Joost Vanhaerents: VANHAERENTS ART COLLECTION

0:00 Music. Hallo zusammen und herzlich willkommen zu meinem Podcast Die Leichtigkeit der Kunst. Ein Salon Podcast über Kunst, Kultur und Gesellschaft, Mein Name ist Claudia Linzel und ich freue mich sehr, euch hier begrüßen zu dürfen. Diese Folge entsteht in Zusammenarbeit mit der Art Brossel, der internationalen Messe für zeitgenössische Kunst in Brüssel.

0:34 Ein Ort der Begegnung, des Austauschs, des Blicks nach vorn. Und weil wir uns im internationalen Dialog bewegen, ist diese Folge mit just van Harens Englisch Dearst first of all thank you so much for welcoming me here in Belgim. Scoo Owner of the Renow und Van Harens Art Collection Your Paar Family that Hass shaped one of a most forward thinking private in Contemporary Art, für Over five Decades you and your family have collected with a remarkable sense for Innovation, Artistic Relevance and Transformation.

1:13 Power Collection comment to being. Du faires like art brussels play in shaping are collect and what kind of art truely open our gase. Dearmore about your very first and counter wit out Yes äh tank you for coming to the von but or sorie started to three soon at the very Jürgen Hyperns would straig myself and my sister to eh different Art Museums and galeries and Exibitions and I was very ten years old that that time.

1:53 I feel a bit like Obelix, ja in the gold from the Asterix comic strip and he felt like a little chilld into the Battle of äh the magic potion and he be came and fensible for the rest of is live and so I was is a Childed as of merch denn die Battle of Art, Ich, But as we were first to go to Museums it turn out right and for me personally my first and country was the physic to the Abtei Bergmuseum in Mönchengladbach, Immer.

2:41 That was very imposant because my forder at the time was collecting more local belgin artists and, Mag the comperson between football and art and supports that you have been going to a local, or provential football much is all your life and You think okay, that's football and it the cird and time at you have the chanced to see liverpool play bye Munic and Champions League and Football, better completely from different level and that's the same with art and for me personally äh twist äh, Josef Beuys and that was very important because as a child they didn't not understand why you know this too place Jagentic Blocks of Solid Fat and monts of Welt in äh the endshol of a new build äh Museum and I disclaver clateron äh history on a video that we board in the

3:35 Museumsshop, Ich. Äh he was Sie really and he was äh find by talk to a clean who rapthim wird fat and rap ten into felt, to keep him warm and the materials that has äh safe this life, he used latering asist artistic the real like bloods äh like fat äh felts cooper and that would for me it was like some, Real Sting and he was agifted and passion it speaker and delivision and also individue you always he was talking to Students and discounting mit People over Art and then explaining his work to Students and it so the man with a famous good and it to certain in the video that he told that jeder Mensch ist ein Künstler and if you humanis and as a not is and for me that's very true because everyone has balance and that make him more here of very exceptional. And

4:50 furfend supporter of the flox of movement, you want to tol so to get read of the the leadside of artbeing in the Museum because that. Between People and Art and for me ähm Pinien Art didn't belong in Museums, but sho be on display and peoples living rooms and parks and squares and a public space and that's also my believe that artmous be accessible and Form Essential Part of the Daily Life. Only then art can be controly accessible and nom committle.

5:24 I always explain people in themuse, you can pass work of Arthur thousand times we douts. No to sing it and the thousand one time, we will bus and and you will stop and you will want to find out to created the work and what a artist trance to tell the world with mit. Bei Grand Child of a chells and you will not give the answer because you don't not the answer and then you will take the time to look it up on the enternet or find out, to with the artists and then also the meaning of the Artwork will Und for me the storie is of the Artist äh, I am always interested and what message doesn't not the stone to send out into the world mit Hills of Herwork and ähm, also Circle you not build in a day at happened

6:28 Gratulation and like all passions it grew and to something and controlble, eh ähm, we all we say passion is an encurable disease and there is no medication for it. Äh more rover its and it so transferble by birth and hitten by the Artwork and it lost for the rest of my Life and that's the same with might children and perhab so with my Grand child that and the future, he?

6:57 I think art taks you to another rolls and äh you are free if you were äh walking in the Arturals and ähm very words fail offen. Art take sover without any explonation and ähm for me äh I will still artist the food of the Soul bei Looking at Art and experiencing art, you can briefley scape from the readriece, very all in the live and äh for me artist like a pure Formel of of meditation.

7:25 So I am one of the most a thankfull person in the world. Case I had the chance to get in touch ways to you, you show me you very impressive. Van Harens Art Collection, but to all the people who are not here we just listening to this Would you like to tell me more about euro collection your family collection? Our collection the alway stell People we buy with or eyes and with or heart.

