VICKI, ORANGE YOU EXPIRED? | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

First of all, hi, Raindrops.

Welcome to another episode of Reality with the King with Alexis and Carlos. Once again, subscribe to our YouTube because the thing is, what I put on a tank top is so form-fitting that sometimes I'm like having to.

Like It is tight.

It's keeping it all nice and tight in there. That's a very tight tank top. Is that a Hanes or do you have like a couture tank top? No.

So it is Hanes today, but the best ones is from Gymshark.

Oh, see, that's what's so funny is that I've, you know, between my sons and my husband, it's like, People want to buy really expensive ones, but sometimes they're like, nope, Fruit of the Loom is the best on this one, or Hanes is the best. But then yours is saying Gymshark. Is that a step above those?

Yeah, because the thing is this.

Gymshark is this athletic brand that men wear it when they're working out, whatever. It's like athleisure. The fabric and the quality. I sound like a spokesperson. So Gymshark, call me so I can be a sponsor.

All of a sudden, call them up, guys. Hi.

So Raindrops, if you happen to be in ad sales or.

If you happen to work at Gymshark, hey, we have a wide reach of Raindrops, honey.

Yes. Let them know.

I love their tank tops because the quality of the rib tank is so good. Multiple washes. It still sparkles like white or black depending on the color you buy.

And it fits really good. I'll wear it next week for you.

Yeah, that would be great because now I can compare. I'm seeing you in the.

Yes, okay. I'm seeing you in the.

Because I've been in the industry of clothing, you know, for a short time. But I can see if that... I'm going to be able to tell the difference in the fabric, I think, probably.

Okay. So let's check it out.

Uh-huh. It's hot. I'm telling you. Guys in tight white tank tops, it's hot. I mean, you call it white feeders, I guess. Don't beat me.

I know. They used to call them that. And I feel like that with a pair of jeans, you know.

Especially with the shirt you've layered over it. You look very, like, spot on. You look trendy. Yeah, good. Yeah, it looks good.

Thank you, Alexis. You bring out the best in me. What can I say?

And I'm in Navy today, so I really threw you off. We're not doing anything.

But you're also blinking, sister. You're blinking.

Yeah, I like this one. You like it?

I love it.

I get boring and just wear my AJ necklace all the time that.

John has made. How expensive is your necklace?

This one?

I don't know, honey. I don't know.

You do know. You don't want to tell me the price.

I honest to God, this is not one that I'm remembering off the top of my head. Like, Oh, this one was this. No, I mean, there's, there are some that I can definitely give you the quote. I don't know. Okay.

That's a good one. You look good. I mean, listen, I.

Have a blemish here though, right here. I had a, I had a zit. And so I went in for a facial and we over zapped it. So if you, can you see, can you see on the camera?

Oh, I can see it. Yeah.

So my makeup, my makeup is doing a good job covering up from here. You can't see it.

No, no.

It'll be gone in two days. It just, it just over, we over zapped a little bitty friend that joined Harry. I'll call him Harry the zit.

Okay.

Then I'll call my Sally. So when Harry met Sally, because I have a zit. So yours, my zit is called Sally. Yours is called Harry.

Okay. You want to see mine? Yeah. Let's see.

Oh yeah, I can definitely see that. Why didn't you even try.

To- Not definitely.

Why didn't you even try to put a little bit of makeup on that? Like at least I tried to cover it up.

No, so here's the deal. And you would, and you, I know you, and you would appreciate this.

I feel like when it comes to men, Our imperfections make us look better because who wants like a pretty man?

There is a very, you're so right because there's a very fine line between metrosexual, what's it called? Metrosexual.

Metrosexual.

That's hot and sexy or that it's too like, okay, he takes more time to do his face skincare than I do. That's not sexy. It's sexy when you're like, yeah, he takes care of himself, but okay, wear that zit, own it and move on. Like, let's just go, you know? So I agree. I agree with you.

Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, here I go. I'm like, you know what? It's there. Listen, it'll go away. It's been a fucking few days.

It's been two days. Sally's there to meet Harry. Wasn't it called When Harry Met Sally? Isn't that the movie for.

Yeah, that's why I said it, Alexis. Well, they met.

Of course, now they met. Now we can kiss them goodbye and they can... And then they can go. They're done.

I'm telling you, Raindrops, I love my audio listeners. If you're not watching us on YouTube, you're missing out.

It's a... It's a comedy show.

It's giving my favorite HBO Max show that just ended called Hacks. Oh.

Have you ever seen Hacks?

No, but it sounds good. I might need to tune in on that.

Jean Smart from Designing Women.

Okay. It's on HBO?

Yeah, they have five seasons. It's super good. She's won like three Emmys. Based on this one character she plays.

Okay, go girl.

No, it's a really good show.

So you're Jean Smart, and I'm the actress named Hannah. Well, that's her real name.

I'm writing this down. I'm going to Google this. I'm Jean Smart. Let me see.

Got it.

I'm going to Google it. I'm going to find out. Do I really have to portray her next week?

Oh. We'll talk about next week later in the episode.

You're welcome for entertaining everyone. Good God, Alexis, you should have stayed home in bed. You're welcome.

Stay tuned for that because we're going to talk about the coming attractions for next week.

With that being said, you're going to need the Mary, sweet Mary and Jesus cross hanging from here next week in the week out or whatever.

Yeah.

Girl, we'll save it.

But stay for the rest of the episode so we can talk about the teaser of next week's episode of Orange County.

But today, we're here to talk about episode 12 of OC.

And you know what? Let's get right into it. So, Shannon meets with Gina. So, remember, last week, The girls, Shannon, Vicky, Jen, and Emily were over at one of Vicky's homes. We know what happened. Pretty much, Vicky did not want to address any issues. She wanted to have fun turtle time.

Like Ramona. And, you know, ultimately, Emily and Jen left.

Right. So, Gina is catching up with Shannon because she wasn't there.

And they talk about it in addition to the.

