The Power of the Pardon | The Traitors S5 E8

0:00 Abby, you won't hear this, but I must say this to you. If you were a witness to a crime and the police ask you to describe what you saw, tell them you're blind.

0:14 Follow me down into the valley of night Where all the flowering willow trees.

0:27 Grow Hi, hello, love you, Kalen.

0:37 Bye, pal. And welcome to the Patreon. No, it's not even Patreon. No, it's free.

0:43 It's free. Kalen, take all those.

0:45 Oh, thank you, Kay.

0:46 Very unprofessional beginning.

0:48 Oh, yeah, take all those cup waters, those espresso martini cup waters. Those can't be good, right?

0:55 They are good.

0:56 Okay.

0:56 I haven't had one in a while.

0:57 We're here to break down the sixth or seventh episode of the Traders Normies. What an episode we have on our hands today. Before we get into it, go to patreon.com slash another podcast network for Love is Blind, Salt Lake City, APS, PMZ returning, lots of amazing content over there. What'd you think of this episode, dude?

1:21 Loved it because I love to get mad at the players. You know, Dylan, if you remember two episodes back, I said about the traders while they're in the turret trying to decide.

1:32 They're idiots?

1:34 Well, they are idiots. What they should do about the Victor problem, because he was bringing up fruit, fruit gate. And I said, well, you need to do a calculation. In my calculation, after I ran in my brain, I did 1,000 different outcomes in four seconds. Oh, that's right. And I said, you need to kill him immediately. Because it's your best shot. Because if you leave this imbecile in here, he's just going to wreak havoc on you.

2:04 Yeah, I mean, I disagree with you. I think that this crop of traitors are faithful are so dumb and so bad. I mean, you have people like Abby, Morgan, Jay, Christy.

2:14 Well, there's two Abbys. It's menopause.

2:16 You shouldn't listen to anything she says.

2:19 I honestly feel like he is a plant. To just create discourse and chaos. Jay.

2:28 Oh, Jay, he's so annoying.

2:30 Nothing he does makes any sense except to.

2:36 I love at the round table, he goes, I would rather be wrong and go with my gut than take a false step that betrays my instinct. And Victor goes, what the fuck are you talking about? It's easy for you to say, I'm fucking going home. And he's like, oh my God, yeah, that's a good point.

2:55 The episode's amazing.

2:56 Yes. Well, really quickly, I know that you calculated a thousand different things in four seconds, like Chachupiti or Cloud. If I'm Katie up there, I'm trying to get these two to kill Victor as soon as possible. Why? Because it kills them. It guarantees you're the only traitor left.

3:17 Wait, to kill Victor? No, I am just sitting back. I am in the best place ever. You just let this play out as it will play out and try to distance yourself as far away as fucking possible.

3:28 I'm saying in the turret, nudge Tamika and Joe to kill Victor. Because then they have to play the frame game. It's going to come back on them. Katie distances herself from this if they kill Victor.

3:39 Generally, the way my mind works when I watch this show is I put myself in each one's mindset to understand where I would go with it. I have not spent a lot of time in Katie's brain.

3:49 Do you really do that?

3:50 I do. Jesus. Because we have to do as a player, right?

3:54 Yeah.

3:55 So I haven't spent a lot of time in Katie's perspective because I felt like she is so safe right now. Uh-huh. And the only player that's really after her is Ben and he's dangerous to her because he's had, he's been out for her for three episodes and there are some connecting points to Mika having named her randomly.

4:17 Um, they got to kill Ben. It's a good point. I hadn't thought about that. Ben's on her. She got to kill him. Well, how many blindfolds would you give him?

4:24 Hold on a couple other points here. Okay. I truly believe, and I mentioned this last episode, that producers of The Traitors, and they would never admit this, have four gimmicks of tools to use to manipulate the game. The pardon is one of them.

4:43 Beautiful.