7:52 F wie wonder at support and to do a lot of visits and to go to a lot of. Gallery Shows and a lot of Museumshows and äh to Look at Art, that's the most important and some times, we do that that a high speed, because we look and it first lines we don't see something that, very haven interection with of did that takes or interest. But when the work takes your interest a oly say it's like Falling in love you stop, you see something and you say are that's that's something nice. I want a no more about it and then you go to the colours then you ask the artist.

8:28 What is the meaning of the work and if the explodation a so something good, then you have a double much and you get interessted and then for the turts step is to look Es Importy äh mit Career Artist of is it's already someone was äh Noldor artist that the end of viscorea so sometime you miss him or you didn't reconizem but when you have a much then I think you can by to work then if the prices corrects ey.

9:01 You can by the work because ein don't like the work in Festing. Ich never a noption forest. We always, but a world because we like it and some times we didn't botted because Ich. Things that you find beautiful or like or have about a meaning for you, that you think is äh very important äh and ähm that's the way that of another collection has grome.

9:37 Bei sometimes being at the right spot at right time, ja? Wenn der Chinese Artist and to the Artmarket Ich were dired a first row and we invested and we board the chain is artist an also. Art World was a mainly a Mail white Wird feminin Artist, but we never by art Infunction as is it may man or by women or a black or a white guy or a man or a women wie buy artworks in first time because we like them and even the artwork his more important then the artist himself.

10:22 That's the most important thing and so we have board year of to year the things that we like and some times you you fall in love it a norkist and every year that he produces work you buy new works and sow are you supporting not is like that and your try to do that as long as possible. So high that you cannot follow many more because we don't by artist when they are ready very new dore have high prices we try to Bidem in the start oright the beginning of their coreers and äh this is also as a collect support, ist, ja.

11:00 Do you fell in love with aartist? I fell in love with the nortest in two thousand the name with thomas Sarasseino why I like the work. I was completely ähm brown away by hess Is and also and a board him for long time äh had chance to meet him and to talk to him. I'm very glatt for him that he mate sots your fantastic a real here son all of the world hees very popular heres ähm Und all the success only the risal of his efforts that he makes every day and he's ähm, is a very good Artist an einem gleited do the people also thing the same thing about his work as me as a collector. Do you have song works wish a very sp Well I have a little Spiderbooks and ähm very clid with it because he's a not atect and he sees the spiders as the architects of nature because they start from nothing and they buils.

11:53 Tree Scoptures and ähm so hearn so much about spiders that scientists avisite studio to discoverty discovert about de Spiders and know so hess a viginary IDs how people live in the future no long oder liftable because it's will be polyvated and people will move as astronods and to space. He's a very vision only artist and he tells things that our very contempory because everybody a thinking about the care of nature the care of climate change how will we live in the future and it's a very important and he is a very actifated Artisties äh annective is thing is against the mining of lithium, is against the use of forcil of use and so he has proove that you can travel without using forcil Fuoce only by the heat of the sun so it's a not this to with very into realistic IDs and working closely beciene is the nostrial nots and it's not just

12:50 having funny Ideas it's a more than that and ähm. He show what the Palette, was was mine blowing and paris. And I have the feeling, that you really a fell in love with UGU Rondinoon, O'Geroden only thous äh story about time äh many works of hemore related to time. We live in a very hectic time and people are control by time we always look arter watch and we are always tressed because we get up, but morning, very early, we have to eat by time ricolated times and ich think Ich was no industrialisation and people World mostly and energy culture and so they follow the seasons any and spring they had for work hard to.

13:46 And to so the the products and then and some our the days what long People had to harfest and to take everything insight to over come the Winter and then and winter the days were short and people good rest there was no work on the Land and I like a by logical clock and so nature, to care for People because they had to work hard and spring and sommer but I had the time to rest and winter and that social the reason that you gond enony make thoes clogs and staying class, where he takes away the arms of the clock. Because events to confrontate People better on.

14:25 RB control by watch and our be always and a hurry and Double Take Time for South and to be äh care for sous. Äh because äh a lot of people cannot handle the stress if you look back for tee years ago the world was much less stressful and their was now internet, the was no E-Mail people communicated of the Phone or vital letter, that you could sent and a took three days to receiv Letter and after a Wikio had the nance, because it to cooke week.

14:55 To cent and to have a äh letter back, so there was less stress, äh Him that life is imposicals and so sometimes Rontinoni playson that, Level that we can control or on live and take decisions, that are good for health Sometimes, we have to say stop in this Hectic world and take time for aselse and tick about The Way that we stand in or lifes. In the news. The news are fouring to the four elements that you of news and is work, because you has made new sculptures that are molded on a real Dancers, Ballett Dancers and here mixes the vax with all types of soul because you has, get to corised or things on art in for elements, you have the water element of Fire the art.

