She Should Be on the Runway! with Rachael Kirkconnell

Scrubbing in with Becca Tilly and Tanya Radd, an iHeartRadio.

And two-time People's Choice Award winning podcast.

Hello, everybody.

We are scrubbing in. And I haven't said this in a long time, but we have a very special guest today.

That we do.

You know her from her time on The Bachelor.

That's how I know her.

But she's become much more than that. She is a content creator. She is everyone's, I think Cosmopolitan dubbed her the people's princess.

Oh, wow.

Her style. She's beautiful. She posts about food. She's just like that girl. And we get to have her on Scrubbing In today. So everyone, please welcome Rachel Kirkconnell. I'm so happy you're here.

I'm so happy to be here. I get so nervous before a podcast, but I'm super excited.

But why?

I don't know. Who knows what's going to come out of my mouth? I don't know.

It is interesting how you have this expectation of what you're going to talk about and not talk about, and then you go in and you're comfortable and you're just talking, and then you leave and you're like, what did I do?

Yeah, that's also maybe what it is. I never know what I'm about to go chat about. And then I leave, I'm like, Well, I hope that was okay. I don't even remember what I said, but it's always fun.

I do feel like on the opposite, like, we talk all the time, right?

Right.

But we have, like, control. We know what we're going to talk about. We know what we're going to say. Whenever I'm a guest.

Being interviewed.

Yes.

Whenever I'm being interviewed, I always try and flip it. Like, I'm always asking questions because I'm just, like, used to it. So it does feel weird to, like, have somebody ask questions.

Have the tables turn. Yeah. I feel like you are... Kind of everywhere right now. I'm like, where do you live? Where's your home base?

You know, it's funny.

Everyone thinks I'm still in New York. Hey, everyone still thinks I'm in New York. But I went from New York to Miami for a second and then ended up back in Atlanta.

OK.

And I'm still there.

And I'm just I'm in Atlanta. Yeah, that's where I'm from.

Oh, yeah.

So I don't know.

I'm trying to, like, figure out. where I want to be. I'm really content with being there right now because I travel so much, move around a lot to where when I'm not traveling, I like being at home because that's my time to see my friends and my family and my animals and stuff.

So, and like, I mean, I'll say this.

Your money stretches really far in Georgia compared to, like, a New York or an L.A.

Or a Miami.

So it's pretty comfortable down there.

Yeah. You're living a good life. I feel like it's nice to have a base, too, especially somewhere where there's a big airport that goes everywhere. Like, you can play anywhere.

The airport is so nice. And, like, yeah, I'm, like, 30 minutes from it. So it's nice. And, again, yeah, I just get to see everyone. I can't remember the last time I spent a full week at home.

So it's, yeah.

So I am going back and forth a lot, but yeah, it's, I'm, I'm very content with it.

Yeah. What are you doing right now?

I mean, I always just tell my team, I'm like, whatever's going on, like I'll go to, if it will be beneficial for me in any way. So like, you know, while I'm here, I'm trying to go to dancing tomorrow, um, to see Tate and Tyler. I was here last night for the victory secret fashion show. And then taking some meetings today, I got to do this podcast with you guys. Like, If I have a free schedule, I'm like, yeah, if there's something going on, just throw me and it'll go.

Because I like have the flexibility to do it right now.

Not being home for a full week would make me so stressed.

It is. I think it does stress me out, Libra. I do get stressed out, though, because I feel like I don't have any structure. But I also tell myself this is the time in my life where I should be doing it. Because I don't have any other like commitments in my life that I should be like holding myself back for. Like I don't even have a pet.

I just have, you know, my animals are at my parents' house.

Yeah.

So I don't know. I think one day.

Yeah. I don't know. I think one day I won't be able to run around as much. So I just tell myself now, like, get out there while you can. I don't know.

So people first met you from you being on The Bachelor. And you have done so much since that time. And I also, you talking about going to see Tyler and Tate, I know there's a lot of conversation about, like, is it you won Tyler in the divorce?

Oh, I see that a lot.

I see that a lot. Here's the thing.

Like, I feel like I obviously. Made such a great friendship with Tyler but also Tate like Tate is one of my favorite people ever I love her so much and I think with like everything that happened afterwards it's such a hard thing because it's like well we still want to be friends yeah you know and like why not if everyone's okay with it so you know I I think everyone involved is okay with it.

But yeah I mean.

It's silly, I guess, because people are like, didn't you guys used to hate each other? I don't know.

It's just like it's been so.

You and Tyler? Yeah.

People love saying that, too.

Did you? Yeah.

Well, I think he had maybe a problem with me at the beginning.

I think it was a big adjustment for everyone involved.

And I think that maybe he didn't like his best friend being like in a relationship.

Yeah.

But also like. That was a really hard time in Tyler's life. And I kind of was like getting on to him about that. I'm like, you're not making these great choices for yourself. And like, I'm saying this out of love. But like, you got to get it together. And he, I'm sure, hated hearing that. But I think if you asked him now, I think you'd be like, she was right. And that was coming from a place of love. And I think like looking at where he's at now, you know, I love him and Tate so much.

And I love their relationship so much. And I'm so happy they found each other. Um, and you know, none of that, who knows what would have happened if I think every single thing happens for a reason.

Yeah.

And I think him and Tate started out as like coworker, like they were working together and stuff.

And who knows if he would always say you find it.

Yeah.

He, who knows if you ever would have even met her if everything else didn't fall into place and him moving back down to Florida from New York and all the things.

