VICKI’S 90-DAY FIANCÉ?! | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen

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On today's episode of Reality with the King, Alexis Jansen and I. Listen, Fridays is so fun because Alexis and I get to not only recap episodes, Season 20 of the Real Housewives of Orange County, we get to like see each other gossip and talk about all the work we got done to our face.

We first came on guys and I, we weren't recording yet, but I said, okay.

Why are you glowing? Did you get a facial?

But now I think from his smirky little look, I think he just had a little fun last night that went into the wee hours of the morning.

No, I think that's happening this weekend, if I'm being honest with you.

Precursor, you've got the precursor glow because you know it's coming soon. Okay, okay.

I think that's happening this weekend, if I'm being honest with you, Alexis. No.

So the funny thing is, ask any man, ask John this, and ask Spencer.

For men, our facelift is getting a haircut.

I totally thought you just shaved your hair, your baldness completely beautifully done.

To the, like, look at that. There is not one follicle anywhere on there.

That's all it is. I got a haircut.

Alexis, I got a haircut 10 minutes before we were recording.

And you made it on time? Wow.

Well, it ended, let me rephrase that. It ended 10 minutes ago.

Oh my God. Did you have them come to your hotel? By the way, where are you?

I'm at a hotel. I'm being honored. Yes, I'm in Atlanta. I'm being honored.

It's Gay Pride Weekend in Atlanta. And there's a gala happening tonight where I'm getting an award.

Okay.

And what is this award for?

It is actually, it's for.

Like outstanding achievement in arts and entertainment. So shout out to Atlanta Gay Black Pride.

So yeah. Round of applause. Round of applause.

Round of applause.

Okay, proud of you.

That's my friend, guys. That's my friend, okay?

Yes, yes. So I'm in Atlanta right now. So, girl, I have to call the barber and say... Do me right. I have a busy day.

Make sure I look the fuck good before I hit record as me and Alexis get into this episode of Horse County.

Because.

First of all, Alexa, you always look great.

The hair is giving me a little Farrah Fawcett tease too. So raindrops, you got to join YouTube. Subscribe to YouTube so you can see all the beautifulness that is Alexis Jansen.

Yeah, I just actually did my hair. Last week you got dirty hair thrown in a bun with glasses on. I was just totally like, you know, but today I've got a packed day too.

So it was like, okay, I've got to be up at six ready to go for the whole day. So yeah.

Oh, you're a busy lady today. Okay, okay, okay. Look at you. I know, I know.

Listen, the good thing is this. I am actually pretty stoked to talk about this episode.

I could tell.

Not only did you have the barber or, you know, fornication glow going on.

You have a glow of, I am really excited about this episode.

Listen, I was into this episode.

I thought a lot of things happened in this episode that I was like, okay.

Look, it's been a long journey, but Alexa was right.

She said, Carlos, just wait until the mid-season trailer shows up. And you predicted that things would be happening later. the way you and I like it. So look, I feel like we're heading in the right direction.

It's not as.

Explosive as past seasons, but I like the direction in which it's going.

So looking forward to it.

Let me ask you this.

What do you think happened in this episode that was different that made it a little bit better to watch?

Oh, you mean activate a Tamar judge?

Honey, that's like semi-activated.

She got, she's like on the scale of a one to 10. She was like, now she's been at a two. She was now at least a five.

I mean, we're getting somewhere. We're getting somewhere. We're getting somewhere.

Come on. Come on, Tammy Sue.

Save the day. Save the day. Save the day.

You know who isn't saving the day, honey?

Emily. Emily has a hard-on for the takedown of Heather Dubrow.

And look, Well, so do you. Why don't you call Emily? We're on a team together. You guys are on this island about it together.

And hey, who knows?

After a certain couple episodes, maybe I'm going to jump on your island.

I don't know. Listen, in all fairness. We shall see. Girl, we shall see.

But look, in all fairness, you may be very surprised by my take on this episode as.

It relates to it because, look, I'll say this much. I'll say this much.

I did enjoy seeing that Heather is being called out.

So let's get right into it.

Heather is with Carmela and honey, they are establishing a very interesting friendship. And the friendship is, you know, Heather wants Carmela to be her real estate agent.

To find her daughter a home in San Diego.

And she did not call Josh Altman, who is her and Terry's favorite realtor of all time. And she did not even call Gina, who is also a realtor, but she is using Carmela as the realtor. Now, look, there's two sets of thoughts here to me. Is Heather playing chess in the reality game of Housewives? Or is she really fond of Carmella? My thought is she's playing chess.

She needs somebody on her side the way she had Gina on her side years back when they went to New York City and shared a pizza on the streets of Times Square. That's what Heather does to me. So the fact that Heather has called Carmella trashy and said she doesn't belong in this group, now you're using her to find your.

Daughter a home in San Diego. I'm not buying.

It.

I've gone back and forth on this one because, you know, it is true that Carmela lives down, you know, in that area. I know her mansion down there is close to that area. So she knows the traffic going in and out. I loved her advice on if your daughter gets this you know, apartment, she might be stuck in 45 to an hour of traffic more than if she just got a different apartment.

That's, you know, I loved all that advice. So part of me.

Was like, eh, it makes kind of the sense that you would have her over Gina who's here.

But at the other, you know, perspective of.

That is Gina has been on the show for how many years with Heather now, known Heather how many years now, and has been a real estate, a very successful real estate agent for how many years now.

So why wouldn't you have just gone to Gina?

I don't know.

I'm kind of, I'm kind.

Of in agreement with you about, like, maybe she is playing chess. Maybe she felt so bad about calling her trashy that she's like, okay, let me throw her a bone since I effed up.

And I don't know.

I'm confused about this. I have to see more of these, like, the interaction between those two. And the reunion, I think, is good because there's a lot more season left to go. We're not even half nine. There's 17. I did get confirmation there's 17 from an inside source.

There is 17 before the reunion.