Fact that they're really talking about Vicky saying things that they feel like are inappropriate. And what comes up in this conversation is apparently they flash back to a moment where Vicky is talking about Carmella. And she does say that Danny pretty much raises and takes care of the kids. That's why Carmella is with him. Shannon's like, look, Vicky is known for putting, you know, her foot in her mouth.

She says things that she doesn't mean in the moment. And Gina's not buying it. And she feels like, what? Did you correct her? And Shannon goes, no. Um, I'm not going to kick her while she's down. And Gina feels like you must hold your friends accountable.

So, look.

Last week, I feel like you and I did a fantastic job. Especially you, because you and Vicky are friends. And I respect friendships. I was very honest last week.

Like, look.

I've been very honest about my feelings towards Vicky this season. But last week's episode, I said, you know what? That scene with her and Tamra... It.

Softened you a little. Last week softened you, but now I think I know where you're going, but we'll see. So now where do you stand?

I'm a hard-boiled egg with my cone-shaped head.

I knew where you were going. I wanted to remind the listeners that you were- Team Vicky last week, and you did have a softer spot for her last week. I did.

I did. I did.

And the beautiful thing about you and I, recapping, is we only stick to the episode.

Episode by episode, right? And in this episode... I'll stick to scene by scene before I give you my whole overall thought. Okay.

Can't wait for that.

I do feel like, look, when it comes to someone being your friend, there is a fine line with having your friends back, but also acknowledging like, hey, this was bad.

And again, I'll get to what happened later.

But in this particular scene between Shannon and Vicky, I'm on Gina's side. I feel like if someone says something in the moment, I think you should tell them in the moment that's not okay. And that's why Another shocker, I was on Heather's side when she shut it down when Vicky made the comments to Carmella in Vegas about like, why are you here?

Your daughter's home sick. You should be home with your daughter.

And Heather's like, we're not doing that. So I was on Gina's side. But what are your thoughts about all of that?

Should Shannon have.

Held Vicky accountable in that moment when she made that comment?

Well, yeah, but who else was in that scene when Vicky originally made it? Oh, it was Who was it with? It was Gina and Vicki and Shannon. It was those three? Who were the three in the spa when Vicki made that call?

Wasn't it happening there? Jamie, let me know.

Yeah, because it was Shannon. I remember Shannon because she was sitting here and then it was Vicki and then there was one person here. And Shannon was like, wow, like, why did you say that?

Why did they have that, if I'm not mistaken?

I can't remember. We'll find out.

We'll find out. Anyway.

But to your point, Shannon was not the only person there. Right.

So someone sitting in that group should have said, this is not OK. Like, no, he does not raise those kids. I mean, even me watching as a viewer. which I know we're seeing a very short snippet of anything, but you can tell that Carmela is a very hands-on mom. Like you can tell by the relationship she has with those kids. Danny is not raising those kids. So anyway, yeah, that would, that would hit me through the heart. That would be a very, I would, I would have the same reaction Carmela had. I do think that she should be, Vicky should be saying sorry over and over for that one.

Yeah, and I just think it's not a nice comment to make about someone. You can have your opinions about Danny. You can have your opinions about why she's with him. But I think to make that comment, I thought was pretty low. And I think when it comes to Shannon in this moment, I think Shannon understands that her value and her friendship is by having Vicky on her side because None of the other women are truly Shannon's friends, you know?

I feel like, I don't know. I feel like everyone's kind of being kumbaya this season. I feel like there is some true, like, maybe not friends where you're calling every Saturday to see if you can meet up for coffee when you're not, you know, filming or whatever. But I do feel like there's more of a cohesiveness in the group. But the other thing I wanted to say about Vicky is she does forget things she says. Because I went on her podcast. I mean, I had just gotten engaged. No, I was almost, I was getting married to John two months away. So it was, I got married in October. So it was like August or August-ish, okay?

And I go on her podcast and she says something about John and about how she likes him. And I called her out point blank. I said, oh, you do? I go, because from what I remember hearing you say, you've thrown him under the bus like five times. And she's like, oh, no, no, no, I like him. No, no, no, what are you talking about? And so then I had to go down the list of what she'd said.

Right.

And then she's like, oh, well, you know, she literally is like she just says things and doesn't even think them through. Not that that's right, Carlos, though. Not that that's right to do.

Right.

But but, you know, I don't. The thing is, is that I kind of laughed when we were on our pod.

I kind of laughed.

I was like, it's just freaking Vicky.

It's funny.

I'm like, OK, so now you love him because I'm married to him. OK, good. Perfect.

I think.

I think Vicky is the type of woman where. She talks shit behind your back. And when she's confronted, she doesn't want to make it a big issue. I think she means what she says in the moment. I don't think she forgets it. I think she doesn't want to deal with it. I think she's one of those women as a season three watcher.

Hey, Tamara, because I started watching when Tamara came on. And I always say that. And then I'll listen. Thank you. I'm being honest.

I'm being honest.

I thought of watching when Tamra Judge came on, but I gotta be fair, Gretchen made me glue to my seat when she joined. Tamra started me watching it, but Gretchen made me stay. I said, what the fuck is this shit? Hold on to your daddy, girls. Here comes Gretchen.

I said, she's dating Cardinals. I mean, rest in heaven.

Let me not say anything because he's passed away. But my point is I was like, oh, shit. But my other point was Vicky, that's who Vicky is. And I feel like this season, that's who Vicky is. I definitely think she means what she says in the moment. I don't think she forgets it per se. I just think she's just like, get over it. It's not that serious.

And I think in all fairness to her, if I'm being fair to her and you, I think she said it, especially her bias being Shannon is her best friend.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And so maybe you're right. Maybe there's some truth to that, that she says it. I almost think also adding onto that, that Um, maybe she says it, but she doesn't, she, she means it, but she kind of means it jokingly. Like she knows she's on a TV show. You know, you're supposed to say funny things. You know, he's just trying to be funny and, and like move.