So yeah, it just all works out how it's supposed to.

I totally believe that. And I think your situation specifically, because everyone loved you from The Bachelor. Like, you were such a favorite. And, like, I feel like you having your relationship with Matt, like, I felt like y'all were very loved. But I almost felt like, and I'm sure it didn't feel like that in the time, and I don't even know now, but when y'all broke up, it almost sent you into another realm of people just rooting for you.

I think, like, It's hard being the final one. Like, it's hard being in the lead's shadow. And I feel like even when we got back together and then we were together for years, I still felt like that. Like, I didn't know if I could ever stand up on my own. I felt like people only did like me because of the relationship. So it was scary, like, not being in said relationship anymore. I didn't know how people were going to take it or how they were going to react to the news of us no longer being together.

But I feel like it was also really relatable.

And I think that women at the end of the day, when you see yourself in someone or when you've gone through something similar, or if you're going through like that same heartache or heartbreak, I think that's when women really are like the most supportive of one another or like will really rally behind you, rally around you. And I think that's how it felt in that like stage of life.

And then I think that just being able to stand up on my own two feet and get to show a little bit more of just who I am and like not like who I am in this relationship. Right.

That's been fun.

It's been a little scary, but yeah, I think it's been, fun to just, like you said, like be in this new little realm of things and yeah, not be known as like another, like the other half in a relationship, I guess. Right.

Pardon my naivete. I'm bachelor adjacent, but I'm not like so like in the know of everything. How long have you been single? How long have you guys been broken up?

It's been a minute now. It was 20. It'll be almost two years in January.

Wow.

That's okay. Why did you guys break up?

Oh my God. Good question.

I mean, it was so many things.

I'm not trying to like, no.

Like at the end of the day, I just will say like, I think it was just compatibility.

And I just think that I was ready for things that maybe he wasn't.

And now that like, it's been so long apart, like we just weren't compatible at the end of the day. I think I've been over backwards for a lot of things. I think he did. And, I think that's why I've been single for two years now because I am still figuring out like what I'm looking for, what I truly want in a partner. And also just like I think you second guess yourself a lot. And I don't even know if I'm like ready to be the best partner ever.

Maybe.

Who knows?

But like I also just feel like the bar has been raised a little bit for me.

I think that, again, sometimes I'm like a little bit of a pushover.

I think that, like, I'm always preaching to other women around me, like, don't stand for that. Don't do, you know, like. And you were letting, yeah. But I don't do that for myself. And I'm still trying to figure that out. And I just, like, don't ever want to be in that situation again.

It's a tricky balance because, like, you also hear relationships are compromised. I know.

That's why I'm like, I don't know.

I just don't know. I'm like, how do you figure it out?

Yeah. But I don't want you to, like, beat yourself up over that because I do think that. that's what relationships are. So it's like, you can't always just like stand your ground. because sometimes you do have to like compromise.

Yeah.

And that's where I think I just second guess myself a lot. I'm like, when can I stand my ground? When should I be compromising? Like, is this OK? Is this not OK? Like, I'm just always in my head about it.

So because that relationship was so public, do you feel like moving into another relationship when that time comes? If that time is now, you want that to be more private or?

I would like for it to be.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

I think like there's no such thing really anymore. I think like even if you don't put it on blast, like perfect example for me would be like Kylie and Timothy. I don't think they've ever posted about each other, but like, oh my God, everyone in the world knows they're together. Right. So I think I'd be fine with that. Like Of course I want to be a supportive partner and I, whoever they are, like, I don't know if they'll be in the same like sphere as me.

Yeah.

But if they are, then yeah, like I wouldn't want to like hide them or anything, but I also just don't want them to be like my entire personality or like my entire world.

I still want to stand on my own two feet.

So.

We'll see. Yeah, a little bit more privacy.

Would be nice.

Have you been dating at all?

Not really.

Because there's nothing. Normally stuff gets out, you know, and I don't. I mean, I've seen some rumors.

I saw a rumor right here on my piece of paper. What's the rumor? Shane Parton. I don't know him.

He was on Taylor Frankie Paul's season of The Bachelorette.

But we didn't see that.

Exactly.

No, we actually grew up in the same area. He's great. He's the best. I.

think he's like an incredible guy he is one of my good friends but I don't know there's also a lot of chit chat a little bit of chatter about him maybe being the lead for the next season and like what I yeah I don't know I mean I feel like well we have to know soon I feel like they're.

Starting that they were using the vet.

Guy I think that was a rumor too who's the.

Vet I don't know Dr.

Mike I think yeah.

I don't know don't get me wrong he's a great guy I can definitely like see myself going on a date or two with him, figuring things out. We're good friends. I just don't want to cross that line.

Okay, so that's probably where the rumors started.

Yeah, we spend time together and everything, but I, again, I just think that sounds messy right now.

Well, if he's the lead, that would get very messy. Exactly.

But then you could go on.

No, you know what?

Give me the lead spot.

I was going to.

Say, would you ever do.

Be the lead of a dating show?

Oh, my gosh.

I don't know.

Like, I always say, like, never say never, but I.

Don't know.

I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I do need some help finding someone. But, like, it's so different nowadays. I feel like back then I do think that people were going on there with the hope of maybe, like, finding a spark.

Right.

I don't know if it's like that anymore. I think a lot of people are in it just for themselves and for, like, the fame and, like, the potential... of like changing our lives.

So I don't know.

I think everyone else always gone on there with both in mind, but I don't even know if people go on there like truly hoping that they like, but.