15:51 And the air element and so he says that People belong to the art element, because we live on after or that we return to the eart. Test dost ashes, äh and so to imforsize on that he mixes the vax with all Sourso sorry, that you finends all of the world, so yes, like a brown, type of Soul, that's the normal eggricial grounds, you have like a green typer so that is more to typle Soil and then Black Soil ist more from Phonic areas and so here and mixes stoes body parts with that different type so saw and ason blatestem and to figures. And the figurs they our sitting and they are having their heads and away that they cannot connected you, they have the ice closed.

16:36 Very collect there into them sout so any we can only imagine what happens in the heads of those people and it so äh massive that he wants to send outs to the world that we have to be respect for because you see that also the joints of the very äh different body parts or not perfect there not polith there not so it emforces one revoluty of be, that we have to be careful a in relationships with people and to, Und.

17:11 Of world to three live in now. When we enter the collection we directly walk true huge picture with a couple. And the Skin ist like Fingerpainted. Yes, bei African Artists and Akra in Ghana. And also heiße studio Infina and you see the influence of egon chill in the work and ähm is are ready Painting and Agrar from two thousand and seven.

17:41 Was. Marianne Ibrahim, Cheese Originally from Chicago. Butch you has agallery and paris in also in Mexico City. She disco for time walk a warfur and heas an not this to pains with his fingers the skin parts of his Paintings and ähm, was a very big success and artle, Miami, where he was shoned for the first time and ähm he had a famous Oction Records and two thousand eighteen in afar in made them a big starr and now he so, Und he's a very respected Artistany also was the bigs of Amazon to pain to protection panals of one of is, ähm picture of as best friend äh from hisude and also picture of is moderat and he äh And ähm he's very lyric about it because he says I'm not only star I'm also the only star artist uh can say that my work has be in a morgen the stars and äh so ähm,

18:52 Talent, Dinner for two is like your building it seems like dired to buildings having a dinner. Ja. Dinner together is berastory behind the building? So be are hear in the agent industrial apart of personals, that ähm industry was it at the time and ähm the building consist of two ports. We have report from night to not of and dirty of two.

19:21 Und that's a support for ninety twenty-six, so, Betweeners a new building where or internce holise and that connect the both old a buildings and the ground flow, we have the entrance and also the circulation, with äh LFA to and the stell case and und äh Profrose, we have like smore capits but they also connect the two Agent buildings. And it the restauration was let by Robrecht in Darm.

19:52 Famous architekts from get and power obract also work for reon Hood at the documenta in Kassel in Ninety to wear he build to previllions and the Garden. Ich very quainted with art and he said about he's mission that he was only the cleaner of the space. Just that some Adjustments and he build like the collection rolls, the letter a worlds to hang the Artwork some.

20:17 Wird he cap to building mostly in the atmosphäre that it wors and he says that most of the Artworks are created and industry a loftstor lost Factories ähm any artist have their studios and old industrial spaces and is äh nice wail so to present the work in this format. Use sitting in front of a work from Gregor Hildebrand. Ja. What roll das music play in your life around the life of the collection.

20:44 Ähm Music is äh for me as for the important mositions out also Artists and every man Es ernordet, jeder Mensch ist ein Künstler, I think all soul musicians, are really artist if you see some times I go to a concert and he see or people. Bei Musical Musicals for many orctis also big inspiration so why should to be for the collector also about music true artist like that industrien to äh concert my some to to to tinder sticks and and rop Sogar.

21:23 Ich also food for the so like artist food for the solif you see sometimes a bans standing on the stage and sechs die thousand people Hoar in the sort of Friends äh because they like all the same music and they can thing, the songs from start to end äh by heart so. It's the something also magical but it's true that we here.

21:47 Name some of our collection presentations true songtext and the first one was ähm, Song by Warren seven, this ory in the house, then we had simplety for the Devil and man in the mirry and also my faugher did one of his exhibitions in the been now a Venice and it was cold hreak Hotel and was a elvis Presley so but it's no focus, because now, we are und also showing art, and now they are just cold collection presitation number one collection Presation Number two and number three. So it's no fixation on on los about it's truth that I personally like a lot of musical. And nowhere in the year of the sneak.