I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. No totals, totals, totals. Totally get it. Totally get it.

Um, totals is a new saying totals.

You've never said that before.

I love an abbreviation. Why not short things? Okay.

Um, This scene really made my heart smile. I want to get into Tamra.

With her. Well, let me ask you this.

Is there anything else you want to talk about when it comes to that Shannon and Gina moment?

No.

Yeah.

Tamra scene with her granddaughter Ava.

It was four generations all there together. First of all, none of them look like they should be in the role they are. Like the grandma doesn't look, the great grandma doesn't look like a great grandma. The grandma doesn't look like your grandma. And you know, that's a great photo.

So great. She looks totally good. Um, Tamara looks good. Her mother looks good. And then you have her daughter, then her granddaughter, Ava. So I did love that four-generation moment that they were obviously celebrating for Ava's birthday party. In this scene, Tamara does talk about her son, Ryan. And when it comes to Tamara and her relationship with her son, Ryan, what we have watched throughout the years is...

you know, look, a lot of ups and downs in their relationship, right? Because one of the things that they've always dealt with was he was sort of living his life as a teen on the side of not the most safe, right? And Tamara being 18 years old, which is still young to be a mom. And one of the things that Tamara talked about was the fact that her and Ryan's relationship suffered to the point where they didn't talk for a year. And one of the reasons she gave was Tamara's mother pretty much raised Ryan as his grandmother because Tamara was so young and so was her baby daddy at the time. And Ryan does expect Tamara to be that type of grandmother. So before we get to the other stuff she said, I want to

stop there. As a mother, what are your thoughts on that? Because I will say when it comes to like old school grandmothers, whether their daughter was 18 or 28, grandmothers at that day and age was extremely instrumental in in their grandkids lives. And I can see Ryan's point if that's what he is, was accustomed to. Right.

I agree with that. And I, I think that with how modern it is now a day is that, you know, like Tamara is young and still working hard and, and, and she is the breadwinner and she is have, she has so many companies and things that she's, you know, hats to wear. Um, so I can see Ryan's frustration, but I also like for me, not everyone has the ability or even wants to be a stay at home mom.

I knew very young that I wanted to be a stay at home mom. I wanted, not that I wanted to be kept like Vicki used to call me a kept woman. It wasn't that I was kept. I quit my career. Once I found the, the, the man that I thought was going to be my, you know, my forever and start a family. He and I both were on the same, you know, some, some families are like, no, we both have to work. No, we're both going to be working. We're both, we're going to figure it out.

I don't want to be a stay at home. I don't want to be a stay at home. And so they figured out, or there's the Emily and, and, and Shane where Shane's now the stay at home. So not every family works the same and you've got to respect all of them. And not one is right or wrong. In my opinion, I don't think any of them are right or wrong. It's just what works for your family.

So for me, I, if, if let's just say now that James is married, let's just say, and they're 20, they're almost 21 in a that Tamara's mom was. I would be that grandma. I'd be like, drop the kid off. John will kill me. You'll probably hear this, but I'd be like, drop the kid off.

I'm here. John, see you tomorrow.

I'm babysitting the baby. I would be that grandma because that's the mom I was too.

So I don't know.

There's nothing right or wrong about it, but I get where Ryan's probably just feeling a little bit like, I wish you were a bigger role in Ava's life. That's what I think he's trying to get at. And he might say it wrong and might come out wrong, but I can see. He loved his relationship with his grandma.

This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

Let's get back into the show. Yeah.

What would you be if you had a kid and the kid had a kid? Here's the other thing. Tamara was a child raising another child because even though they say, oh, you're an adult. Oh, bullshit. You are not an adult. My kids still need a lot of help with everything. It's like you're not an adult until you're like 25, 30.

By 30, you better be on your own and have everything figured out. But no, you can still hold your kids' hands and get them to the next stage. So anyways, that's the first thing is that I wanted to defend Tamara a little bit. She was growing up with her kid, you know, and I think she did a great job. But what would you do?

I agree with you.

Be a workaholic. You wouldn't be a stand-up.

No, there's no way. Listen, my sister... was 18.

When she had her daughter.

Oh. And I remember my mother stepping in immediately. Now, granted, my sister, yes, was there and all those things. But like you said, 18, no one really moves out of the house at 18. I didn't move out until I was 22. Right. I think, like you said, by 30 is when adulthood really happens. I was in a city college, so I was able to go to college in the city, but also come home, because I wasn't mature enough to handle that. And listen, I'm in my 40s, and the idea of having kids isn't top of mind for me.

But even at this big age, I would still need a lot of support. And that's why I do feel, when it comes to Tamara, I understand why she had The struggle with Ryan, because from my understanding, his father wasn't really in his life like that growing up.

They're not married. They weren't married. They didn't live together.

So I think a lot of it, like you said, Tamara had to figure out her own shit at 18.

Well, and you're still growing up. But she was still present.

Yeah. She was present. Yeah.

Yeah. So.

So.

We have to get to what Tamra said also. So Tamra, not Tamra, Tamra said that one of the other reasons why they had their falling out is because she and Ryan got to an argument based on things he was posting and liking on social media. Look, when it comes to Ryan, this is a part of the conversation where, you know, may be uncomfortable for you. And I respect that because Tamara is your real-life friend. And I love Tamara, right?

And this has nothing to do with Tamara. This has everything to do with a grown man who is 30 years old who used his social media to say something. So just so the audience knows, Ryan is known for.

A lot of disturbing tweets. When it came to the murder of George Floyd.

He did post what if the whole George Floyd murder was staged. He also was making a lot of transphobic posts on his Instagram to the point where Tamara had to apologize on behalf of what he was saying so that her audience knew that she was not supporting it at all. Um, so they had an argument about that.

And look, this is what I will say. When it comes to Ryan, that's a whole separate conversation. I don't condone anything he has said. It's gross. It's disgusting.

It's nasty.