It doesn't have to be like, there's so many other shows. Like you go on love Island.

Love Island's crazy.

I love Love Island so much. But also, I feel like I'm too old for that.

No.

Yeah, I'm 30, you guys.

I don't even feel like they cast anyone over, like, 27.

They don't, Tonya. They're all, like, and they're all really young.

They're, like, 22. They are.

Taylor was 22.

22.

Trinity just won. She's 23. Yeah. Yeah.

They're so young.

Here I am thinking they're all.

They could maybe have some more success if they... They aged it up a little bit. Yeah. Come on.

Give us the, like, 27 to 35 window.

But, like, I think, like, that audience, though, just loves watching the entertainment and, like, the, like, little bit of spark of romance. But, like, it's not this, like, serious romance. Like, most people don't even leave together, like, boyfriend and girlfriend.

Right. You know?

It's just crazy.

Well.

you should go on the UK one because they're more serious. Yeah.

I don't know.

I could date a British boy.

Yes.

And they're so like gentlemanly and like.

It's just more wholesome. It's, I need to watch it. I heard really good things about this last season. My friends are obsessed.

When you're dating, like as you're dating, are there things that you're like, I definitely know I don't want this in a relationship. Um, are you kind of, I mean, yeah, of course.

Like, I can't stand anyone who's, like, rude or full of themselves in any way. Like, if he's not kind to, you know, any kind of, like, server or waiter.

Like, I.

Would be a little hesitant on, like, this is probably mean to say, but, like, athletes scare me.

Yeah, I understand that.

I just, like, want, like, a nice normal guy.

I don't know.

Like, I really don't think I ask for much. I just want him to be kind and I want him to be compassionate I want to laugh with him a lot um and like I just don't want him to be super judgmental I feel like every guy I've ever been with they're just like really judgmental and they make me not feel great about myself when like it should be the opposite that's.

Crazy Rachel yeah I was just gonna say because you brought it up the Victoria's Secret fashion show have you ever wanted to model because you should be a Victoria's.

Secret model never why funny.

No, I've like never in my life thought about that. Is that not a desire?

Is it not a desire?

I mean, don't get me wrong.

If they like came up to me and they were like, walk this runway, I'd be like, okay, I'll do my best.

You should try. Like you are so pretty. Like you belong in the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Not in the audience, on the runway.

I love being in the audience. That was great.

No, you need to be on the runway.

I love you.

That's so sweet.

I remember when you were going through your breakup and I was like, I just know she's going to be with the hottest athlete. But now I know that is not enticing for you.

I think they're just like a little– don't get me wrong. I'm sure there's some good guys in there. But like I think the– like their entire lifestyle, I don't know if I'd be comfortable with it. It's great. It's great. I know, but I'm just saying, like, you don't even see them a lot. They're traveling a lot. You don't know what they're doing.

You just said yourself you don't need to be home. She can't go travel with her husband.

But then it'd be like, again, what I'm saying, like, then my life would just be his life.

I'd just be following him around.

Yes.

I feel like there is a little bit of that.

Yeah.

Don't get me wrong.

I think I love, I would have fun being, like, on the field or wherever I'm at. Like, it sounds, and I do have friends that date athletes and, like, But I also think like they found them when they were like in high school and college and then they just stuck through and like now they're super happy and stuff.

And that's like rare.

Because I think about like I think about athletes differently now. I don't know why, but I think they have this like schedule and they're regimented and they go to bed early.

Do you know what I mean?

Like they have this like structure to their life where I'm like, that's so enticing.

I feel like.

No, I don't get you wrong.

I need some structure. You would hate being an athlete for me. I would.

I just don't know if I could trust them. I need to work on that for myself. I have a hard time trusting people. So I think that would stress me out at times. But I don't know. I think there are some really happy couples there. And I'm sure they've done what they need to do to make it work and all the things. So again, never say never.

But I can't be picky right now. It's pretty rough out here.

Is it?

Oh, yeah. I hear it.

But it's also like when you go if you were to go on apps and go on dates and people guys know who you are. Would you rather them just acknowledge that they know who you are? Do you like this? Like, so what do you I hate when people do this? Like, what do you do thing when they actually know?

I don't even know if I've experienced that. I'm not on any apps or anything.

OK, why?

I don't know. I've just like always hoped I just would meet someone nor like naturally.

But here's my question.

OK.

If you had your dream job, OK, there was a dream job and there are several ways that you could get that job. Meet this person, go to this bar, connect on LinkedIn. Why would you not choose all the options?

I guess I'm being mean about it because I don't know if people that are on apps, if like they're using it seriously, if they're just using it as like fun or for hooking up.

Such is the life.

Yeah. I'm just, like, not.

Like that, though.

Like, I, like, don't, like, casually hook up with people.

Like, I don't know. That's just not for me.

I'm not getting the vibe that you are, like, dying to, like, I don't really feel like a relationship is a super high priority for you right now is what it seems like. Like, if it happens, it happens, but you're not, like.

Yeah, it comes and goes. Because, like, I'm very content with myself right now. But, like, oh, my God. All of my friends are married. or engaged or like married with kids. And it's literally just me. And so like, it's not that I feel the pressure to join them. It's just, I see up close their relationships and their children and stuff.

And like, I do want that.

Like, I do think that life is probably so much more sweet when you are living it with someone. And I do want that, but I also would rather be single or be alone than than be in a relationship that's not like that.

Yeah.