Oh, that's a lot of episodes. Okay, good. Yeah, so it's.

Going to be 19 to 20, two-part reunion or three. It's going to be 19 to 20 episodes is what it's going to be.

So that's what Beverly Hills was. So I don't know. There's a lot more meat on this bone for me to figure out what I feel.

Well, I think the meat on this bone is what Heather is throwing Carmella.

She's throwing her bone, right?

I think she's throwing her bone to say, Join me in this group because these other ladies aren't feeling you.

This is what I'm thinking.

I think Heather had no idea that these ladies were going to go against her when this season started. The season started. She felt like she was in a good place. She was shocked at her party in episode one that Jen told Tamara what she said about her, putting her in a box. Heather was clearly offended by that. She really was offended by Jen saying, Jen, I thought we were friends. Then at Tamara's party. Emily's on her back and she's like, yo, Emily, chill out. She was surprised that Emily, you know, had a heart on for her.

And now that these women are calling her out, I think psychologically, listen.

Heather's smart.

Heather's only worry in life is whether or not Saks will open up in time for her to buy a Dior bag. You know, that's the only worry she has. So with that being said, Alexa- I don't.

Think she carries Dior, to be honest. I think you're about two scales low on what she carries.

Oh, let me tell you something. You know why I said Dior?

Because of Carmela's gifts.

No.

Queen, oh.

I happen to be on TikTok.

Oh. And Heather- was on TikTok in her closet. She opened up a Dior bag and she sang the song, I'm not, I'm unrelatable.

I'm not, no, listen, listen.

Wait, wait, what am I missing? No, no, no, tell me. I'm having an airhead moment right here.

I don't get it. No, no, no, no, you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not.

Let me tell you something. I'm going to show this to you. So raindrops, that's why you have to Go on.

None of it's linking in my brain of how that's cute or where I'm missing something. I need to see it.

Oh, honey. What's missing is humility.

So let me tell you what happened. So Heather Dubrow, like I said, she obviously is on TikTok. And there was a video she posted carrying a Chanel bag.

I'm going to play it for you. You ready for it? I'm ready.

I don't get it. Like she's.

Why is she saying Unrelatable? Because she got a custom one. She ordered a custom one.

No. Okay.

This is when you're having a blonde moment, and I'm going to school you what Heather's doing.

Thank you. Please do.

Okay. Rest in peace, Natalie Cole. Okay.

So, you know, Natalie Cole has a song called Unforgettable with her dad.

Okay. Heather is saying Unrelatable.

Heather is owning the fact that I am Unrelatable as she is opening up a....

A bag that is a new Dior bag. So she pretty much is owning the fact that I am unrelatable and I'm fine with that.

So she's leaning into the fact that as a wealthy woman who lives in Beverly Hills, but is on Orange County housewives, that she is able, that is a crocodile, right? Oh, I know.

That's like a $ 30, 000 Dior bag.

So what she's saying is What she's saying is Carmela can buy whatever bag she wants for everyone else, which, by the way, I did the math on this. She owes now everybody in that group $ 3, 000 gifts because now you're going to piss someone off if you don't.

So there are seven women she's paying. She's $ 21, 000 into the season from her non-amount of money that you make as a brand new housewife. I did the math.

I'm like.

Plus tax. She's like 25 grand in here. And she got a t-shirt and a scarf.

I mean, I'm.

Girls.

I can't wait for the next birthdays. I want all of them to have birthdays, see what they come up with. But anyway, I think you're right. So maybe she's, Heather is saying you're unrelated. I'm unrelatable because I'm getting a crocodile Dior. Well, Carmela is giving everyone $ 3, 000 to yours.

Yeah.

Crocodile custom was 30,000 and your crop, your, your, all your Dior bags are around three grand.

So wow. Wow.

Wow.

I never saw it because I'm not on TikTok. And I mean, I have an account, but I just never go on it. But I, wow, Carlos, I, this is really just.

I mean, you just, you just opened up this episode with a really, there we go.

Okay.

My thinking cap has to get on.

How the, okay. How, well, let me ask you this.

Let's, let's have a real conversation.

Is that tone deaf?

Well, for me, it was because I didn't even get it.

I was tone deaf.

So you pointed it out, but I don't know.

I mean, I would, I really would love to get inside Heather's mind and say why maybe she wasn't even, you know, I have done, I'm going to, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I have done things on national television or with you even that I have thought one thing in my mind and then everyone else perceived it another way. And I'm like, oh my gosh, that's not at all what I meant. That's not at all what I was doing or that, you know, that's not what was going in my mind. I would love to hear what Heather's real reason was for that song. And that unrelatable is it that the bag is unrelatable because it's, I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't tone deaf. So is, is it that

the bag is unrelatable because it is a custom bag.

So she's not saying it as a punch to anyone. Could that be possible?

I think anything is possible. Listen, I will say this.

I don't mind anybody who owns who they are and they don't try to pretend they are relatable.

So my thing with Hebda Bro is this.

What she displayed to me is exactly who I've always seen her to be.

And let's be clear.

I'm not saying I have a problem with it. I, Carlos King, personally don't have a problem with it.

Okay.

Because that's who she is. And I, as a reality producer, I.

Want women, men, gays and gays, whomever, I want you to be who you are. Just don't pee in my face and tell me that it's raining, right? Don't make it seem like No, I like going to eat New York City pizza. And no, all my friends aren't fancy. I have regular friends. No, this is who you are.

And I like it. And I will say this.

I think that's the reason why the girls, meaning the housewives, her castmates, have a big issue with her. It's because they're sort of like, just fucking own it.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm kind of getting that feeling too.

I'm kind of getting that feeling from the girls that that's why they're rubbed wrong, you know?

And I mean, we only see a snippet of, you know, what's really taped.

So there could be even more or whatever, but I do feel like they're just kind of like, okay, everyone else is owning their crap these days.

Like we just need you to just, just own it too.

And I think it's, listen, I think it's only right.