Transphobic post, racist post, anything of those things are not acceptable. With that being said, that doesn't reflect Tamara. And I wanted to talk to you about this because Again, when it comes to being a parent, you can only do so much for your children until they leave the nest. And once they leave the nest, as a parent, you hope that everything you instilled in them, the values and all of those things, they take with them when they leave the nest. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen for everyone. And I know personally that Because me and Tamra talked about this loosely on my podcast with her four years ago.

It was hard for her because she doesn't agree with anything he was saying. And she was getting attacked for his post. And she's like, this isn't me. So I understood why she had to call him and say. A, I didn't raise you to be this way. And B, you're fucking up things for me too. And I have nothing to do with this shit. So I feel bad for Tamara. I don't feel bad for Ryan.

Part of that is the fact that we're in the limelight. Like any of us have put ourselves out there and we're public figures. If this was happening to a family that was not public, she'd be able to handle it a little bit differently. You know, it wouldn't be like, you know, she could. But the other thing to that is, is even when the kids live with you, even at 18, I've got 18, almost 19, two 19 year olds, and then my 20, almost 21 year old son. So even at that age, I still can't get through to them.

It's like their heads are brick walls sometimes. And I also think that some of maybe his posts, hopefully he's grown or done a little studying on it. Some of the things said when the trans community was becoming so much more well-known or like just I don't know. I feel like, and you could probably know this more than me.

I mean, I do have, I am in the world some, but like, I feel like it just came about not long ago where it was actually something talked about and something that people are actually getting educated on. So I feel like part of Ryan might've just been living in a little bit of ignorance. Like, and I don't mean that negative. I'm not trying to say that derogatory. I'm literally saying like, he didn't study it. He didn't understand it.

He doesn't know it. He doesn't, and people- you know, new things sometimes scare people. And so maybe he was just spouting off. I don't even know anything about these posts, by the way. So I don't, I haven't read them. I haven't heard about them. You are educating me on him right now. Um, but I, I do have a little bit of grace for people. I mean, even with my situation, I sometimes have to inform people and educate them and they're not trying to be mean. They're not trying to be phobic. They just don't understand it. So I, you know, I try to have grace for both sides of that. Um, but I do not believe in any hate.

And I, so that's what's, I'm kind of, I'm kind of a little bit perplexed when you say that he had some, he was spouting hate and, and things because I was, I must've been in my own world. It was probably right when my mom was dying. And so I was just, just caretaking for her and I did nothing. And I didn't watch TV. I didn't do any, didn't any, I was just a caretaker, but it must've been during that time because I really am like stupid to that.

I don't know.

So yeah, no.

And listen, Tamara is not Tamara is, is, is the farthest thing from hating. She loves everyone and everybody and believes in all equality.

So. Yeah, no, 1000%.

And that's why for me, this has nothing to do with Tamara. Right. And I just know that as a parent is, it's, it's, it's, it must be challenging because it doesn't reflect how you raise your kid.

You know what I mean? Like, yes, a lot of the things are.

Started in the home for the large majority of it, but that's not everyone's story. And I wanted to acknowledge that I applaud Tamara for standing up for what was right and calling her son out on it personally, right?

Saying like, and then publicly. Well, yeah. And on Watch What.

Happens Live, she spoke out against it. And she spoke out against it a few years ago as well on her social media. So she's always been somebody who made it very clear, this does not represent me, right? And I'm sure as a parent, it's even hard to publicly go against your kid. When you're doing it privately too.

So I applaud Tamara a great deal for handling it in a way that I can only imagine it.

Had to be tough for her. I agree.

But I also love this scene because it showed that, you know, they are kind of making it over that hurdle because you are going to have hiccups with your kids. It doesn't matter how perfect your family is. There is no perfect family. So it's like, you are going to have hurdles. And, and the fact that they kind of overcome came this and now you see them together and they're actually being cordial and happy together. It's, it's cool.

It was a, it's a good. You know, maybe Ryan has, maybe he has reflected or learned a little bit more or educated himself a little bit more about certain situations and, people on this planet that need just as much love and understanding. Yeah.

One of the other emotional moments was when Tamara was taking her granddaughter Ava to give.

Her the gift.

And they stopped by a portrait that had Tamara, Eddie, um, Ryan.

It was, you know, this was a photo when they were younger. Um, in addition to her wedding.

So it was 13 years ago or 12 years ago. It was, or it's from their wedding.

And how, um, Tamara asked, do you know who she is? And Ava's like, no. And she'd go, that's my daughter, Sydney. And she got choked up and she goes, hopefully one day you could meet her.

Um, Isn't that crazy? 11-year-old Ava never met Sidney. So it's been 11 years. It took me back in time, too, because I couldn't remember how long it had been since. And Tamara and I do talk about these things. But it took me back to where that it's really been at least 11 years since they've had the falling out.

So it must have happened right after her wedding because her and Eddie have only been together, I think, 11 or 12 years. So she was in that photo. Sidney was in that photo. So it must have happened just in the last, you know, 11 years. I mean, that's just crazy. That's a long time to go with that. And I know it breaks Tamara's heart. Oh, I know it.

Oh, no. The fact that she couldn't even finish her sentence without her voice cracking.

Yeah.

Well, let me just clear this up, too. The whole thing that it's because of Tamara's career is not true. That is not the falling out between them. I don't want to go into any more detail. I'm just going to say I know that that is not it. So everyone that wants to say, oh, it's because Tamara kept this job and she chose the job over her kid, that is so... not true and I want everyone to just take a pause and just understand that there's a lot more to it and just leave it alone.

And I just want to add to it too the reason why people are saying that the ones who are saying it is because that's what Sydney said. So and Tamara obviously has said as much as she could in terms of that's not the reason.

Right. And out of respect to Sydney Tamara has.

Not He just, she's just chosen to.

Zip it based on the fact that her daughter at one point in time felt that their situation was being used as a storyline. And the moment that was alluded, Tamara stopped talking about it to, to make sure that Sydney felt like I, that's not my intention.