You know, like, of course for me, like the goal is to be super happy and in love with someone, but I'm not going to like settle at this point. Cause I also can be okay being alone.

Yeah.

You know, cause I don't want to be in a bad relationship or an unhappy one.

That sounds like hell. Yeah.

That sounds horrible.

It does. And I know what you mean, because I do feel like sometimes people feel that pressure and they just like want to fill that void.

Yeah, exactly.

But then you probably end up with someone you shouldn't be with or like, you're settling and I never want to settle. So I would just rather be on my own.

Yeah.

Maybe I'll have like a bunch of animals and I'll be fine.

Who knows?

I think you're going to find your person. It'll be, it'll just happen. It'll happen.

Don't guys DM you?

Not really.

What?

Maybe like weirdos.

Yeah.

What?

I'm telling you.

I did a lot of work in the DMs.

You were doing work? Yeah, that's how I met Dr. W.

That's right.

Maybe I need to be DMing people.

I don't know.

Yes!

A hundred percent.

That's the thing.

Like, I don't really, like, go out of my way to, like.

Kourtney Kardashian made the first move with Travis Barker.

Oh, did she? Yeah.

Yeah, and they seem happy. Okay, here's also... This is also my problem. I... I feel like I don't even have the drive to DM someone because I'm like, well, I don't actually know them. But that's what dating is. I know. That's why I'm so messed up. Because I'm like, I'm not attracted to what I see on Instagram in any way.

Oh, yeah.

I have no idea who they really are. And so I've never had this drive to. Want to, like, get to know them just based on, like, the photos they post online or, like, the videos of, like, them catching a touchdown or something.

Like, I don't really care.

Like, who are you to get me to, like, even want to, like, pursue you in any way, which maybe that's why I'm like, I just wish it would happen naturally and I could feel them out and then I'd be like, oh, this is someone that, like, I could see myself being interested to at least get to know. So maybe that's my problem with, like, never wanting to, like, DM someone or swipe on the app because it's all like a facade.

Also people that are in the public eye they don't need pretty girls like banning their ego anymore than they already have.

I agree.

So I, I'm anti.

Oh my gosh.

Going into the DMs for you personally.

I really like where you're coming from though. I hear you.

You just got to like throw spaghetti to the, here's the thing. If you weren't sitting here.

Throw spaghetti to the wall and see what sticks.

Yeah.

Like if you were sitting here and you were like, no, I don't really want to get married. It's not a good on you. Do your thing. Modern woman energy. Like, let's go. But you are sitting here saying that you do want to like, you do want to get married. You do want to have a family. And so it's like at some point.

No, don't get me wrong.

Yeah, I'll have to rewire my brain for sure and start being like, all right, I got to get my shit together.

I love watching your journey right now. So I can't wait till you find your person, but I don't feel like it's the mad rush or pressure on you. But I do want to know if you'd ever do Dancing with the Stars.

Oh my God.

That's like the one thing I would do anything for.

Really?

So I grew up, I've never been a dancer, but I grew up doing gymnastics and then I went to competition cheer. I think I was on like three different cheer teams at one point in my life. It was like high school competition, all-star competition, football, cheer.

Like I love that world.

And then my little sister is the most incredible dancer. She's a dance teacher now. And we both just love it so much. And I love that, again, it's like regimented. You're like getting your life together during that whole, I don't know, like I like the idea of going to practice for three hours a day. And I like that.

I kind of miss that. And I just love everything about it. I love the like feel-good stories. I love, I think the worst thing about it right now is the audience. I think like, it's really dramatic. Yeah. People are being so mean and harsh on all of the stars and the pros and people forget like these stars aren't supposed to be professional dancers. Either they're not professional dancers and people are like, they're the worst.

They stink.

Or they are professional dancers and they're like, oh, that's so, come on. Can we just watch and enjoy it?

Yeah.

But like, I mean, cause Matt was on it a few seasons ago. And so I got to like be here for two months at a time and like get to know the pros and everyone's so nice.

They really are.

They're so nice. They're all such good people.

And I don't know, it just seemed like everyone always has, has so much fun. And, but like, even all of that aside, just like the actual, like getting to dance and getting to learn routines and practice and do all the things and the costumes and all of it like I love it so much good word Tyler if you're ever listening to this put in a good word yeah I feel.

Like you know enough people at this point that.

But like that's the thing we know it's like one of the biggest shows right now to where it's I'm sure it's so competitive.

I know, but you've got to put your hat in the ring.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm always yelling at my team. I'm like... Oh, okay, okay.

Yeah, if it ever happens, of course.

That's, like, my dream. I would love it. But, like, again, it's just so competitive. Like, people... There's typecasts on there, you know? So there's always, like, some housewives or old actor, actresses, athletes. Usually there is, like, an old lead, like The Bachelor. Obviously we have Love Island people on there now. There's Love Island.

People on there? Yeah, Maura.

Oh, yeah.

I forget that she was on Love Island.

Yeah.

I think of her from Traitors.

Yeah.

Which I'm sure that's what really helped her.

Catapulted her.

Yeah.

Because she was in the U.S. Because she was on Love Island UK, season five. Yeah. Deep cut.

Who's your dream partner? Like, if you got to choose.

Ooh, that's a great question.

I mean, I think, like, who would be just incredible to work with would be Mark. Like, he's unbelievable. But, you know, I think I'd have so much fun with, and, like, I'm sure I would.

Have so much fun with Mark, too.

But people who make me pee my pants, Jan, he is so funny.

Oh, yeah, he's really funny.