I think it's fair that these women feel that that way, because at the end of the day, They're all on the show together, trying their best to give their real life. And for fancy pants to talk shit about people behind their backs, in this case, Carmella, only to all of a sudden be chummy chummy with her.

I do agree with them. It does look confusing.

And that's why for me, I am not upset that these ladies are calling her out.

I think it's the right thing to do, personally.

Yeah.

I mean, that's what this show is about though.

I mean, in all reality, that's, that's what this show is all about. And every housewife show is about calling people out for what you're bothered with conflict resolution.

So yeah.

And you know, I mean, it, it seems like Heather's letting it all roll off. So maybe she is handling it right. You know, she's kind of letting, she's not getting all like upset about it. She's just kind of like letting it go. You know, she's like, She's like, when they were in shopping for sunglasses, she was like, yeah, they're like, isn't that what's happening?

Everyone is coming at me this season.

You know?

So she didn't get all upset. She didn't start to cry. She just let it go.

Yeah.

I had to make light of it.

This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

Before we get to that.

Too, because I can't wait to talk about her reaction when the girls told her what was going on, because to me, she kind of broke the fourth wall to you and I. I can tell you saw that too. What did you think about the ladies? So Tamara, Emily, and Jen, they are talking about Vicky. And what they revealed is while they were in Vegas, apparently Vicky's boyfriend, Mike, was there for a couple of hours. Vicky did not show him on camera. When they stopped filming, he emerged and the girls found out after cameras were down and the crew was wrapped that her boyfriend's there. And they're talking about how Vicky always makes excuses to leave early.

And Emily is like, the reason why I call her Debbie Downer is because She seems to tone it down. And they're wondering if Vicky is toning down her personality, leaving early, doing all these things because of Mike and her trying to become the woman Michael.

Wants her to be.

But what do you think before I answer?

I think 100%.

I think, and I'm basing this off of watching Vicky since she was married to Don. You know, when she complained that Don wasn't filling her love tank, listen, she's not the first and she won't be the last woman To be in a long marriage and all of a sudden feel like who we met when we got married, I may not recognize that same person again. Or recognize myself, right?

And that's fair. That's totally fair, right? So then she started dating Brooks. Oh, honey, when she was dating Brooks and you were there, boo, you were there, okay? I didn't recognize Vickie. Neither did her children. You know, Brianna called it out. Like, who the fuck are you, right? So then when it came to Mike, knowing that in one scene, she talks about when she's around Mike, she pulls his pants down. And then when the ladies bring it up, she's like, don't talk about that.

It's inappropriate.

And she doesn't want to talk about the fact that Mike is dangling this ring that In front of her face to the point where he's given her 90 days, she survived 70 days, fucked up, and then she has to start back over from the beginning.

That to me is.

And I'm going to say this and I'm not going to take it back, that to me is a form of emotional control.

Well, I don't even know if I believe that that even happened. I mean, I would love to know if that's true or not.

And anything that is said on this TV show, it goes for truth and that it was done and it is what it happened and this and that.

And it isn't always the case. I would love to know if that really did happen with Mike, where.

He said to one of them the 90 days and she only made it 70.

But I feel like, you know, are you watching Ultimate Girls Trip?

Yes, I am. Okay.

So I'm going to take us on a little journey here.

Okay.

Your raindrops mentioned to us on one of our polls that we did that you won and I lost, which I'll never let you live down.

Unanimously, I might add, but go ahead.

Shut the front door right now.

I jumped through that computer screen and arm-wrestled you because these, look at this.

Look at that, what my trainer's doing. Watch out.

Show yours.

Let me see. Let me see.

Who can... Oh shit. You got me. You know what?

I bet I could hold the wall, the wall squat, but longer than you, mister.

You could.

Let's, let's do the wall squat. Cause there's something I can win.

Okay.

I'll be unanimous on that one.

Anyway.

So when we were listening to girls or.

When we were listening to all of those reviews and they were like, no, Alexis, I'm going to give you grace because you haven't caught up with the ultimate girls. So what I feel, I don't think it's Mike and I love Vicky. So I hope she doesn't get mad at me for saying this. Cause I am a team Vicky and I do want her on my screen. I feel like she's going to watch this season and realize that she was, um, kind of Debbie Downer also.

Okay.

Hold on a second. My gate is calling me. Hold on one second. Hello.

Alexis.

Good morning. Ray calling.

Yes. From the gate.

Yeah. I have a gentleman from LA solar. Oh my gosh. Yes.

Let him in. Oh my gosh. They didn't call me.

Yes.

I need him in. Thank you.

Okay. Bye. Oh my gosh.

My, my son is going to have to go handle him. They didn't tell me he was coming today. My solar panels all went out. Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry, Carlos. The gate calls. That's weird.

Um, Okay, so anyways, when all those comments came back, I watched The Ultimate Girls Trip.

I got caught up for this Friday for To Be With You, here with you.

And I feel like Vicky's going to rewatch this season and go, I was a little bit like, I just see this air about her like she doesn't even really want to be there. It's almost like she's grown out of it. She thought she wanted to come back, but she kind of outgrew it. That's how I feel. I don't feel like it's Mike. I don't feel like it's that she's trying to, I think that she does.

I mean, all of us do.

Like there was a scene where I said something about, oh, John, I'm just going to wear the heels later on the night when you see me on the, you know, on the phone or whatever, when I was filming and they caught that on camera.

That's not real. I don't really want that out there. So you kind of like backpedal and you're like, oh God, that was kind of a stupid thing to do on camera, you know? But so maybe she did take that back.

I don't think he's controlling her in that way. I think she just does want to preserve it. She doesn't want him to you know, complain to her and be like, why are you putting our personal life out there so much? You know, I know you're in the reality world, but can you just tone it back a little? I don't know. I, I, I think she's just a little burnt out on it.

And I think she needs to rewatch it. I hope they don't let her go.

I'm sorry.