And I, Because I know you believe that or whatever.

Good.

It won't be addressed again. And I think Tamara, again, is tough.

I think everything she's doing now is to make sure that Sydney can see that I just want to be.

Her mom again. Yeah.

I just love you.

I mean, she wants to be her mom, but like an active mom.

I love you. I'm here for you with open arms whenever we can figure this out or if anything ever gets figured out. That is her stance.

And that's how.

I mean, can you imagine if your dog just turned the other way and just wouldn't talk to you?

It's tough.

Again, I've said this publicly. I think mothers are, I think mothers is the best profession in this universe.

It is.

I think without mothers, I think second is teachers. I think mothers are number one. I think mothers should be having a salary from the government regardless.

No, seriously. I think you should get a salary.

Oh, why?

Okay, 20 years ago, if you would have said that, I'd be all for it.

But now I'm done. I'm saying, like, that's a full-time job.

I think they're in a perfect world.

I wish, look at my little spoon. I know.

I was like, is that a pin? That's a really thick pin. I was trying to figure out what that was.

It's like a gavel.

What are you doing with your pin?

Okay, it's a little gavel. No, I just think like being a mom is, I think it's the toughest job in the world.

And I think, I think a lot of women would be stay at home moms if they got a healthy salary. I just, and you know, this being a stay at home mom as well, when your kids were younger, it's, And I'll speak on behalf of kids who have stay-at-home mothers. I literally am who I am because my mother stood home.

I could not imagine a world where I came home and she wasn't there and I had no one to bounce things off of. And that's why I applaud career women because it's tough to balance both. But I definitely believe that the government paid mothers a healthy salary for I think more women.

Possibly, possibly at least having the option of staying home because it's just tough. It's tough.

There's a lot of women though, too. And speaking from friends that I have that just can't, they just, it's like a teacher. Like I could not be a teacher. Like I don't think I could be a part-time teacher. I could not be a full-time teacher. So I agree with you. My hat goes off. I love them. They are so important. They change the trajectory of your entire children's path.

You know?

So they're hat off to them.

Love them.

I could not do that. There are many moms that feel the same way. Like they were like, when I was a stay at home, they're like, I don't know how you do it. Like you're there at carpool. I would be picking up their kids too. Coming over to my house and we'd be making Oreo, like little, like little, like animals out of the Oreo cookies or doing like, I'd have projects set up. They'd be like, how do you do this? How are you like? And I'm like, I love it. I love it. You know, and I'm on a PTA. I'm on the KPA. I'm on reading The Room Mom. I'm reading the, you know, stories to everyone at story time. Like, I just loved it. And it was my thing. And there's moms that are like, get me up at nine and get me to work.

I'm five and I'll see my kids and I love them and I'll bathe them and I'll read my story time to them. But I do not need to be with them at two o'clock when they get out of school.

And that's true. That's true.

And that's why I had to make sure to say if they had the option. So listen, we have a lot of mothers who listen to us.

So I want to know this. Me and Alexis want to know for mothers.

If there was the option, if you had the option, if you were getting paid more than six figures, being- Wait.

That's a stupid question. You can't say six figures. If you were just getting paid a decent salary, I mean, more than six figures, people are going to say, I don't care if I want to be a stay-at-home mom or not. I'm going to be a stay-at-home mom for the six figures because I'm like 90 grand or 80.

Okay, so we're going to do this. I'm going to ask- Google.

What is the median salary in the U.S.? Okay.

Between... Okay. They say $ 65, 000. Okay. Told you.

If you say offer somebody 100 grand or 120 grand when they're only making 60 grand, hell yeah, any mom that could not stand her kids is going to say I'll be a stay-at-home mom. I want my salary.

To do that?

Bitch, I'll put him in front of the TV and give him a Game Boy. Yes, I'll stay home. Okay, so mother- or maybe even a little bit less, to stay at home, would you stay at home or would you keep your career? You know how we sometimes listen to the polls and read them? Can we please read that one next week at the beginning?

Absolutely. That'll be fun.

I want to hear.

Okay, so mothers only.

If you have the option of making $ 65, 000 a year versus what you're making now, Would you be a stay-at-home mom or would you take the career instead?

Let us know in the comments. This is a fascinating poll, by the way. It really is.

And it has nothing to do, well, it kind of does have to do with Housewives because, I mean, that's where the show originated. But I was like, it has nothing to do with the gossip of any of us.

Because guess who would be, guess who would choose career for sure?

Tamara?

Vicky. Vicky.

Oh, oh, hail.

Yeah.

But you know what I have to say about her? Because I was her friend even when her kids were still kind of in and out of the house. She was still a very hands-on mom, even with her career.

Oh, but that's the thing.

And just so I'm clear, this isn't about you being a bad mom. I think it's what you said. I know tons of mothers who are like, one of my friends is a mom, and I called her for something, and I'm like, he's not in school? She said, Carlos, it's summer break. And I said, how are you dealing with this? She said, not well, bitch.

Well, can I speak a little, a little truth into this too? And my kids are old enough now and they probably would understand this, especially when they have kids, they'll get it. But by the end of summer, I don't care if you want to be a stay at home mom or not. You are like, please, Jesus, bring me that first day of school back. And then, you know, they're, you're getting them ready for school. And you're like, don't let the door hit you in the ass, you know, and then we go do backflips and we go get our pedicures and all the things we've not done for all summer. So I don't, I, I friend it's like, no, I'm I it's not going well I just put my kids and gross them in sports and and and crafts and um all those camps oh they were in camp

every day it was like camp two hours of this camp two hours of this swim camp then you're doing this camp where are those where are those creatures out Yes.

Yes. Yes. No, exactly. So let us know. I can't wait. Spotify comments or tweet.

This will be a fun poll.

YouTube comments too. YouTube comments too. Okay.

So, oh honey, Carmela finds out what Vicky said about her.