I love Ezra.

Yeah.

I love Ezra so much. And I think Brandon is so nice and so funny. So I don't know, though. Like, I would be, like, obviously honored to work with any of them.

Yeah.

But, yeah, I think they're all great.

And to be honest with you, if it would be up to me, I'd probably see if I could dance with one of the girls because they're just as incredible.

Yeah.

I know it's a little more difficult, but I just love the girls so much, too. But, like, I think you're always all around each other.

Well, I feel like JoJo and Jenna were such a testament to, like, how two girls or two women could dance together and make it feel like such a partnership and, like, one person taking the lead and the other following. And I think, like, that's the whole thing with dancing. And so I feel like they did such a great job of, like, showing that you can do that with two women, even though you might have an advantage of strength with a man.

I think I probably, you know... JoJo was such a experienced she's incredible she's an experienced dancer to where I think her and Jenna together were just unreal so I probably would need a guy to help me out but no they're all so great and I just yeah I love it so much I would die if that could ever happen for me it's amazing.

Okay we're putting it out there I know that putting it out in the universe I know that you're rooting for Tyler and Sharna because that's who you're like supporting but take them out of it who are you rooting for on the.

Show I think I would be so happy if Ezra won. He makes me cry every single week. I also love Connor Woods so much. He's also a friend of mine. And the chemistry that him and Riley have, it's just incredible. He's getting some tough scoring and some tough— They're.

Really harsh on him.

I don't understand the judging. This is my first season watching. So I don't know the like that. Like everybody's telling me like that this is how it always is. But I'm like, I don't understand.

No, I don't get it either. I always have a hard time.

And the whole like.

Getting on the lifts, Jenna on the lifts last week. And I'm like, everybody's doing lifts. I would need like a.

Handbook, I think, if I were to be on it. Because I wouldn't want to like, I would, again, be really hard on myself, I think, if I were to get like tough feedback from So I wouldn't want to like do anything wrong in the sense of.

Oh, yeah.

I don't know.

Yeah, that was drama.

But yeah, I think like hopefully this week, I think it's it's dedication. It's always like the best episode and should be very feel good. So hopefully some good energy gets brought.

I know. I'm hoping that to some positive vibes because it's been pretty negative. I feel like that's just social media, though.

Like that's what it is. One thousand percent. It's like as soon as a show pops off like this big, because same thing with Love Island. I think the fans are crazy. Like I got in on season six for us and it's just like quadrupled and like viewers and everyone online. And like, I really think how harsh people are about one another online makes it that much more difficult.

And like, even just everything that's going on with dancing right now, it's just crazy.

Well, I was telling her, cause we were talking about the Victoria's secret fashion show. And I was saying like, all I'm seeing on, I didn't watch it, but all I'm seeing are a lot of critiques and negative comments about it. And she was like, I loved it.

And I was like, it makes me.

Realize how negative everything is online because everyone has to find one thing to pick apart and complain about.

And I was blown away. Like I got up and I just was like, no notes. It was unreal.

Like I didn't think anything.

I literally had like one note.

Yeah.

And then you pull your phone out and then see how everyone is just like trashing the X, Y, Z. You're like, what? Did we watch the same show?

I didn't see the hate of.

Well, it's good. Yeah, it's good.

You got a positive algorithm.

Yeah, I want your algorithm.

Well, I was just going to say it. I was having that same argument about how with influencers, and I don't know if you've... I feel like you're very loved. I don't know if you've experienced this in the influencer space of getting opportunities, but it's almost like people root for someone and they watch their content and they almost...

like get them to this point where they're successful enough to get really big opportunities. And then they turn about, turn on them. Yep. Yeah. And I'm like, but.

That's so true. I fully agree.

Yeah.

I think people love rooting for like.

Either an underdog, but they also love feeling like someone's at their level if like maybe they're not doing great in life, but then they see someone in themselves. Like they're like, oh, well, she's also struggling and like I can relate to her so well. But then as soon as someone's on top of the world or like they're kind of, they go from here to here and they become a major celebrity and like they're not as relatable.

People like do get so angry about that.

Yeah.

But I do fully agree. It's like, but you're the one.

Who got them there by being such a good fan of, I don't know.

Well, it's like the same thing with Dancing with the Stars. It becomes that level, and then people want to bring it down or be negative about it.

I'm going to tell you, as a first-time watcher of Dancing with the Stars, this season is like popcorn. It's always something. Brian Austin Green going off on his tangents.

She's incredible.

I can't believe I forgot about her.

Amber.

Oh, my God. I would be happy if she won, too. She is like, oh, I love watching her, too. She was there last night, too.

Someone said she was watching and her husband just happened to watch the show. And it was Amber and Pasha doing their dance. And he goes, wow, he's doing a really good job. He thought Amber was the pro.

Oh, my gosh.

I was like, wow, that's a testament. That's crazy. She's so good.

I'm sure the ice skating helps, too, with all the.

Tricks she's able to do.

So it makes sense that she can look.

Like a pro.

First of all, what did you do before you were on The Bachelor?

You know what's so crazy?

I think people forget. I went on that show. I was 23 when I left for the show.

Wow, that's crazy.