Raindrops and everybody else. I, I love watching her. I just think she's tired and needs to pump it up a little for next season.

If she comes back.

I think she's, I agree with you. And when you say.

That one second, hold on miles. LA Solar is here. I need you to go handle him and just tell him I'm on a Zoom. No one called me, but he can just, he can check out my solar, all the solar stuff. Throw on some, yeah, throw on some hands. They just came through the gate. We have no solar right now. So I need, I need help. I'm sorry.

I'm working.

Thank you, honey. You're a working mom. I love it.

I mean, if they would have told me they were coming, I could have pushed you back a little or said, let's start early or whatever. I mean, we could have been, don't just show up at my gate. I mean, hello. I know it's an emergency because I need my solar working, but.

You need it working. No, trust me, sister. I get it. I get it. You know what's funny?

I have Vicky in my podcast last year and during the taping, Alexis, She answered so many emails and was answering phone calls.

Just like on.

Girls Trip when she's on the van and she's emailing and she's.

Like, I'm working, working and working. I don't need to be on your car ride two hours.

I mean, I get it. I get it. I get it. It's all good. And that's why, look, I love Vicky. I agree with you. I think Vicky wanted it.

I think when she got it, the environment isn't her.

I do think two things can be true.

I do think Vicky, from what I've watched, I do think Vicky adapts to the personality.

The man she's dating wants her to have. I do believe that, right?

I think that having a partner is very important to Vicky, and I understand that.

I like having a partner. It's important to me.

Right.

I do think what she's also trying to do, because it is very complex.

I think she.

Also just doesn't want to repeat history where the show does damage to her relationship.

And for that, I can get it.

But that's when you also have to make the choice.

And it's a very difficult one to make. It really is. And I don't take this lightly.

That's when you have to choose what's more important, this show or my future with this man.

Well, see, and that's where I don't think that's where her I don't think that's where her mind is feeling. I feel like it's not about the man.

I feel like it's about I took my orange back. I thought it was going to be one way because now imagine how long it's been since she's had an orange. She's had an orange because she had a fringe friend role and she's been making cameos. But since she's had a full orange, I think you told me it was six years ago or whatever.

Yeah.

The show is a new animal now.

Because even when I did Friend of three years ago, it is a completely different animal.

It is not the same.

It is very much more intense. You are filming a lot more than you did back when I was doing seasons five through eight. There's a lot more to it because that's just what happens. It's just growth. It's not anyone's doing anything or trying to make it more difficult on the girls.

It just has.

evolved into what it is now. And I think Vicky chewed more than she could handle. I think that she thought she was going to get her orange back and it was going to be one way. And then when she got into it, it's this whole other, so much more time consuming, so much more demanding, so much more involved, so many more fights that happen. And she's like, wow, this is just exhausting me. And maybe I shouldn't have taken the orange, but she still wants it.

That's the thing. I think she still wants it.

I think she still wants to be on the show, but I think she's kind of guessing or second guessing herself now being like, wow, this is a lot more than I thought, you know? And she has to run her Kodo insurance.

So I don't know. I don't think it's like as much as everyone else. But you have the Kodo insurance. It's true.

No, it is true. It is true. It is true. Yeah.

So listen, the thing is the ladies have every right to be a little bit concerned about it because we're going to get to this when Vicky's confronted on this with Tamara and the girls. But if Mike is dangling this carrot, giving her a timeline of when he's going to propose, that is a separate conversation that really makes me uncomfortable.

I agree. But we'll get to that in a second.

Jen meets with her sons and she's having a conversation with them just about updating on life and everything else.

And one of her kids... And I couldn't wait.

To talk to you about this because obviously you're a mom and you have kids around the same age as Jen. But when her son pretty much said to her that when it comes to his feelings, he's more comfortable talking about it to a therapist than his mother. And that to me was sort of like a gut punch because I was such a mother's boy that.

I told my mother everything, how I felt. Like I just told her everything. And my mother... And I were super close.

And I feel like Jen wants to make sure that her kids can come to her.

And I'm pretty sure the rest of her kids do. But this particular one doesn't want to. And it really did make.

Me sad to sort of hear that. Has that ever been your experience with your children?

I can kind of see both ways. I mean, my kids come to me and sometimes tell me things I don't really want to know. You know, you're like, okay, that's a little bit too much. But then I put on an act and I'm like, oh my God, that's so cool. You know, I'm trying to be the cool mom. But then I find out later things that have happened that they didn't tell me. And now they're older and they're like, back when I.

Was 17, I did this. And now he's 20 and almost 21 and married. And I'm like, oh my gosh.

Okay.

Thank God you didn't tell me then. So it goes both ways.

But I do have, my kids do have therapists and there are things I think that little things that happen in school.

I mean, they come to me a lot.

Like they'll sit on my bed till 11 o'clock at night with John and I, and just, you know, pour our ear.

That's when they open up or whatever, you know, they just talk.

That's special, Alexis. I love that.

It's really cool.

And then like Kenna, Kenna's in school now and she's called me like 10 times a day, like just telling me the little things. So they, they do tell me everything and a lot of that goes on. Um, I did tell her boys are bad, so keep your boys away, but He's in Christian school and I'm like.

No boy can get in her room even. So this is perfect for me.

But anyways, so no, I think that I get it that that one does have a little bit harder time opening up because of what he said. He said it was because he, he. doesn't want to hurt his parents or say something that they don't want to hear. He's kind of more of like a perfectionist with his parents.

He doesn't want his parents to look at him a different way or whatever, where the other one was sitting there and just like, I'll tell her everything.

Like, I don't care.

So I think that that comes and goes with all the kids, but my kids tell me a lot. And I think there's things that they probably tell their therapist that they don't necessarily bring to me. And they'll all hear about it in two years.

Good.

Cause they want to make sure their mother's like can also handle the news. But what is so interesting is when I was in my 20s, and I'm assuming you too, we didn't even have a therapist to talk to.

Right?