Obviously.

Can we take a moment of silence for Carmela's comments this episode? We just need one moment of silence.

Okay.

First of all, everything has an expiration. Okay. Comment or one moment of quiet.

Okay.

And then her next one was, God, I hope she has some good life insurance because I'm about to drop kick an OC.

OG.

I'm about to drop kick an OG. Oh, I literally fell off the couch. I literally was like, I, okay. Moment of silence. Okay. Thank you, Carmela.

Carmella, we thank you for your services, and I am demanding a second season contract for you, sister. Great rookie season so far, right? Like a really incredible rookie season for Carmella. I don't have any notes to share.

I agree. But you took the words out of my mouth.

When she learns about what Vicky said, she's like, The assurance comment.

Drop kicking an OG. Brilliant. Loved it so much.

So they're all together now. And look, she's aware of what Vicky is saying. Tamra Judge is back, stirring the pot.

Love it. You know, Carmella's making a toast. And Tamra's like, hold up. I know what this toast is about to be about.

No, no.

She's like, she's not making a toast. She's like, I know what she's getting ready to ask. She's going to ask something.

Get ready.

Everybody, all the housewives are like this. All the housewives are like, give me my seatbelt. Lock it. Seatbelt's on. Okay, we're ready. Who's getting in the car accident today?

Baby.

Okay, because there's no cops that's going to give you guys a TikTok dance.

Because Carmella is about to stomp on your asses. So in this moment....

Look, Carmella confronts Vicky and says that, I heard what you said. You're saying that Danny raises the kids, you know, and Vicky's like, my words are getting twisted.

Right, Shannon? And Shannon's like, Um, sorry, you did say it.

And then they flashed back to it though, Carlos. And then they flashed back and she said those exact words. That's what I'm saying. I laughed at that though. I was like, Vicky literally doesn't even remember that what she says. She spouts off and then she doesn't mean it to be evil either. I don't think she's sitting there trying to be evil. I would just, you did say it.

How can you not remember saying it? How can you not remember?

She said it verbatim. It works because Danny is raising the kids.

I will say this.

And I don't give Shannon a lot of compliments, but I will say I appreciated Shannon standing up for the truth. Oh, yeah.

Well, she can't lie because it's on footage. They're going to go back there now. Shannon's going to look like a liar. Every house they're going to flash back to the scene. So you can't say no when it's on scene and there's a camera right there. You know the truth is going to be played. Three, two, one, play it.

Which is true. Which is true. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. So she's like, sorry, Vicky, you said it.

And Vicky is just sort of like not trying to hear it. And Carmella feels like Vicky is trying to discredit her. And Vicky, again, in that moment is like, why are we talking about this? I would never try to discredit you. And then Jen is like, look, you even admitted that you pick on me because I'm new.

And Carmella says to Vicky, well, she's new here now. Vicky's like, I'm an OG and I started this franchise. And Carmella said, well, honey, everything has an expiration. Yeah.

Honey, I'm telling you that's going down in housewife history. That's one of the, that's one of Carmela's. I mean, Carmela is a rookie and already has like seven one-liners or like good comebacks. I mean, that's definitely going down in history. That is, that is like Tamara going. That's my opinion.

Yes.

That is at the same level of that.

Okay.

Sorry, Tam, but yeah, you got your, someone matched your, your wittiness.

Oh, it's hysterical. It was good. It was good. It was, listen, it was excellent.

But we got to give another soundbite to someone that was also good. When Gina goes, Carmela has big balls, but not bigger than Travis.

How did it ever, you know what I was thinking when I heard that, when she said that? And I know it's the running joke. How did it ever come about that people start talking about Travis's balls? It had to be her because there's no other housewife that saw his balls. So she's just out talking about her boyfriend's balls?

I know. How did that come about, Carlos? I don't know. Jamie, do you know? But first of all, Jamie said Heather was it. So I was right. It was Heather in that scene.

Okay.

With Shannon and Vicky when Vicky made that comment.

At the spa or whatever.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Okay. But Jamie, do you know why? I don't remember.

Spencer might know this too. I don't know either, but it's like, where did that come from?

I don't know because I did, there was a period I stopped watching OC because Tamara left.

Okay, sorry, Evolution.

You lost a viewer. You lost a viewer. No Tamara, no show, my world.

Sorry.

Just saying.

I just wonder what that scene was where his balls accidentally got, because you know that probably is something that they wished wouldn't have come up, but then it didn't. You have to roll with it and just own it. You just got to go with it.

Because it was the wink at the camera for me, like And I felt so stupid, like, did this happen during the two seasons I stopped watching?

Like, when did she talk about Travis Big Balls?

Okay, so move.

Let's go. Let's go on.

Okay, I'm back. I'm back.

Listen, to have a rookie stand up to Vicky, superb. And you could tell in that moment, because Vicky was literally trying to, like, change the subject.

And, you know, because....

In Carmella's defense, right, at least just own it. And we can move past it. And I appreciated Jen saying, look, and you said this too, Alexis, Vicky hazes the new girl. And if that's your thing, that's your thing. Giselle Bryant doesn't on Potomac Housewives. It is a real thing when the OG hazes the new girls just to see if you have what it takes. And I do believe that Carmella, like any other woman, would be hurt. To make that sort of comment about Danny raising the kids.

It is a fucked up thing to say. It just is.

It's because that there's an unspoken rule also in housewives when you become a housewife that the hazing is fine. Like, I don't think there's anything wrong with the hazing. The one thing that they do say is kids and businesses are off limits. Like don't talk, don't bring those. There's enough drama to go on. You don't need to bring a kid or a business into it. Cause you affecting the livelihood of, you know, cause the show is not really your livelihood. You're you got to have something on the side. Um, You never know when you're going to get canned. You know, you could get canned after one hit wonders. There's a lot of one hit wonders. So, like, I just think that that's where it came in. That's

where it hurt. Carmel is like, this is my kids. And when you, especially when you are such a devoted mom, it's just like, just like knife in the heart, you know. I also think Vicky, I think Vicky really did forget saying it. I don't think she remembered. Cause did you see her face? She's like, I didn't say that if I would have said it. So she probably meant Danny's there to help with the kids and then said, Danny's raising the kids.