And then turned 24 during the quarantine. So I was freshly 24 and it was COVID. So I graduated and then I started working for a mortgage company doing administrative work and advertising because I graduated with a marketing degree. Then I went back to school to get my master's for graphic design so then I was doing like a little bit of graphic design work here and there um and getting my master's um during COVID like because there wasn't really much yeah to do at that point so I was like well I just I'll go back to school I'll use my marketing degree for now and then like while I'm learning about this this is what I do well But I also think that helped now, you know, being or having like marketing under my belt and graphic

design and whatnot. I think it helps a little bit. Everything's marketing. But like, yeah, so was doing that for I'm not joking. I think it was like six months. It was like not a long time at all. And then I went on the show. And then after that, came home and never went back to work. So, like, I feel like I never got, like, a career. Like, this is my, yeah.

This is your career.

It's pretty cool.

Pretty cool career. I mean, yeah, I can't complain. Like, that's the one thing.

Like, I'll always be so thankful for the show and, like, where I'm at today because of it with, like, all the highs and lows. But, yeah, it's just crazy to think, like, I never even, I swear, in my life, like, in my head when I look back, it feels like I graduated and then COVID happened. and then Bachelor, and then now here I am.

Yeah, that's wild.

I feel like I just got thrown into it.

What do you see next? Okay, once you finish Dancing with the Stars, what.

Are you going to do?

Yeah, what's kind of next on the list?

I mean, I love the idea of getting back into TV somehow, some way. I feel like it's time. It's been a minute. But I think for me, I also really want to use my business and my marketing degree. I would love to create something Um, I have a few ideas. Me and Tate actually have an idea that we're like, we have to do this. Um, and then me and my best friend Jillian, she works in New York for Retrofit and she's like so incredible, but I'm always like, well, if you're ever wanting to like, you know, come start your own thing with me, like I would love.

To do that.

But yeah, I just have a few, um, I guess you could say like business endeavors I would love to do at some point. But yeah, I'm also just trying to see again. Throw in some spaghetti at the wall, see what sticks.

Well, I was going to say, you have so many categories where I feel like you have the food. I love watching your food videos.

Kind of what I'm chatting about.

It does have to do with, like, kitchen stuff, food things.

Yeah.

So, like, I would love to.

I love watching your content.

Thank you.

And you eat, like, very not gross. Like, it's very pleasant to watch. Oh, good. Well, I notice I cover my mouth a lot. Yeah, you're very respectful and cute when you eat.

Is that bad to not to chew on camera? People don't like that?

I personally don't. Some people do like it actually. Some people don't.

It's actually like a, like a, what's it called?

Misophobia.

Yeah.

Like it's actually a thing. Yeah. I do try to be a little, but also people are just gross on the internet. And if like, they can like clip you with your mouth open and like, it's just, yeah. It's like a scary thing out.

There, especially if you're a girl.

So like I try to, yes, exactly. So, but I do love food stuff. Like that's one of my biggest passions is like love food in general, but like even traveling. I plan my travels around trying certain foods in restaurants and really immersing myself in the culture when I'm home.

Love to cook. Love to bake.

I don't know what I'm doing half the time. I just find it fun. Yeah, but you do it so well.

And then you have, I feel like your makeup is always a thing. Which, by the way, you had this post that went viral. Oh, yeah.

We were talking about that.

On the way in here. What post?

So I got my makeup done by one of my friends. And she's incredible. She's so talented. She works with Makeup by Mario. And so it was like full glam. It was like a full beat. And I never do that. I'm like pretty natural, I guess, with my makeup for the most part. And people did not like it. They were like, who even is this? How much work have you had done? And then people will say like, I'm insecure because I've had all this work done in the last year.

I haven't had any work done.

Makeup can make it look like lots of things.

She really like people like thought I got lip filler.

A nose job.

Totally.

But makeup can do that.

Yeah.

It was crazy.

Like, yeah, like you had magazines writing articles about it. Like it was crazy.

I watched this video that you posted. I think you were selling some sort of bronzing stick. Maybe it was a YSL one. The Too Faced one. I wanted to buy it.

It's great.

I was like, I need to buy this.

Every time she posts, I'm like, I'll buy whatever these products are.

I'll only like.

Push products that I genuinely use and love. Like if you give me a product and I try it and it's really bad, I'm like, I cannot tell people to buy this because it doesn't work. Like, sorry.

I never knew you could put bronzer and all those. I was like, wow. Really?

Yeah. Oh, my God.

That's the one thing I love to do is my nose. Maybe that's the nose job allegations.

Well, I was like so confused because I think I missed. Did you post stories about it? About people's replies or something? Because all I saw was the post.

Oh, no, no. I posted, and then the comments were so crazy, and then I just went off back in the comments, like, just trolling people back. I was like, whatever. And, like, it was funny. Like, I wasn't taking it too seriously.

Right.

But then I posted another post of, like, just the glam itself, and it was like, good morning, or, like, hello to everyone, except for, I don't even remember the names, but it was funny. It was, like, Debbie's. It wasn't, like, Karen's, but, you know, it was, like, a Karen-type name. Right. And it was all the same women with the same name that were all being so mean, so it was just a funny coincidence. So I said, like, I don't know, I was being a little cheeky, I guess, in my next post.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think, like, just between me, like, going back and forth with a bunch of people in the comments and then, like, making another post about it, I think maybe that's.

Like, where it got picked up a little bit.

We'll pick it up.

Yeah.

I know you haven't had work done, but I need to know what you do to your eyebrows because I need— You should see.

My dad's eyebrows.

That's just your natural eyebrow.

Let me say this right now. I'll say it right now. This is where I get Botox. I get Botox. I grind my teeth terribly, clench my jaw really bad. So once a year, I'll get Master Botox. It's been life-changing for me. But if you don't, like, have pain in your jaw or clench your teeth, like, I would not recommend it because I actually think it can make your face saggier. So like for me, it was life changing.