You went to your mom or you went to your best friend or you went to your best friend's mom.

That was it. Or you could go to your school counselor, though. There was that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure, for sure. So my point is what.

Which I think is a great thing, by the way, but what made you want to even give them that opportunity in their, at their young age, even to have a therapist?

I think it's brilliant.

We were, we were from a, you know, we were a broken family and, and there was a lot of stress with that between the bouncing around homes until they, they moved in with me in 2022, but until they moved in full time, there was a lot of stress and a lot of things.

And, you know, and then I have my one that's LGBTQ. So it's like, you kind of have to like, you know, you have to kind of like.

Move and let them have whatever facility they need to be able to grow and be healthy.

So I don't know.

I think it's, I think it's, and I offered it to my oldest and he, he was like, no, he never wanted it.

He went to his pastor at church or his best friends or me. And that was, that was it.

But the other two wanted it and they have a great relationship and I've had to call and talk to the therapist and say, help me through this deal, you know, with them.

And so it's just, it's a really great tool.

Now that they're older, that really stopped about, that really stopped their senior year, kind of halfway through their senior year. Now it's like they're older and they're, you know, I don't know. You kind of outgrow it, but if they want them, they know they've got them and that knows a lot about them. So I also think that it not necessarily that it's a trend. But I think it's just kind of more of like, you know, like postpartum has only been a word that we've known for how many years, not even a decade yet. So I feel like maybe the therapy thing was just something that America is just taking on such a bigger, like mental health is important. So everybody should have an outlet to go to if they need to.

Yeah, I think it's brilliant. And I love that you do it. I love it.

And I encourage parents, if the opportunity allows you You do it, do it. If you can afford to do it, do it. But if I had the resources, then I will have definitely done it myself in my teen years.

I think it's something that is beautiful.

So you would have liked to have a therapist instead of just your mom?

The option of both.

You know what I mean? Because I do think, I think to your kid's point, some things you don't want to tell your mom until later in life.

So to have that other outlet, I think it's super important.

I encourage parents, again, if you can afford it and if you're able to do it, I think it's a great thing. I really do, especially in this day and age.

The one thing I recognized when I was trying to find the right therapist for my kids, they both needed a different one for different reasons. But insurance does cover certain ones. And so I would call all of those. And then it's only like 50 bucks a session for anyone that's listening. But then both of the ones that my kids needed were out of network and that I felt good with.

And so then it's a fortune.

It's like if they're out of network and it's like 200 bucks plus.

So just try to stay with someone in network. You just have to interview them, each therapist.

Yeah. And find one that's most comfortable for you. I agree. I agree. I agree. Okay. We got to get into Miss Juicy.

Okay.

Yeah. That's okay.

Are they out there? Because he's not even ringing the doorbell. Just tell him I'm on work for the next half hour, but I'm a... I think he's just out there looking around and doing things. If you see him, just tell him I'll be available in 30.

Thanks, honey.

Have fun at work. I'll talk to you after.

Love you. The mom she is. Okay, so look. Juicy. Oh my God, thank you, Tamara. Thank you, Tamara.

See, we're going to say thank you, Tamara, a couple of times this podcast. But was that not hilarious? I loved everything about that scene.

Loved it.

It's making me not want to turn 60, though, because it happens in your 60s where all of this is all occurring, where you hit the wall or whatever for women.

I'm like, okay, I'm going to stay in my prime 50s.

I know because, first of all, Tamara's body is hot.

On fire.

On fire. Are you kidding me?

She's great. Ever since she did that fitness competition a few years ago, that was what, like seven years ago?

When was that one? Yeah.

I mean, she's just rocking.

It, man.

I mean, when you open a gym, hello, you're going to look good anyway.

No, she looks good. She looks good. So Tamara's checking in at the hotel.

And she said, last name Juicy. And I love that the front desk person was like, okay. You know, like, not even reacting to it. Because she's probably like, this fucking camera's in my face. Let me just do my job and be professional.

I mean, yeah, she's seriously sitting there going, okay, they're filming a TV show.

She's obviously.

creating some good juice right now. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. Okay.

Didn't even mean to. Another Freudian slip there. I meant juice for the camera, like some good scenes, you know?

Listen, uh-huh. Yeah, sure.

Thankfully, this podcast is rated R, so it's good.

We do recommend 18 and above.

Yes, yes, yes.

If your kid's in the car, put on the AirPods. Okay. Please shoot the ID at the door. Tamara is trying to sex it up for Eddie. She's like, look, we hit a wall. And it's a wall. There's so many sexual innuendos. And we're not even trying.

My head's not even in there, in the gutter at all. I just thought it was a cute scene that married couples can do. I thought it was amazing.

And I want her little lace getup. I love that little lace getup.

No, the lace did good. Okay.

Yeah, she did great.

We talked about juices flowing and walls. So raindrops, do with that in your imagination what you made. Okay. Let's just say Tamra wants a juicy wall that Eddie can bang up against. Is that fair to say?

Carlos!

I'm saying!

Oh my God. Is that fair to say?

I mean.

Okay.

So anyways, Alexa's like, Carlos, I'm not touching that. And Eddie said, I wasn't either.

You're waiting for me to make a funny comment.

And I'm like, next scene.

Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. So Tamara checks in. She has on this cute little black coat.

They're sitting down at the restaurant and she passes Eddie the room key and he's like, oh, okay.

She's like, yeah, you know, things have been happening or not happening. And I want to see.

They haven't been happening.

Right.

They admitted it because then they did a flashback to their kitchen when they were talking about it. And she's like, is our sex life bad? He's like, well, not great, but it's not bad. And I'm like, oh, good God, that means it's bad.

That means it's bad. That means it's bad, ladies. When your husband tells you that, it's bad. It's bad. It's bad.

She redeemed herself. She redeemed herself.

She did. Now, look.

I appreciate it that Tamara informs us that her and Eddie got into a big argument six months ago.

Yep.