I don't know.

I don't know where that is. I don't know why she would even say that because nothing even gives there's, there's nothing in Carmela and Danny's relationship that even makes it makes you feel like that. Like with Shane and Emily, you can tell Shane's doing the majority of the house. We can tell he's the home, you know, but I don't, I never got that feeling at all with Carmela. So I don't know why Vicky would just, spout off and say that.

You know?

I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree.

I think, um, I think the moment that Heather checked her in Vegas about like, stop it off limits, shut it down. That's when Vicky should have known in that moment, moving forward, don't bring up the kids.

Note to self. Right.

Like note to self.

So the problem though, Alexis, is Vicky made another distasteful comment relating to Carmella and her kids. And at this point, it's like repeat behavior that goes to show you Yes.

You do believe it. Like, I think... So, I'm from the school of this. She inherently believes that.

And Carmella, we saw this scene. You and I both agree with this, especially you being a mother. One thing Kate Casey, another podcaster, who's a friend of mine, said... She said, I love when new housewives join the show that have teen children... Because you get to really see their parenting skills through the eyes of the teens because they don't give a shit.

They're just honest. Carmella's kids love her. Their relationship is beautiful.

They're friends.

They're friends. They love their mom.

And I think that Danny being around for 10 years, right?

They have their own relationship with him.

Well, I'm sorry. They're adults now because they're, like, what? All, like, around 20, like, 18 to 20. They're, like, all talking about going to college and all that with Carmela's kids.

But, like.

But they... So then they were 10. You know, 10-ish. That's... They're still... you know, being raised a lot by Danny. I mean, my kids were withdrew from 10 to 15 and, and, and, and had a lot of memories and felt like he was definitely a father figure to them for those five years. You know, now it's been like five years, but I mean, so Danny has been a very, very important part of their life.

Yeah.

I'm still sad about that, by the way. I mean, we all kind of knew it was coming and you could see the tension, but I'm still sad for them. You know, it's easy for Carmela and Danny right now and the whole thing.

Um, I agree.

I agree.

And listen, Carmella's been a class act, not saying too much about the breakup.

Right.

Well, listen, we may get more at the reunion, but as of now, she hasn't.

Right.

And I actually respect that. I honor that.

I honor that because you don't need just because you're on a reality show doesn't mean you have to give every single detail of, you know, every dirty mistake. It's like it sucks to break up. And they obviously didn't want to. She's been waiting. She hasn't done it in the past three years that she knew he cheated. So she was waiting and just really trying to see if she could get through it.

Yeah, I agree with that.

What did you think about Vicky's conversation with Jen and Emily in terms of how they felt she treated them in the house?

Vicky felt like you guys.

don't feel responsible at all for what happened.

And they're like, no. And Carmella calls out the hypocrisy.

Like, how can you feel like they're responsible for how you're feeling when I'm trying to tell you you're responsible for how I'm feeling about what you said? But when it came to the whole Vicky, Jen, and Emily debate, one thing Tamara did say is she met with Vicky.

And she did feel that Vicky was remorseful.

But in this scene, it doesn't feel like Vicky is owning any parts of what happened.

And I think she has to, for sure. I agree.

I didn't know. I was kind of surprised by that, too. Because I thought after thinking it through and then them actually leaving, that the next scene we saw with all of them together, Jen. Emily and Vicky, I thought that there would definitely be some remorse on Vicky's side or just like, I'm sorry. I know I got, you know, I got ahead of myself or I know that I was, but I do have a different take on that too, which I'm not going to probably be in popular vote. But Vicky did say several times, let's just drop it and move on.

And let's, it doesn't mean you can't ask me other questions and get to know me. It doesn't mean that we can't still have fun and talk about other things, but like we're beating a dead horse. And I did kind of feel Like I put myself in a scene like that. And I did feel like Emily and Jen were just not going to give up on the dead horse.

Like they were going to keep beating it until Vicky stopped and just dealt with it again. And Vicky's like, we've already talked about this. Like, let's just, can we just move on? And it never happened. So I don't know. I feel, but I think Vicky needed to own the fact that, okay, I did say I'm done. I'm taking my mic off. I'm over this. I did overreact a little bit. It was uncomfortable enough to make the girls leave.

So it was definitely tension, you know? What do you think?

I think this. I think in order to beat a dead horse, the horse has to be alive. And I think the problem is this.

The horse never existed because Vicky never addressed it. Like, the problem with Vicky to me this season is she doesn't want to address anything.

So to your point, when they catch her saying things, I didn't say it. Let's say for argument's sake, right?

Okay.

Okay, fine. Let's say she forgot. She forgot. She forgot. You don't even want to be reminded what you did say. I didn't say that. Well, actually, you did. Whatever. Why are we talking about this? Let's move on.

Well, because you said it.

Because you said it. And in order for us to move on, we have to address it. So I think the problem with Vicky, which is why I do think Carmella's right. I think Vicky's expiration date is season 20.

Um.

I would bet the farm on... I don't think... Whether it's mutual or not, that's not my business. I just don't see a world where Vicky comes back next season.

I think... I think Vicky strictly... You know what's so interesting?

As the producer of reality television who did 10 years of Housewives, when we would cast new women... The most fascinating thing to me, Alexis, would always be on their casting tape. They would be so bravado-ish. Yeah, I feel this way. I feel that way. Yeah, I know that person. I feel like she's this, she's that. We're like, okay.

They have all these opinions. The moment you put them in the scene, they vanish.

They vanish. And you're sort of like, what happened to this person that had opinions?

Yeah, where's the one from the The tape, you know?

And what I realized is.