4:45 I believe that. That is the one tool they can use where they don't have to admit they're fucking with the game. Because we don't know who got the pardon.

4:56 Oh, you're talking about it gives them creative license to just make shit up.

5:00 Sorry, I did not articulate that as well as I could have. Yes, but that is one way they can puppeteer the game.

5:08 Sausage factory. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

5:10 So to name Shane as the person, didn't we know who got the most gold that day?

5:17 I don't think we did. Okay.

5:19 Well, we should have.

5:20 I think what you're saying is it doesn't matter because they can just make it up.

5:23 They can make it up as they go along. So they probably start out the season with, all right, what are our four or five magical manipulation things that we can introduce into this game to, I don't know, make it more fun for the audience. And one of them was let's keep Victor around.

5:42 Yeah. I mean, it's up to Shane and Shane excelled this, this episode. I love Shane so much.

5:48 Okay.

5:48 Uh, so yes, I, I did. I enjoyed that too.

5:51 All right.

5:51 I'm going to give it, I love this episode. There's no such thing as a fucking bad episode.

5:56 Traders is pizza.

5:58 There is bad pizza though, Dylan. That, that no longer is a thing. I live in LA. There's lots of bad pizza. They have decided that, um, I don't know if, uh, our president, uh, uh, Make the pizza bad. No more sauce. I said no more sauce to Canada.

6:17 Right.

6:18 Bad Trump. There is no sauce on pizza anymore. You can't have pizza without tomato sauce. Anyway, pizza sucks in LA.

6:28 Pizza sucks in LA. It's also $ 60.

6:31 Sometimes $ 100. And so, no, there is bad pizza and there can be bad traders.

6:36 Have you tried this?

6:36 It's fermented. It's a sourdough starter.

6:39 Oh, yeah. Sounds good. How much?

6:41 It's $ 45 for a fig and pistachio pizza, and then it's $ 25 delivery, and then you have to tip.

6:48 Oh, my God.

6:48 That sounds delicious.

6:49 Oh, and that's just one?

6:50 Yeah, it's going to take four and a half hours to get here.

6:52 Why do I live here? This is such a fucking.

6:55 By the way, I tried to order and the place is closed. Well, that's how it works.

6:58 Yeah, they're only open Tuesday from 1.30 to 1.15.

7:02 Well, these Morins just tried to banish this asshole. Big mistake by the traders. They should have listened to me. Anyway, yeah, let's start the show. I'm going to give it 17 blindfolds.

7:15 Last week, we had our first real cliffhanger.

7:18 Katie.

7:18 had just a couple of things. Katie had written down Tamika's name. The rest of the dumbass fucking faithfuls had voted Victor. So he is in the circle awaiting his death, but he is saved by the power of the pardon. Or was he? I knew it was going to be Shane. You're looking around the room. You did? Yeah, 100%. It's just, it can only go to one person. The man with the most honor, the most stable human in this game, the iron worker.

7:52 So you'd wonder, why would the person that just voted for you to go, now, three minutes later, pardon you? Well, Shane will later explain, it's because.

8:04 I believed him. That's not what he says later in the episode.

8:09 It isn't? What did he say?

8:11 He gets really convoluted for his justification of using the pardon on victory. He's like, why would he... we'll get into it, but in this moment here, it's very obvious. And Shane can just say this.

8:24 He's too believable. Well, we're saying the same thing different ways.

8:28 But he's saying later in the episode, he says that he wouldn't be a traitor because he's going around and being loud about his gameplay. And in this moment he goes, I can see what's in front of me. It's very, very believable. I can tell he's not a traitor.

8:43 Yeah. So what you're referring to is, uh, which would, All right. So very convoluted here earlier days earlier, why would the guy who's a trader run around the house and announce there's a, there's a murder here tonight in plain sight, which I would argue Shane.

9:03 Shane knew that and then voted for him. So that wasn't the reason. Right.

9:08 So which one is it? Right. Exactly.