And they were in the car. And the argument, Alexis, was so bad. that Eddie said, that's it, that's it. I think it's time that we file for divorce. Which, as a spouse, to hear the D word, that's tough. And Tamra gets emotional and she admitted that the reality set in with her that I got to do something because I do not want to lose my man.

Like that, I, again, who, who would have thought?

I just know them as a couple that I think it was just one of those things that he, it probably did just slip because like he did moment.

I don't think they're anywhere even close to that. And I think that he just, it was just one of those things where he was just at his wits end and You know what, though? It shook her up, didn't it? It shooketh.

She shooketh from that. So, you know, and she does work a lot. And that's why Eddie said right there sitting, you know, I mean, every time I call.

Her, she's I'm on the pod. I'm doing this. I'm doing that.

And I'll call you back in 10. Like, it's never just an easy, you know, get to her. She's just she works a freaking ton. So he just made a point. He's like, we need to make time for ourselves, for us. So I think that's really what it boils down.

To with them.

Yeah, and I like the fact that she took matters into her own hands by, you know, trying to show Eddie that it's serious, I get it, let me have fun with it. And kudos to them for having fun in front of cameras so the world can see. Like, when she disrobed at the restaurant and showing her lingerie, I'm.

Like, Tamara is.

Put that back on.

Tamara is so funny. And then when they get to the room... And he's spanking her and she's crawling on all floors and all that shit.

I thought that was so funny.

Bark like a dog. I chuckled a lot at that scene. He laid his head in her butt after he smacked it because he laughed.

Oh, yes. Yes.

No, he couldn't wait. He couldn't wait to taste the juice. He wanted the juice. Oh, Carlos.

Oh my gosh. Okay. We can tell you are revved up for this weekend.

Oh, Alexis.

We know where your head is.

I'm not going to go there. See, I stopped myself. Good boy.

Good boy, Carlos.

Good boy.

Good boy. That's what he's going to say. Okay, so anyway, I thought it was nice.

He's going to say, Papa, Papa.

Yes, Daddy. Alexis, you're repeating my words of affirmation that I've.

Okay, guys, let me stop. Okay, back to the show.

Okay.

It's getting hot in here. Okay. Okay.

See, Tamara, look where you started. Listen, Tamara is a sexy woman. What is she, 60?

Yes, almost. I know she turned 50. I think she turned 58 this year.

She looks good.

Hold on.

I should know this about my friend. This is really easy to find because all I have to do is hit Google. But okay, keep going.

She looks good. Whatever the case may be, she looks amazing. I'm so- Oh, 59.

Next year's 60.

59. She looks good.

Yeah, she does.

She looks damn good. And I'm here for it.

And I'm happy that she decided to really show Eddie, I mean, business. And again, those type of scenes can really be uncomfortable for the couple. So shout out to them for doing that.

I thought it was great. Really good, really, really good, really good.

Okay, Heather goes shopping. She's with Emily and Jen. And this is when she learns that Emily tells her, and Jen does too, like, it is weird what you're doing with Carmella because you did call her trashy. I mean, Jen is calling it out. She's like, look, you said this about her. You said that about her. And in that moment, you could tell Heather was like, fuck. okay, these private conversations that I have with these ladies off camera, they're now going to use against me.

And that's why I will give Heather Dubrow this. She's smart. She knew if I deny it, the story grows bigger.

Well, if she denies it, not only is she caught doing it, then she looks like a liar to deny it.

So then you're having two.

things against you instead of just taking one, taking it and owning it and saying you're sorry.

Which is what she did. She said, I know it was a shitty thing to say.

And my favorite part was she was like, oh, now I got to tell her what I said because shit.

Clearly, I know how this program works. With the cameras. These cameras.

Now I know that I need to get in front of it before you bitches go and tell Carmella, hey, Heather said this about you. And look, in Heather's defense, it does look worse coming from someone else than you telling it yourself.

So when Heather told Carmella, I thought, brava, right? I mean, what did you think about the whole thing?

Are you talking about how it came out or when she went to Carmella and said she was sorry?

Well, let's start with how it came out first. Do you agree that she knew, like, fuck? This is going to be a storyline.

Let's tie these two scenes in together because she was shopping for sunglasses when she first heard about it. Then they were all sitting around the table when Heather was like, and Tamara was there too. And Heather was like, well, now obviously I'm going to have to talk to her, but it stinks because like, I don't want to have to have that name pinned on her.

That sucks for her. But that was because she said what she said. So then she's like, oh, I thought that would stay, you know, private, but it didn't. So- But you know what, Carlos?

I told her something in private that got released season 18.

I didn't tell her. John told her something private.

At season 18 that got used at the final scene when we had filmed the reunion. And then they brought cameras back up to then hear something that Heather had disclosed that was private information given to her by John and not hers to share. So, you know, she kind of got a taste of her own medicine is all I'm going to say.

Yeah. Yeah.

So it's kind of like.

Let's not go any further on this because we've got a few episodes before maybe we will go further.

But all I'm going to say is, you know, she.

Kind of got a taste of her own medicine in this because she did say it off camera, hoping it was in confidence, much like my husband did. And then it was used against my husband out of confidence for TV purposes to, you know, film that scene when they picked back up.

So there you go.

I thought you knew more about this. I guess I've never told you about this. I thought you knew.

No, listen, you are a scholar.

You are dumbfounded right now.

No, no, no.

I am now reminded of that infamous pickup scene that was after the season 18 reunion wrapped.

Yes.

And unbeknownst to you, your good.

Friends decided to film a scene because they were back in Shannon's happy camper of life. And I'm now remembering that Heather- It wasn't my friends.

It was Heather that disclosed the information to production.

So they opened back up filming and then filmed that scene. So she took private information that was not hers to share, that was given to her off camera on a private conversation with John, myself, and her, and then used it against us to film a pickup scene for the show.

Yes.