Loved it. And then I think like end of 2023 or early 2024, I did some like facial balancing with my girl and she told me I had an underdeveloped chin. So we put like a little bit of chin filler right here years ago and I haven't touched it since. But like I still feel like it's there. I don't know. But like I think Botox has just been my best friend with Right here. Maybe that's with, like, my brows.

No, it's not that. I think she just has great brows.

No, it's not for my dad.

I'll show you.

My dad's and my sister's after this.

It's like my dream eyebrow because I'd get them laminated. I could never, mine could never look like that.

People think I do laminate them.

You don't laminate them?

No.

You just like that all the time when you wake up? You don't have to go every six weeks and get this smelly glue on your face?

No, I brush them out. But, like, I'll just put my own, like, brow gel in it. And then, like, I do have, like, a routine for them. I'll show you. But, like, also you should just see my family's eyebrows.

My dad's eyebrows are insane, sister.

Are insane.

If you told me you microbladed, if you anything, I would do it. Because I'm obsessed with your eyebrows.

I'll show you the glue I use, but, like, I'll show you what I do.

I do brush.

You know that trend where people.

Like, brushed them up really crazy and then kept them there?

Yeah.

I brush them up really crazy.

Okay.

But then I like brush them back down to where they look laminated.

I don't know.

I'll show you.

But I do have a little routine. But I also haven't touched them. Like you guys should. I need to show you what my brows looked like in college. I didn't have any. It was scary.

So did you put like oil on them?

I just stopped touching them. Oh, my God. Because I'm telling you, you'll get it.

Rosemary oil. That's what it is.

You'll get it when you see my dad. Like he has like a millimeter of like nothing. And then the rest is just all brow.

It's crazy.

So I get it from him for sure.

Those are genetics.

He's Honduran.

So, you know, I think it's just genetic.

They're so good.

I'm obsessed with you.

That's so funny. How have your friends reacted to your success and popularity?

Oh my God.

They think it's so weird.

Yeah. Like when you go do bachelorette parties and stuff and you're doing content, are they like, what are we doing? Are they awkward? Oh my God.

Yes, honestly. But I really don't like do it too much around them because I feel bad doing it. But like, I mean, they're so nice. They do say like, I think when I was gone for two months and then you know, filmed a show and they couldn't speak to me. They had no idea. They were like, is she going to come back the same? And they said that like, you know, I'm still the same person I was before and after the show, which is, you know, that's all I want.

Like I never want to like.

Change or have this industry make me someone I don't want to be. But I think like when we're out and about and someone comes up and will like talk to me or ask for a photo or something, they're like, God, I always forget. And that's so weird. They're just like, they think it's funny, but I mean, it also works for a benefit, especially when we're on a bachelorette trip, you know, some free champagne or something like that doesn't hurt.

Yeah.

Like I, I think like for like silly tech talks and stuff, they love it. Cause we're just being silly and funny, but like, I don't do a lot of like, get ready with me things around them because I, I don't want to like intrude on their space too.

I don't know.

Cause again, I think like when you're a younger age and you're all kind of doing it and it's more normal, it's okay.

Yeah.

But like we didn't grow up with TikTok and like doing get ready with me's and all the things. Cause we're, you know, we're all in our thirties now. So I think it's like not as like natural to them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know.

I do have some friends though, that like, they're so fashionable and they're, they are so good in the kitchen and I don't know, they have such a fascinating life as well.

Or like they would be so entertaining.

I'm always telling them, I'm like, you have to start it.

Pick up the phone, pick up the camera.

Yeah.

I'm like, you influence me all the time. And like, they're so, I just can see them doing it. And like, I know the benefits of it. Like, I know how incredible it can be, like at least financially, if nothing else. And so I'm like, Always trying to tell them, like, get over the weirdness of the camera of it all and like posting and feeling cringe.

Yeah.

Because, I mean, yeah, it can be life changing.

You do such a good job. When I was telling Tanya, I was like, her photo dumps are so perfect. I'm like, how did she get her lighting? How do you do that? Like, are you using lighting when you're taking photos? I'm trying to find the light.

Well, no, you know what it actually is?

What? I swear it's my camera. I do.

I don't have an iPhone.

I do my iPhone sometimes with the lighting's already naturally like good, but if it's not good, I whip my camera out. It's the old G7X. Like everyone has the Mark three. I have the Mark two and I swear it's better.

Really?

But I use the flash on there and it's like, yeah, it's life changing.

I don't even know how to use those cameras.

I'm sure you used them in middle school and stuff.

I'm such a boomer.

But it's like the digital cameras we used when we were younger. I'm sure like Remember when we would post to Facebook albums and have like 200 photos and they were off a little digital camera? It's like the same thing. We're just bringing them back.

I think we could do it. It's the new era of the digi. The digital camera.

Well, even last night when they were looking through my purse at the Victoria's Secret show.

Oh, I was like, who was looking through your purse?

They were like, you know, security.

Wait, you had the show? I missed this.

Yeah, she went to the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Oh, my God.

I'm sorry.

That's what she's in town for. Victoria's Secret fashion show. Dancing with the Stars tomorrow. Doing this podcast.

I thought she said you didn't go. And I was like, why wouldn't she go to that?

Oh, no.

She was saying.

I said she should be on the runway, not the audience.

Because I was in the audience. It was amazing.

Did you get to.