9:12 So he went back on it, but, um, Shane chooses to save Victor with his pardon. And it's a very fun way of doing it. There's a lot of anticipation and bars of escalating music. And then he goes, yeah, you can stay.

9:25 Also, all right, so I misspoke. There was a calculation by Shane, which was, what do you have to lose? If you banish him, the next round table, you can still fucking get rid of this idiot.

9:37 Well, and Katie brings this up in the turret, I think. And I hadn't thought about this. If you're a faithful and you do not use this pardon, it's going to come back to bite you because faithfuls don't want to get rid of people. That's not what faithfuls do. So it's very, very good gameplay to not only use this on this person, but to use it periodically. Now, I'm at this moment thinking, what's the point of this? Because they're just going to kill him tonight. Two things. One, the traitors are bad at this, so they're not going to kill him. But two, murder is off the books tonight.

10:15 So the person that got pardoned is going to stay around for another day.

10:19 Is that true? I don't think so.

10:21 Yeah, it's true.

10:23 The last conversation, sorry to- Oh, no, it's not. When we fast forward to that kitchen conversation with Joe and Victor, he's like, so you're going to kill me tonight? He's like, if I was a traitor, I would. I thought- That was the best ending of an episode ever.

10:39 I thought that- For some reason, there was no murder.

10:43 Oh, I'm sorry. Alan returns to the table, and I think he says, there will be no murder tonight. He does say that. He does say that. I'm sorry. You were right. I think it's the next day.

10:59 Okay. So there's no murder. Tamika's in a bad spot. Victor's still in the house, and Katie has her... crosshairs pointed at her. Tamika is absolutely dead to rights.

11:10 So, sorry, Dylan, they're going to do another round table in 10 minutes. That's the thing. Sorry.

11:17 Right.

11:18 So they're not going to kill anybody. Now Shane sits with Joe and Jay and Shane. Good question. Why would you go around? Hmm. Why would you go– this is where he kind of goes back. We're so all over the place. Sorry. It's been a long day. But he goes, why would you go around and playing like this if you were a traitor? And Jay, who is such a dumbass and is just so committed to his gameplay, goes, well, it's obvious. It's traitor on traitor. No, it's not.

11:57 God. So I want to jump back a few minutes earlier. Victor runs through that hallway after that round table like he just beat a double homicide.

12:06 Yeah.

12:08 And then Tamika wants to know why Katie put her name down.

12:12 Yeah.

12:13 The two of them talk. They're filling each other out. And she should know the answer to that. which is she's playing gameplay.

12:21 Like, and also Tamika swallows her bullshit way too fast. I mean, they might not have just, they might've just not shown it, but Katie's like, Oh my God, I am so sorry. I just didn't think you were going to. No, no, no, no, no. Don't ever fucking put my name on that placard. Okay.

12:36 Now, uh, Wyatt and Ben chat and they saw Victor be real. This is where, uh, and maybe fruit gate is something. So now he's got Wyatt. He's got Ben.

12:48 He's got Shane.

12:49 He's obviously got Shane. And he's got Joe and Katie, too. Well, yes, he's got Joe. Yeah, now they can't turn their backs on that. So then we get to the turret. Katie, Tamika quickly work out their reasons why they did what they did. So we don't have to discuss. Look, they're all trying to figure out how they stay alive.

13:10 And we get this fucking theorizing. So Victor, decent move. Then you got to play the frame game, right? Then we get to Clyde. Now, this would be, if they wanted to save Tamika, this is the move to make. You kill Clyde so that you can do a reverse frame. Clyde is the closest person to Tamika. She wouldn't have done that. And then these idiots put up Astro Girl.

13:39 The biggest asset they have in the house, the person who isn't Jay. She's not completely not taken seriously yet. She consistently feeds dis mal misinformation. They decide to murder her.

13:59 Their number one. If look, the Nazis had, I'm sorry to bring this up.

14:04 I hate when, you know, Jews, Jews can hear things about the Nazis. It's fine.