They just aren't a fit for this particular type of show. And you respectfully let them go, right? Not a bad person, did nothing wrong. But I think it's like this. Anybody in 2026... that signs on to be a housewife.

Right.

You like having the gavel in the hand.

Okay.

Anybody in 2026 that signs on to be a housewife, you know what you're signing up for.

I don't want to hear.

You better have done some due diligence. Hello. Don't be a moron and go, I've never watched it.

I've never.

I don't know what I'm doing around here.

Yes, you do.

You have seen enough clips, even on Instagram, when you're just going... You've seen clips, you know what it's about.

You know precisely what it's about.

And it's okay that you don't have the personality for it. I'm saying that to say, I think Vicky just doesn't... And it's nothing wrong.

I think.

based on what she's given to the show, this isn't the show she signed up for that she did 20 years ago. And I'm learning that strictly based on, if I'm sticking to just the episodes, I'm learning this, Alexa, just based on the lack of accountability and the avoidance of confrontation.

The avoidance of the head-on conversation.

Yeah.

And that's why next week, when Alexis Jansen makes her epic return to the show.

Carlos, let's just move on. Let's skip to episode 15.

No, I think just skip that fucking game of coconuts and knees. Like, what the fuck?

Oh, and see, I loved that. I was like, I want to do this at my next party. You don't... So you didn't like it. You were over it. I thought it was cute.

No, it was cute. No, I'm joking. Listen, listen, listen.

I liked it.

I liked it too. But here it is.

It's hard to recap those type of moments because it's like, hey, Alexis. So they had coconuts and they had the pat. So for me, it.

Was like, I enjoyed it because I always like to see the ladies have fun. But of course, I'm like, there's nothing to recap.

How are we going to talk about that? Can we try to do it through the camera?

Like, okay, move it up. Come on. Shimmy it.

Up.

This is my iron pills. And then I'm going to pass it up.

Well, you're getting a good ab workout, okay? We can leave it at that.

I do. I do.

I do.

So that's all I was like, skipping this and hitting straight to the next one. So next week, Raindrops, Alexis Jansen makes her epic return. To season 20 of The Real Housewives of Orange County. What we do know that Alexis was so graciously able to do, tease us a little bit of a moment. So to recap the moment that Alexis told us weeks ago, we know that there's one out of three women that I mentioned that made Alexis cry.

So the names were Emily, Heather, and Vicky. We will find out next week which woman made our group.

cry.

And guess what, Raindrops? I'm not standing for it. And I am going to speak out against it.

Well, you don't even know yet. And here's the thing, Carla.

I don't care. You don't deserve it.

I have enough thick skin that even if you think I am wrong, well, first of all, we're going to have to hear what really happened. You know what I'm saying? If they don't show what really happened, then you're going to really hear it. So we have to know what really happened. But then I'm fine with you saying, Lex, like you.

You know, it's like- I know you are.

It's fine. You don't have to be like all like, you know- you know, kissing my butt about everything. Just be like, God, girl, you were a fricking, you know, what happened to you? What was wrong with you? I don't think you're going to say that though, but we'll see. We won't know till it airs.

I'll say this. I know you well enough to know you never start anything.

One, you're, you're definitely right.

Okay. I, I, I feel like I know you well enough to know you, you don't start anything, but you never back down to confrontation either.

No, not scared of confrontation.

Uh, well, okay.

I got to leave it there. I'll leave it there. There could be, maybe I'm kind of over it kind of aspect to it, but Yeah, I don't back down and I'm not scared. Let's just say that.

Yes.

And there's a difference between not, I'm sorry, there's a difference between backing down to something, but also feeling like you're beating a dead horse.

What the fuck are we doing here? There's a difference.

Or that I'm not a cast member.

Well, maybe. I mean.

I was just attending a party.

Alexis. Alexis. Alexis. We call that a smart business woman.

If you want a confrontation, contact Spencer at... Let's talk about the money.

We're going to have a great episode with all that.

Yeah. Okay. Just wait.

Put a pin in it. Hey, put a pin in it.

Look, look, look. Put a pin in it.

Or hang the spoon up to dry.

Okay. Okay. That's all I'm saying. So listen, raindrops... This episode was good. Another good one. This season is getting, getting, getting, getting, getting hotter, hotter, spicier.

But next week, oh, Raindrops, I literally cannot wait to sit down and chat with my girls.

You're going to be disappointed now. Now you're like.

No, listen.

I don't care if you're shown for two minutes. I love seeing you on that show.

You know that. So I'm a fan. We're not only friends. I'm a fan. So as a fan, to see you back, I love it. And yes, it will be my birthday episode, Raindrop.

And my one-year anniversary episode.

Yes!

We have that in common. So we leave right after our episode that we tape. We leave on another little, we're doing a staycation this weekend, but we leave on a little two-day thing. But are you not doing your normal? I'm not going to say where you're going.

No, it's funny. Not this year. Not this year.

All right.

There's so much going on.

This is the first time in a lot of years though.

Like maybe like four or five. Yeah. But I'm making them for later this year. Ah, okay. And that wasn't for big balls either.

She did that twice this episode. You know that, right? She did the.

I love Gina. I just. She's good.

Woody comments.

I love her.

I'm a, I'm a huge Gina fan. So I think she's fantastic. But yes, we have a lot to celebrate next Friday. So, Rangra, you will see Alexis and I again. But please make sure you answer our question.

Mothers only, though. Leave a comment. Oh, yes, that. Yes.

We do want that. I want to start with that poll. I think that's just kind of fun. And I want to know. I think it could be 50-50. I think there's a lot of moms that will want to go to work no matter what because they just need that. That's their thing. And then there's some moms that would stay home if they had the opportunity.

Yeah.

So let us know. Alexis, I love you, sister. I will see you next week. And Raindrops, answer the poll.

And we will see Alexis back next Thursday and back here next Friday, okay?

Yep.

Bye.

Love you, boo.

Bye-bye.

Bye.

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