:06:46 take your ring back, but in a different way, like fighting for her. I think she wants that as a fight for her.

1:06:53 I do.

1:06:53 I thought that was I thought it was kind of cruel and I really felt for a portion that scene. I really did. And I don't even know why he did that to her, because I do think he loves it too bad. I don't know why he did that to her.

1:07:03 The viral moment, Claudia, he did that to her because she went viral for being on stage saying that she's dating right now, he and she, and it became a huge moment. Yeah we good because think about it, she's seen her with other people before, but this felt extra nasty after that she made that announcement, and it starts with her saying, oh, I thought I was shouting them out by saying I'm whittled it down to my two faves, but I'm recognizing I pulled a Porsche, and I didn't think about how it couldn't have been a shoutout because now that both finding out about each other, then he chose.

1:07:31 But the very last scene also, I saw that post too about you dating a woman and a man, and it's almost like you embarrassed me so I want to embarrass you. It felt like a lick back because I've been with and I think we have this in common. I've been engaged before, and when you are someone who has been engaged to somebody but you don't go through with it, there's always this feeling of is there another version of reality where we actually ended up together? And I do agree with Claudia that you can tell that in that moment. It's almost like watching a being painfully ripped off of somebody. I think that moment is what freed her for her current relationship. I think it took him being that callous and that insensitive and that means

1:08:10 spirited as a response to her making the announcement about her dating a he and a she for her to be like, oh, I have to let this go. I don't ever want him to make me feel like this ever again. Because the ring being given back to women in particular, it signals that the last bit of hope is dead. That was a funeral. We just watched a few of a relationship on camera. I for you to bury our relationship with the cameras rolling.

1:08:31 It's mean, and it also made me get out more grace and actually more empathy for Portia. It was some of the moves that she's made that made her look kind of like fast off the chain, a mess, like all over the place with dating this one, dated this one. She's trying to replace that love.

1:08:48 She's trying to her endgame.

1:08:50 She she wants Dennis so like, you know, you've got to try to try to make your ex jealous by jumping in something with somebody else that Simon things. She wasn't feeling Simon like that. That was to get back at dinner. Then he say right before she got with Simon that they were talking about getting back together.

1:09:06 Yeah, And she said, in December, you were supposed apply more pressure and you did it. Why she said, in response to me, say, I'm dating two people. You didn't apply a pressure in December when you told me you were going to So I kept on dating and met these two people. She's been waiting on that man and he picked the worst possible way to bury it in front of.

1:09:22 You want him to come. She wanted him to come getther, especially after they broke her heart cheating when she was pregnant. She wants him to come get her the right way, and he he was on some he diminished that in that moment that was I thought that was me.

1:09:33 That was hurtful Dustin Ross.

1:09:38 Dennis showing and giving the ring to portion on camera forces them to talk about the then getting back together. Basically, Dennis imports our co parents so they can function as co parents and never entertain the idea of them getting back together. But him presenting her with that ring on camera forces the conversation. And I think that's what his intention was. I don't think he's tr and I hurt her feelings. I just think that he wasn't emotionally intelligent enough to understand that it would trigger her in that way and the memories would there and hurt her feelings.

1:10:08 And also, Dennis no better than that. He's from Detroit and he should have had a haircut it least, if you're going to broach the subject, you could have had a lineup, Dennis, And you know better because I didn't seen you with a lineup. You just had one at the conference. I've seen you had a couple of weeks ago, so you knew you was gonna film. And I think it was a last minute thing, and I think it may have been motivated by that coming to you. She had a Culture Kan which shout out to Culture Khan.

1:10:33 I had a great experience moderating on that stage. So I love Culture Khan and the team over there. But that's what that was. Dennis loves Porscha and Porscha loves Dennis. Yeah, they got it.

1:10:45 I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm gonna say the question I have for the three of y'all. Y'all can answer at once or whomever. Based on this scene alone, do you think and Dennis both are in love with each other?

1:11:03 Yes? Now, here's the thing. Dennis fucked up and he embarrassed Porsche by cheating on her while she was pregnant, and that is something that is very hard for people to get over. And the humility element. He's a great father to their daughter. Their daughter is well adjusted, thriving, and beautiful, so he's definitely handling his business as a dad.

1:11:23 I think that the humility element is what we don't see and he needs to gravel if he wants to get Porsha back, because she flat out said in this episode in a perfect world, yes, I would love for me and Dennis to get back together and be together. Make the world perfect.

1:11:40 Nigga I think Porscha is in love with Dennis. I think Dennis loves Porsche. But if you're in love with someone, I don't know about cheating on them and embarrassing on TV like that time at the time. I don't know about that, you know, But I think he has a lot I do. I think he loves her as much as he probably is capable of. But I do think that they do still want each other. I do.