14:11 They had a amazing propagandist.

14:14 Gerbils.

14:16 Astro Abby is an amazing disinformation person for them.

14:20 She is the gerbils of the house.

14:21 Everyone believes for some reason, despite her having a zero record of accuracy.

14:29 She's batting zero.

14:30 Yeah. But for some reason, she garners a lot of trust. And to kill her was one of the most.

14:39 Insanely idiotic things. You kill two people, one of two people. Victor. And that's if Joe and Katie are on the same page going, let's just get Tamika out of here. Joe can't do that, though, because he's involved in this as well. So if Katie was smart, she would push them towards Victor because it would buy her a couple of weeks.

14:59 Joe and Tamika would be gone. And she could murder Ben in the process. The only other person is Clyde.

15:06 I told you two episodes ago, look, we can't go back in history. Joe and Katie should have separated themselves from Tamika two episodes ago and started going, look, I understand the fruit gate. Joe should have started making up a thing going, hey, Tamika asked me to start throwing fruit at people or some fucking bullshit story.

15:27 They do not. They're horrible. Everyone on this show is bad. We get to breakfast. Christy and Joe.

15:35 They're the first to enter. They chat.

15:38 They don't like the food clue. And Victor heads in and they say, how are you feeling right now? And he says, honestly, he takes a big giant breath.

15:47 I don't buy fruit gate.

15:48 He goes, I don't know.

15:50 Yeah. Uh, people, are you listening? He's one of the two people involved in fruit gate. And he's saying, I don't buy it. Really? You don't buy it. Are you listening to him?

15:59 Yeah.

15:59 He should be defending the position. Not saying I don't buy it. You wait. That's like saying to, uh, I don't know. Fucking, uh, uh, who's a serial killer. The fuck.

16:09 OJ Simpson.

16:10 OJ.

16:11 He killed a lot more people than just those two.

16:13 I think, um, I think you murdered those people. Hey, I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it.

16:21 Yeah.

16:23 Well, we got a lot of blood samples. I don't see it.

16:27 Here, let's do, who's the guy that put the, Jeffrey Dahmer.

16:33 Do Jeffrey Dahmer.

16:34 Okay. Jeffrey, we found a lot of body parts in your house.

16:40 Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not buying it. He had such a nice accent, you know what I mean? But he was actually a bloodlust and lusty murderer. Okay, so Shane is asked, and this is what I'll say about Victor. Victor, the thing going against Victor is that he's Jay-lite. He's annoying. He's abrasive. He's like a mosquito to these people. And if he was just a little curtailed, he would be taken a lot more seriously. That's right. But that's not Victor. Now, Shane is asked why He pardoned Victor. This is where he goes back to, well, the reason that I voted for him is actually the reason. It's just, you know, just be honest. What is this? What is this?

17:30 You want to know where we are? Well, okay. Well, Victor, Abby, Shane next. They arrive. I must say, I was surprised Victor was not killed when everyone's arriving. He must die. You can't keep him here. And that was, again, dumb. And then Joe explains killing him would have ended all of them. Yes, at this point, it would have ended all of them killing him. But you're already like... It wouldn't have ended Katie. What?

17:59 It wouldn't have ended Katie.

18:00 No, but we're talking about Joe here and Tamika. And Joe, I feel like... No, his end is indefinite as well.

18:07 Oh, he's done. But there was a big, big blunder. They call it in chess a blunder. Wyatt, who I think is good at this game, He's one of the only people that picked up on, what are we doing? We've eliminated people based on nothing. Can we go with the food clue thing? Wyatt, Ben, Shane, and Victor are the only people that are even halfway competent. Wyatt says, for some reason, that Abby would... be willing to die.

18:50 She said that if she was murdered, it was Wyatt that killed her.

18:55 Oh, okay.

18:55 Or no, if I was Wyatt, I would have killed me too. Something.

18:59 Okay. No, I got that note.