With information that was only supposed to be John's to ever share with anyone if he ever wanted to. And the information is true, but it didn't mean, oh, shoot, I just spilled my soda. Didn't mean that it was anyone else's to share. So I'm just, the only reason I'm saying this is that it ties back into this season because she's kind of getting a taste of her own medicine.

You know, she gave information. Doesn't feel good, does it, Heather? Doesn't feel good when you've said something you thought was in confidence and then it gets used against you.

So, Hopefully it's a lesson learned that, you know, in the future. I thought we, I really had confidence in her. Like, like she was a confidant for us.

So anyway, carry on.

I'm just relating it to this episode saying that it came back around, you know, like.

You listen, you are stating facts. You have proof based on what we all saw. So yeah, and you're only relating it back to the fact that her hand is caught in the cookie jar because the ladies are calling her out for saying something off camera that she is now being aware they're talking about a camera. And look, I think at the end of the day, unfortunately for you, you weren't even there to get a heads up and you weren't even there to defend yourself.

Well, I was a friend of, so I didn't get the, I didn't get to have a confessional to where I could then, you know, have my piece to say about it. Plus they didn't show half of my confessionals. They were, I was like the least confessionalized ever on season 18. It was like, they, they wanted me to have a muzzle and then just use and abuse everything for the scenes.

And it's like, okay. But so anyway, that's just some back history on it, which, We might be able to get further into in a few episodes. We'll see.

Can't wait. As my girl appears.

I'm hoping not. I'm hoping not, but we'll see what is aired.

And you better believe raindrops. We're going to talk about it.

So Heather then takes Carmela's side and says, look, I got to tell you something.

I was talking about you behind your back.

I've used the word trashy because of me learning about About, you know, the arrest and all of this stuff. And I did say some things. And I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I prejudged you. And I hope you can forgive me. And look, Carmella's like, wow, that's hurtful to hear. But in the end, Carmella appreciates the fact that Heather owned it.

And, you know, showed her remorse.

And look, I will say this. I tell my reality stars this all the time. If you own the doo-doo that you dropped, the residue will not be as stank as it is if you just like try to avoid it. And the one thing I wanted to, I can't decide whether or not it happened. And this is me being a producer. The moment Heather found out in the shopping scene that the girls were talking about her calling Carmella trashy and Heather said, I got to talk to her about it. The producer in me felt, I wonder if she called Carmella off camera, gave her a heads up.

Oh, because you feel like when they met up at the park, it wasn't, it wasn't an authentic reaction. Like it was like, kind of like.

I think Heather is in so much. Yeah.

I think Heather is in so much control. I have been doing this for a very long time, Alexis. I know.

I know women who.

Have those tough conversations off camera. And then on camera, they have it because they know they have to do it. I'm 75% sure Heather told Carmela off camera.

Because you think that Carmela's reaction would have been more if she hadn't told her, hadn't scared her.

You think Carmela would have had more of her? And see, I don't know. I think, first of all, I think Carmela handled it beautifully. Again, thumbs up for Carmela.

And like I said, she's just, she just wins me over more and more every episode. But it's interesting because I didn't read that. You could very well be true, but I didn't read that. I felt like Carmela was just once again, like letting it roll off. Like, God, we're filming a TV show, but okay, I get that.

It did look kind of trashy that I had this or done, but that's kind of a hard word to use.

I don't know. I just kind of felt Carmela's turning too.

So I didn't read it like that, but you could very well be true or right.

You could very well be right.

Yeah. And look, it's just, and again, it could be my skepticism.

It could be whatever, but I think at the end of the day, whether or not it happened off camera first, Carmela.

Forgave her.

Yeah. Yeah.

And I think that's the only thing you can do based on someone's apology. And look, I do feel like Heather did the right thing by owning it first. And I know, but we know that some women don't do that.

So I'll give her that.

But she was caught and it was on camera and everybody talked about it. How would she have gotten out of it if she hadn't owned it?

You're right.

Own it if it's not shown on camera. But the fact that the other women called her out to her face, it's right there. So it's going to come out this season.

At the reunion, if nothing else, it will be addressed. So she had to.

You're right. You're right.

Because to your point, Alexa, and you're right.

To your point.

If the women had not told her that it was said and it would not have been brought up on film, Heather would never have owned it and would have never said she said it, would have ignored the fact that she said it.

100%.

And you and I would have given her more respect if she would have brought it up herself and said, before you find out something I said, before these ladies bring it up on camera or at the reunion, I want to tell you first, I called you trashy. Right.

So that would have been the best way to handle it.

But to your point, she had to do that because at the end of the day, it was already on camera.

So she had to own it. You're right. You're right. You're right. Thank you. You're right. Okay.

No, you're right.

You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

Tamara's activated because Vicky is defensive as the ladies approach her to talk about her behavior and what's going on between her and Mike. And Vicky is very defensive and She is getting into it with Heather. She tells Heather, don't talk to me like that. Because Heather's trying to explain herself and her side of things. And she's like, look, I'm trying to say I like Mike. I think Mike's a great guy. And Vicky's like, oh my God, stop talking about him.

He's going to hate this. He's going to hate that we're talking about him.

And then Tamara is saying to her how she feels about it.

Then her and Tamara get into it.

Walk me through your thoughts about all of that because you know these ladies. Tamara is your closest friend on the show. Whose side are you on in this?

It's really hard because I mean, okay. The truth is none of the guys really like to be a part of the show. Like that's the truth of it. They know it's not going to serve them well.

Except Ryan.

Okay, well.

I even think he's kind of, I don't know. I think he's kind of learned his lesson and taken a step back too. I think, I think the men know that it's not going to serve you well. If you try to have a role on this show, you just need to sit back and be a wallflower. So I don't think that, I don't think that Vicki's wrong for just saying, let's not bring him up. The other side to that is you're on a reality show. So anything in your life and your personal life is going to be on the show because you're, you have signed a contract to bring your life to the forefront for national television and for viewers to see. So at that, with that said, She can't be so like, oh, my gosh, don't talk about it.