1:12:03 Yeah. I think.

1:12:06 This is tricky because this one feels like something I go through way more than I would like. I think that Porsha's in love with Dennis, and Dennis loves Porsha as a person and is in love with how much she's in love with him. There are men because think about Porsche. Porsia is a unicorn who a lot of men want. And I think there's a part of Dennis that is very flattered and emboldened by the fact that the girl that everybody wants wants me and I care about her and she's her brother and I admire her, which is why I can easily let her marry another dude in X, Y and Z. But don't embarrass me too much because my egos still gets stroked knowing that I'm the one that you ultimately want. And I think

1:12:48 that when Porscha said, and this broke my heart because I relate to this too much. And they even had the flashback shout to the producers and the editors, she said, what do you mean, Damn, they came to get you. I picked the ring. I'm the one who sent this me together. I was the one making plans right. A lot of men and Claudie, I know you can relate to this when they see the woman that nobody can get say I want you, nigga use it.

1:13:13 There's a high that comes from that.

1:13:14 That's not love. It's attachment and ego that gets conflated for love. When it's attachment tether to fondness and co parenting. I think he cares for her as a person, but I think the only person who was ever in love was Porsche, which is why at Dustin's point, he's thinking strategically, like, you're meant to stroke my ego. You made me look stupid at culture car On talking about you gotta he is she a day and the others. I'm gonna do this little lick back to force you to said men.

1:13:36 How much you want me on camera? Oh shit, you're in love with me? Go out, you're crying. I didn't better this. I didn't eve get a haircut for this. Let me dip on out and put my pants up. Like when you like somebody but are not in love with them, you make those reckless mistakes because you move without intention, And so Porsia didn't want him to gravel.

1:13:52 She wanted him to finally be intentional. And ladies, I'm gonna tell you the thing my therapist sold me last week.

1:13:56 Chiut.

1:13:57 He likes you, but not enough to do anything about it.

1:14:00 He's not gonna change. She's not gonna change change.

1:14:03 She was like, you enough to do anything. There are men in this world who liked you, just not enough.

1:14:10 The way he klew that ring would have pissed me the hell off, the way he like with that big ass ring, and how you just were so cavalier about it and was just like, hey, you got your little ring back. What she she should have put hands on him like she did, can you that's came and asruffy ass beard.

1:14:33 Hearing fallout, he was wrong for that.

1:14:35 Dennis that was And then some people to come and saying is it is it real? The fake? I think it was real. And she looked genuinely hurt that.

1:14:43 One hundred as somebody who knows her and work with her. There was a she she she she looked shocked. She cried on the spot. That's why they kept in the behind the scenes moment. She wasn't talking to her assistant Lauren when she said did you.

1:14:58 Know about this? She was talking to the this is like, did you yeah? Talk like.

1:15:06 I know por Let's be quar Portia cuts their asses out because in her mind she thought like, y'all send me over my own house with this motherfucker doing this to me. And I think Dennis I didn't think about this, and I don't want to ask Dinnis about the Porsche, thinking that's that's just that's just too much. I do believe I don't think about this until y'all said it as women that perhaps he definitely was offended.

1:15:33 When she went on Culture Conn and said, I'm dating a woman and a man.

1:15:36 And I think there is and neither one of them was him.

1:15:39 Yeah you know what I'm saying. I think I could.

1:15:42 I could definitely see that, and I think I think blues right, I do think in some weird way what Dennis just did drove her more to sway.

1:15:54 Absolutely, they keep getting licks back every time one of them, so that's like someone else too.

1:16:02 They sway here be lined up.

1:16:04 Oh ship, she should refer her barber.

1:16:07 Then it's to be having this shit together. He just it was off day, you know.

1:16:11 Yeah.

1:16:14 Then goes married Simon. She breaks up with Simon. He's a house waiting for you. They dangle, dangles the ring. Maybe won't get together. Then he messes that up and she runs the sway and the other guy he's a non factor, the actor guy.

1:16:27 Yeah, I think I'm dB page up. He's happy.

1:16:30 Yeah, yeah, that moth night chain. You tried it with that chain. You know, I'm a diamond. I'm a diamond master night.

1:16:42 Room.

1:16:44 We wouldn't a diamond tester will test positive, but it's not.

1:16:49 We ain't know about it.

1:16:54 Well, there you go, but no, I thought this was a great episode. Shout out to the team, looking forward to next week. So love you guys, Love you Claudia, and I will see you guys next week.

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