19:00 Okay.

19:01 So Astro Abby does not disappoint. So we learn Abby was murdered and it was one of the dumbest, uh, traitor murders in history. And, uh, it was meant to be a misdirection, but that's not going to work because they have a freight train, uh, loaded, uh, on steroids with two names coming for them. And that's, uh, Joe and Tamika. Now we cut to Astro Abby, who does not disappoint even upon being murdered.

19:31 Yeah.

19:31 And she walks in with that little envelope where she sits down in the chair. She says, and I quote, well, Told you so. Wyatt. It was Wyatt all along.

19:42 Wyatt all along.

19:43 He murdered me. Abby, you won't hear this, but I must say this to you. If you were a witness to a crime and the police ask you to describe what you saw, tell them you're blind because it will be better for everyone involved, including the murderer.

20:05 Right. Okay.

20:06 Because at least we'll have facts on.

20:10 On the ground. Yeah, I mean, maybe not for the murderer. The murderer would like her to talk, because even if she saw him slit the throat of multiple people and then multiple puppies, she would be like, I think it was.

20:21 The puppies.

20:21 The puppies. And they would go, ma'am, I don't know how that makes any sense. And she would say.

20:26 I graduated from... Caltech. MIT.

20:29 Right.

20:31 But that's not what I was referring to. Wyatt, when Abby goes, and in kind of the tail end of the breakfast... Starts mentioning that Abby promised that if she was gone, it would be Wyatt. Wyatt, you do not need to talk about any of that stuff.

20:51 So you're saying it's self-implicating. It's just not.

20:54 You don't need to bring clues, be they dumb or right on. up to the surface ever right definitely don't talk about that abby thought that you were going to be the one to kill her because that can come back and bite you in the ass so we're going right back to the round table which i'm so thrilled about this.

21:14 Alan arrives i love this and i know fans of the show they fucking don't like the missions they don't like when conversations during the day go too long yeah we always want a banishment and we want to murder that's how the show works Anyway, yes, go back to the round table. Various conversations break out.

21:32 Morgan picks up the crown of dumbest faithful. Morgan is so goddamn airheaded.

21:40 A lawyer, by the way.

21:41 She was thrown a fruit, and she's the one that's like, this fruit thing is so dumb. Everyone's moved on. Now, we then get to Christy, who says, someone needs to tell me what to do, because I don't have any brain cells. Her words, not mine. Now, Ben says- Victor is like Cher. They will live forever. And this blonde woman who I'm not even, is this another Abby? This is another Abby, I think, says, Victor is so confident about who he thinks is a traitor. He must be a traitor. I'm not confident about anybody. That's irrelevant. Just because you suck at this doesn't mean that he's a traitor.

22:22 I mean, I'm pulling my hair out. Now, Joe does a really good job of being in every single one of these conversations. Joe, despite being a sizable human being, sneaks his way into all of these deliberations. He's picking up information.

22:41 I am kind of shocked because you'd think... Well, Tameka has not been eliminated yet. I guess everyone's still, this is where the rule number one, be someone that everyone likes. I guess they're still comfortable with him at this point.

22:56 Now, Victor, this is the kind of mosquito shit that Victor needs to cut out. He follows Tameka everywhere. This is one of these things where it's like, it would be much better if you went and had conversations with people who weren't swayed yet.

23:12 No, I like it.

23:13 I don't like it at all.

23:14 It's annoying Dylan, but it says I'm watching you and it's, it projects to the other people, a traders not doing this. He is, he has conviction. He's like, you tried to fucking kill me. You guys. Now I'm saying, I believe so much. It's like a person that's like already gotten his death sentence.

23:35 So he's like, all right, Bring me all the KFC you can.

23:38 I don't care.

23:39 Right.

23:39 So I believe this person is so much of a traitor that I'm going to follow her around the house and torture her.