Oh, my gosh, don't talk about him.

You know, it's got to be more like she needs to curb the conversations the way that she wants them to go. And the bigger deal that she makes about things, the more the women are going to push. So all she should have had to said is, I never saw an engagement ring. And just kind of downplay it and just kind of let it go. But the women are going to bring it up because it's your boyfriend. And it does sound weird if you have an engagement ring that's in the safe and you know about it.

If the engagement ring was in the.

Safe and no one knew about it, No big deal because he's just trying to muster up the courage to find the right time or put the perfect plan together.

No big deal.

The engagement ring could sit in the safe for six months to a year, two years, who cares? It's the guy's choice when to propose. It's the fact that everyone knows about it. That's where the girls are coming into the problem. And that's where I think he's coming into the problem with the eyes being on him about that.

And I don't know, Vicky needs to just, I feel like she just own it more and be like, I don't even know guys. He's got an engagement ring.

He'll tell me when he wants to propose or whatever, and then we'll move forward with it. So I don't know. Do you even think that they want to get engaged after this episode? Yes.

You do?

I think, look, although Vicky said, look, I don't even care to get engaged.

It's not important to me. I think it is. I think it is. I think, look, I think it's embarrassing. I believe it. I do believe that.

That he dangled it?

Yes. I believe it.

The thing is this, that is something you can't just make up out of thin air. It's too specific to make up that this guy has a ring. We already know from Vicky that he bought a ring. So we know that to be true. Vicky said it, so therefore it's true.

He has a ring.

Mike also was in a scene with her and acknowledged that he has a ring.

So we already know that to be true, right?

The fact that he has this ring and he hasn't given it to her, I think you can't make up out of thin air, well, he wants to wait 90 days and he's waiting to see how Vicky acts.

I think Vicky's behavior.

This is where you and I may disagree. I think Vicky's behavior for sure is contingent upon whether or not she gets this ring. And I do think, listen, what happened between Vicky and Steve.

Her ex-fiance, I.

Think she's embarrassed by it because she paraded that relationship on camera as she should have because that's her job. And I think she's trying to do things differently with Mike because she wants the ring and she wants the happily ever after. And I do think Mike, unfortunately, and it's going to sound sucky when I say this, but I think Mike sees Vicky's desperation and could be taken advantage of it.

Wow.

And I have a totally different take. I would love to see what the raindrops think about this. I feel like, first of all, I don't like if he really did say I need her to go 90 days. So that's three months. And she's only making it to two and a half months or, you know, 70 days.

I would want to really know if that's true or not, because that really is kind of like a huge red flag. But also it's kind of like they've been together for like five years now or more. So why are you needing 90 days after five years? Like, like that would be something you would need to kind of weigh in the first year. Like, okay, can we make it three months without a fight? Can we make it three months without having some, you know, rubbing me wrong or something?

I don't know.

It's just, all of it seems kind of really bizarre to me.

I don't know.

I can't, I can't put my finger on it, but I can't make an educated statement on it because I just don't even know if the 90, 70 is a true statement that he made.

Like it just, and why would Vicky tolerate that?

I think she would tolerate it because I think in her mind, she feels like she has no choice but to. It's either you tolerate it or you leave him.

And I think she would rather tolerate it, Alexis, than leave him. And then have to start over again.

And I think there's something to be said about starting over again in your 60s.

Like, who wants to do that shit?

Well, they've got that.

Again, it sounds sucky, but.

They've got the Golden Age Bachelorette out now, so she could show on that.

Alexis.

I don't know. I don't think there's anything wrong with starting over in your 60s. They're hot. Those women are hot at 60.

I'm not saying they're not hot. I think, look, I think for Vicky, and again, I'm only basing this off of what I've seen for 20 years.

I just think Vicky is. Look, first of all, kudos to Vicky for finding men.

Vicky has not been single for a long time.

So look, kudos to you, Vicky.

Vicky has hot stuff. So good for her. She got the juice, Tamara. Vicky must got the juice. She got the juice juice.

Okay. She gets a man. Right? So I'll give her that much.

I know.

I think she, she doesn't have a hard time getting a guy, you know? Yeah.

So, but maybe she doesn't want to start. Maybe she really just does love him and is like, I just don't want to start over again. I don't want to lose him, but I don't know.

The whole thing. There's just something off on it.

And maybe it is a TV show that gets in the way, you know, like a lot of relationships don't make it because some people just can't handle the limelight and the TV of it all.

You know?

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

If I hadn't met John, how do I, you know, my, my fiance before him didn't love the limelight a ton. Didn't want to really be on, you know, do a lot of, of, of things like red carpets and stuff. So I, I think, you know, it just, thank God John had already had his feet in it for a little bit and can tolerate my life, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's tough. It's tough. It's tough.

And I think, I think Mike is just a regular guy that is retired. He's enjoying his life as he should and, And why add this to it? So again, but raindrops, let us know in the comments your thoughts on it. What should Vicky do? Do you guys think she is being held with this engagement ring over her head?

Is that what's really happening to her? Or do you think these ladies are over-exaggerating what Mike could be doing?

And that hopefully, who knows, maybe Alexis... engagement or proposal that happened at the reunion.

Or before.

I wonder if it would be out of the bag if they had gotten engaged on the show. I would love to see her get engaged on the show, actually.

That's a good finale.

Yeah, but I think we would have heard a little stir.

We would have.

Someone would have heard something.

Yes.

No, we would have.

We would have. But look, I am hoping that for Vicky. If that's what she wants, it happens for her. But raindrops, let us know. Okay? Alexis, install your solar system, sister.

Well, apparently Miles said he's not out there. So I don't know what the hell he just did.

What is happening? I don't know.

First, show up with that. That's my next phone call.

As soon as we get off the... Okay. Well, look, Alexis, love you. Have a good weekend. And I will see you in the next one, boo.

Okay, bye.

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