Meet anybody excited? Did you meet Nicole Kidman?

No, she sat right across from me though.

On the other side of the runway?

Literally right across from me. And so when that song came, Nicole Kidman came on, I have.

A great video of her.

She's like, Oh my gosh.

She's like so embarrassed, but.

It was just so fun to watch that.

She used to like own that.

I know. I don't know.

It's like everyone in the room turns and looks at you. Yeah.

Everyone with their phones out.

Yeah.

That's pretty.

Yeah.

Me included.

Yeah.

I'll show you this video.

So I, but, um, yeah, so it was epic.

Yeah.

But the, yeah.

So the security guy saw my camera in there and he was like, it's so weird. All of you guys walking in with digital cameras again, like, How are they back all this? He just was so confused because obviously it wasn't the only one that didn't.

You're like, what are you kids doing? What are you kids doing with those?

Yeah, but it was so much fun.

If you were on the runway, would you want... I always see the big wings and I personally think that they would trip me up.

Yep, me too.

So even though I know it's an honor to get those, I think I would prefer not to. But what would be your dream outfit?

You should have seen the ones.

I mean, did you watch... You've got to watch tonight. Just like this was by far my favorite outfits I'd ever seen, I think.

But I don't know. Like, this sounds crazy.

And I don't even know why I'm saying this because I was just about to say I just don't think I'd want something like super conservative. Like, I think I'd want, like.

Well, yeah, if you're up there, like.

I was saying there was, like, that whole section of, like, the pink outfits, you know, like, from, like, the pink collection. I'd be, like, bummed if I got one of those.

But, like, I think, like, the pink to me, I do love that they do that for, like, I guess the younger generation and everything.

But I think, like, that's, like, earning your stripes.

That's what I told her, yeah.

I think you start off as, like, a pink girl and then hopefully you work your way up to being, like, VS. But, yeah, like, I think I'd want something, like, just super beautiful, sparkly. I wouldn't want to be super covered up, which is weird because like right now I probably would be. I feel like I don't dress like super provocatively.

I don't know.

But yeah, I think like wings would be fun. I just feel like I would fall. Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe a medium sized wing.

Yeah.

Something like, I hear they're like up to like 60 or 70.

Those are like very heavy.

When they're walking, you.

Can feel the like strength that they have.

Yeah.

And how slow they turn around. Did you see Jazz too?

She was walking off and she was like, Just so heavy.

She's so beautiful.

Oh, my God. No. Jazz.

I think that's her name, right?

Yeah.

Jazz.

Models? Yeah. Wait, are you not talking about, is it Jasmine?

Is it Jasmine or Jazz?

The OG model, like one of the OG models? Yeah.

Yeah.

Wait, what's her name?

I think I messed that up. Maybe I'm thinking of an, but I swear her name's Jazz or Jasmine. She had really heavy wings on yesterday. She looked incredible.

Yeah, Jasmine Tooks.

That's what I thought.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know who she is. She's literally.

Perfect.

They are.

I know, but.

She was coming off the runway and someone clipped a video of her being like, oh, it's so heavy.

Oh, poor girl.

Yeah, so I know they're heavy, but because when she's walking down the runway, you can't tell. Like, you know they're heavy, but.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, they're so locked in.

This one.

She's stunning.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every time she pops up on my TikTok, I'm like. gorgeous she's gorgeous i.

Think rachel kirkconnell could be on that oh.

Yeah next year so funny i need.

To grow a few stars how tall are you i'm only five seven i think you're good yeah no you're good you're making all kinds of.

Like tall short yeah so dancing with the stars victoria's secret fashion show and then um a brand of your own.

Would love Traitors?

Would you do traitors?

Oh my God. Traitors would also be so much fun. I actually think I could be, you know, it's weird. I wouldn't want to be a traitor because it'd make me nervous, but I think that's how I would do the show best if I was a traitor. Oh, really? I think so.

I think I could play it off well.

You sneaky little liar.

I think I could.

I don't know. Sometimes I'm like, God, I'm such a bad liar, but I'm also really, really, really competitive and I'm really emotional. So I feel like if I'm like I don't know, creating relationships, and then I'm getting really sad about it. I could see myself feeling guilty and then crying, but then everyone would just be like, oh, she's so sad about so-and-so leaving.

I don't know.

But you're just so guilt? I don't know.

Yeah, I think being a traitor, it would be the most entertaining. This is where I'm really bad. I think I'm pretty gullible, so I don't think I could sniff a traitor out. Oh, yeah. And I think they would. Please. I don't think I could, so maybe that's why I'm like, I would need to be a trader. But I do love that show so much. That would be fun. That would be really fun.

Yeah.

I could see this. I feel like those three are very possible for you. And I feel like maybe you already know you're going on one of them or something. Oh, my God.

I wish. I wish. I mean, I love that we're putting it out in the universe.

That's always the goal. Thank you so much for scrubbing in, finally. it was so.

Lovely having you so much it was so fun.

And thanks for chatting and opening up and i hope you make it to dancing with the stars tomorrow for dedication night For your intro to the powers that be to get on the show.

Yeah, I need to just keep showing up.

Yeah, shake some hands.

Meet some people.

Do some deals. Give some smiles.

Nice to meet you.

Hopefully see you around.

I'll just get out on.

The floor after when everyone wraps and starts twirling around. Yeah, throw spaghetti.

We'll just start practicing.

Yeah.

Your frame.

She really wants this. Thank you.

Thank you, guys.

All right, bye.

Bye.

Bye. Bye.

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