23:45 Well, at some point he's in a room with all of the traitors. It's him, Joe, Katie, and Tamika. And Victor, I don't know if Victor slips and falls into these moments of brilliance or if he's just so much better than everybody else. He looks like he's really good at this, but this is a, a, brilliant piece of gameplay he says in the cauldron this is essentially a little mini turret that he's he's doesn't know that he's in says that at some point the traders are going to have to thin the herd yes you can't all split the money okay this is the moment where joe and katie realize He's 100% right. She is that guy who got attacked by that shark on the beach. We have to take her out to the forest and leave her wailing.

24:43 And so far that we won't hear her cry. Yeah. Victor's much smarter. It's different gameplay than we saw from Rob Rauch.

24:53 Yeah.

24:54 Last season, which was way the best play we've ever seen. This is a different, little more chaotic.

24:59 It's nowhere near as good. He's going to go home in like two weeks.

25:02 Yeah. Because he's so annoying.

25:05 The traders are going to kill him. His gameplay is way too loud.

25:08 We'll see. But I want to point, I want to go a different direction here. So Morgan, the lawyer, who will not buy into any theories of fruit gate or whatever, she seems to, remember she.

25:22 Was the one- We're at the round table.

25:24 No, no, not yet. She was the one that, as you pointed out, Joe had thrown the apple to, yet the one least- open to the idea of fruit gate, right? She saw it with her own eyes, did not catch the fruit. What if this is, I'm giving a show idea to producers. We welcome a secret trader that is in the game. This is a production idea.

25:48 Oh, a trader that the traders don't know about.

25:50 No, the traders know because that person gives a vote too. As well. Maybe, I haven't worked this all out.

25:59 Yeah, because what you're saying doesn't make any sense.

26:00 Hold on. It's a secret traitor. Say it was Morgan, is a secret traitor that's playing along the entire time. As an audience, we don't know who the secret traitor is. They are giving a vote as well. They're playing along. They're manipulating the game.

26:14 They just don't go up into the turret.

26:16 They don't go up into the turret, and they're not revealed to the end who they are.

26:23 I got it. I got it. You could call them the rogue.

26:26 Love it. They sway the game. Could be fun questioning who it is the entire of the game. In this case, it would have been Morgan because her actions aren't making any sense. All right. Season.

26:38 That would be amazing.

26:40 Okay. So you like it, right? Yeah, I like it. Hey guys, when you steal my idea of the rogue trader. No, no, no.

26:47 You just call him the rogue.

26:48 The rogue. Okay, you guys owe Dylan and I $ 20 million.

26:52 I think probably $ 18 to $ 20 million, but here's the amazing thing about the rogue, right? The traders know that there's, the trader and the rogue know that there's a timetable and a lit fuse between the two of them because the rogue cannot be around in this game very long. And the rogue, while maybe aiding the traders, there's a tenuousness there Because he could flip at the end and start pointing out, but then the traitors can manipulate the narrative to go, maybe she's the rogue, maybe he's the rogue.

27:26 There's a lot of menacingness that can come, but ultimately I don't think it's a good idea.

27:30 Well, hold on. The rogue knows who the traitors are, but the traitors don't know who the rogue is.

27:36 You said the traitors did know who the rogue was.

27:38 I'm saying now, I'm workshopping it.

27:42 Okay.

27:43 It's a great idea.

27:44 All right, it's got some holes. Let's get to the roundtable. Just so much horseshit straight out of the gate. All right. My first thing that I really want to get to, I think Morgan throws out Abiel and Wyatt stuff. I'm just going to completely ignore what Morgan says moving forward. But Christy, when we're talking about Tamika saying, christy's name or katie's name and victor goes christy how do you feel about that or however they broach it she says tamika is going through menopause and she has brain fog and you should not listen to any names that come out of her mouth in what what planet are you on where anyone would take that seriously What kind of exemption is that? I get it. Menopause sucks. I mean,

28:39 I don't get it. But that's not, no.

28:43 It's not a thing. Okay. But Wyatt, if we can back up, asked the question, which is an uncomfortable one. He's like, why did they kill Abby?

28:52 We should actually back up because we're getting into a little Mary Cosme, Britney scenario where Pat's not saying that menopause isn't a thing. That's not saying that Robert Jr. 's passing is.

29:02 Oh, that's right.

29:03 Sorry. He was just saying that the menopause card in the.

29:06 Castle is not a thing. I'm saying I think the faithfuls at this point, as far as a reasoning for... They dismiss it as a reason for why brain fog.

29:20 Now, Wyatt comes off the top rope here and says, pay attention. No one is defending Tamika.

29:29 That's right. And.

29:31 Another really great piece of gameplay, which I don't know how these bozos are not ready for this, but Victor goes, Joe, if it's not. Tamika, who else could it be? Say a name.

29:44 I love it. This is, again, you got to put people on their heels. It's great.

29:50 Now, I don't.

29:54 Joe oh well first off victor points out to joe.

29:57 Sorry this is i think this is a horrible episode.

30:02 I'm amazing okay victor points out to joe hey you voted for me five times and that's when he says uh so if i'm a traitor uh who else is a traitor here buddy yeah and uh he gets joe to turn on tamika right That was the move.

30:17 That kills Tamika because... By the way, hold on.

30:22 I want to point this out. So Joe, I understand as a cast member of this game, I don't know what you're doing in this fucking castle, hotel, eating croissants all day or hard-boiled eggs. You have to be prepared mentally for questions that are coming at you like this, right? What you should say is, well, I don't know, maybe Shane...

30:47 why the fuck did he welcome you back?

30:49 Right.

30:49 Like have a response prepared to just go to Mika.

30:58 Right.

30:58 Like that is fucked out.

31:00 And Jay plays them like a fiddle too, because Jay knows that he can't jet. No, not Jay. Victor plays them. Jay doesn't play anything. Um, Victor knows that specifically Joe is, can't defend Tamika because it's going to further entrench the narrative that they were working together.

31:23 Well, he says, isn't that interesting that you're turning on Tamika? I mean, this is the kind of gameplay that I would do. He is more akin to how I would play the game than what Rob did last season when he won on Celebrity.

31:37 Yeah, I would just get scared, but I'd win. We get to the votes. Jay, first vote. I hate you. As a faithful, yada, yada, yada, shut up.

31:46 They got Morgan, the lawyer, to vote for Tamika.

31:48 Yes, they did. They got a lot of people to vote for Tamika. Chief among them, or one of the more important votes, is Katie. Katie is the best trader by a long shot, and this is really, really.

32:02 Doesn't say much.

32:02 This is a tough kind of.

32:08 It's a tough putt. She's got to read the table and she's got to make a call on whether this is going to kill her or not. She makes the right call. It's Tamika.

32:17 I think this wasn't a hard decision at all. One of the most grossest, obvious clues in trader history, when Joe votes for Tamika, he says openly to the table, and I quote, I hate to give Victor credit, But he did a good job here before Tamika reveals herself. Now, some would say, well done. You finally accomplished your goal of getting Tamika on the hot seat. Or some would argue, you found a traitor before she's revealed herself.

32:58 If you're going to say that, you have to end the sentence with, let's see if he's right, or something like that.

33:03 Thank you. So, hey, everybody.

33:08 Waving. Hi, I'm a traitor, everybody.

33:12 Thank you. Yeah.

33:13 So Tamika steps into the circle and tells everyone she is a traitor. And the room erupts. And I'm not sure how the fuck they are all not running and hugging Victor. Victor is so unappreciated by this sack of bozos. Do you guys realize how wrong you were?

33:32 This is the first traitor.

33:34 First traitor. Not only that, he had this three weeks ago. So you could have gotten, you could have been so much further along. Yet you chose to try to eliminate him, vote him time after time after time. Now you find out that he's right. And you guys are hugging each other.

33:51 Here's what I do.

33:51 Oh my God.

33:52 So here's the baller move that Patty would do. I go, everybody quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet. I have the floor. I point my finger at Joe and go, you're next. That's the fucking baller move. Now, Dylan, we didn't mention this, but Victor did make a mistake earlier in the episode. He named three traders that he was coming for. Do you remember who the third name was?

34:18 Jay.

34:19 Jay. If I am Joe, the move I'm making with every gasp of breath that I have left is to focus the attention on Jay.

34:29 You can't do it. Joe hasn't been on Jay. It would be weird. It would be really fucking weird.

34:35 And you work with Katie. If Katie's still willing to work.

34:37 With you, because Katie, at the end of this episode or at the end of this round table knows that Joe is next. She's very acutely aware that he's going. And if she's smart, she's going to, you know, there are a couple of different ways.

34:51 I'm in Joe's head right now. If Joe wants to see if he can eke out another week here, What you do is you try and see if you could get Jay on the fucking chopping block. If Jay gets on the round table and Victor is found wrong, Joe lives another week. And then there's another two players down. You murder Victor.

35:16 I'm telling you, it's a good idea.

35:18 I'm just saying.

35:19 The hole is way too deep that they've dug.

35:21 Completely agree.

35:22 This first night, we mentioned the fatal error is. Once you don't succeed with the fruit catching, you bail. You can't do this. I would have said fucking no to just no. We're not doing that. Absolutely not. Now, we get to Clyde, who is devastated. Clyde, wake up, okay? Take the beanie off, shine the cue ball, and let's get to work, okay?

35:53 This is the guy during the zombie apocalypse. I use this example quite a bit. Uh, it's the zombie apocalypse has started. He's weeping. And I said, um, Hey, give me your gun.

36:05 Oh yeah.

36:07 And I run.

36:07 Well, you shoot him because then you claim the meat. I mean, there's no, sorry.

36:14 You know what? I do shoot him because I don't want him to be killed by zombies.

36:18 Exactly. It's compassion and the meat.

36:20 And also I say, it wasn't going to work out for you. You're too emotional.

36:25 I think Clyde's going to go really far in this game.

36:27 He will not.

36:29 How much do you want to bet?

36:31 I don't want to bet. Gentleman's bet. Handshake.

36:34 I think he gets past episode 10.

36:38 He could be one of those players, which I haven't figured out the name for that gets carried on just because they're not a threat.

36:45 I feel like he's the dancing with the stars player of this season.

36:50 Like he's like Jerry Springer.

36:51 Like they keep voting for him. The guy from dancing with the stars, the dude that had that long hair. And he just made it all the way to the end and didn't say a word.

37:01 Oh, did he? Did he get the money?

37:03 No, but he made it to like the penultimate episode.

37:06 Oh, okay.

37:06 Clyde's going to go far. So Wyatt and Joe and Victor are all in the room or all in one of the bars afterwards. And Joe goes, so how hard are you going to come for me? And Victor goes, I don't know, pretty hard. And he goes, but you're going to kill me anyway, so it doesn't matter.

37:29 Well, if I was a traitor, I would. I love Victor's.

37:33 I just love Victor.

37:34 He's so, again, it's a perspective thing. We're looking through a prism of some of the worst gameplay we've ever seen. But Victor is good at this game.

37:48 Victor needs to go through the room and say, if I'm murdered tonight, promise me this. Joe is next.

37:56 Yeah.

37:57 Yeah. That's the only thing saving him.

38:00 Victor's going to get killed next episode. Thank you for listening, everybody.

38:04 It's fun, though. Bad traitors, bad faithfuls, wonderful television.

38:07 Get in the comments. Let us know what you thought about the episode. Join us at patreon.com slash another podcast network for Salt Lake City. And love is blind. I'm Dylan saying goodbye.

38:14 Pat say goodbye.

38:15 Later, dudes.