22:30 And you have a very specials make care and the Präsentation Call the Ordiance Room? Ja it's so a Project space, since the opening of the collection, we had David Altmade in the and the space. We had also I as plus have, Firmen bei Philipp Bareno wie. Wir have also small events in the collection. Also because as like a nice integration when people Und ähm wie have like a circle of Visicals and we new the work of the life west snake that you made and we are way to landest the work for year and here accepted this and the ear our of the Dragon is the life is snake, present in the collection and we are happy that is now the year of this note because now, it's real snake of twenty two meeters and a half long

23:46 und it's like Workdad is äh very into the problematic of the Refugee äh in the world. It's ähm compost by hundred and forty life wests der Ort ist collected on the shorts of lesbos the greek Island. People that fleef from the nord of Africa and mostly ähm Serie and ähm the not of Africa and over new and better life and the first part of they are forage is thresposing the mediterian see and that's the most differult and dangerousport of their journey.

24:23 And Wendday in Lesbos. It's just like a riving. And the start of new life and symbolicly day get rit of their life and they tori to way on the shorts of lesbos it nevery managed. Lesbos and and the Beach is of lesbos war full of life check its and Google it their plenty of live Fests on the ours and we'n visited Lesbos he was on the boat and he was a proaching the Island and from fored it was just like this skin over snake that Los scannen on the beach and even the inspiration to build äh Jack and ic snake that is compost of the house live wests and ähm that's for him like acritic, the problematic of the Refugee problem in the world and how people and politics a corpod it so what's a very äh mining for work

25:14 der was all so was nake in his work I think backs of pubed. Yes sometime see used the the animals of the so they are can hees work and at has not always a same meaning, because the i had make snake with school backs of children hoo died and oart great and that's more like a command on the fact that there's a lot of corruption in a chinese building sector, where they put not anof steel and the concreate and this cools were not save against urgwakes and their rosa time and important eartway in China and some school scorlaps and many children work that after the artgreat and then here recookated the.

25:54 Google Bags of the children enor so asamble them into a chiant snake and it's like also a command of I will way he's a very committed Artist to make a lot of Critics on different types of Problems that our in in this for it. And so äh it's äh critic on to corruption and chinese building world. Is it quat common that you meet artists?

26:16 Von mir Collection. Important thing that we meet or that we have to meet or to no ernordist before buy an not work. I think buin Art is like I told you before it's folling a love it a work and who the artists is les important than the quality of the work but ad the circ the moment like with like with to Masara Seno with different other artist.

26:41 Und. Very very good and you have a nice confirations. I had äh very nice confirations with Artist and I like to learn also, directly from the Artist himself, what is the message, what to do mean with you other can if you heared from first hand, it's always bettery and always say to people if you want to know what art is what's the mining of arts before you had to read very, Books retten bei Artritics and you took the time to read and entire page and if you red the Page you dind understand what what was whyden?

27:25 And so sometimes your very firstated when you read are books and articles that are ritten by artritics because they use difficult worsedy Das, Play Fit Yours, than you have plenty of nice and of use of artist explaining the work like podcasts that you make or other people make they are penty of podcasts, or artist.

27:54 First Hand, you head from the Artist and Ich do you have a nice titel Memory maybe the first meeting with the artist? When we event uh for the first time to New York, we had meeting with Jeffrey dies one of the most important are dealers and he was like the Man who this coffering Artists and he was like the first dealer of äh Jeff Coons at the time and we had to pleasure to visits the stitu of Jeff Kunst and that time, they were painting the celebration paintings and the was a huge make of the balloon dog standing, Oh very impressive to be eh inter studio of Jeff Kugeln send to see all those people.

28:45 Und saying hallo and showing around the studio. So. So you have all some upjeckts from Jeff Coons. The Dunky Mirror. Ja, we have a midtery yes and äh ja we have also his mobiles äh auf Jeff Grundsatz from the made in Heaven series, ja. And never artist here in your collection is Bruce Nomen, yes. And Paul McCasi.

29:16 Yes. They ähm get eighty asold in this year and äh it's so not is had äh that always has ähm, interested us my for the has bord a lot of work by him from mispirated series and ähm we meso a few times and ähm he's a very ähm, und, in make so so like a critis ism on the Hippocracy of some People and we all these acted el live in the great world, very everything a skiesful but their all so very cools happening and this very old and Putz his Finger write in the middle of the wood. And he wants to show someds on salta net. That's not always appreciated by, because they don't understand and they find his work for your violent and very.

30:15 Wird, The same with Bruce Nome äh I am very faste nated if people ask me what you all time favourite Artisty always say bruce no man because, Bruce Moman is that type of Artist with always tenus and everything that he does he can Every medium and hefy cater ates a not worky overlays has the gift to pic the right medium to make the work.

30:41 And some times at defidurk, sometime only a soundpiece, sometimes is the scotcher sometimes it's it's a neon and he expresses himsely on the last at ana very, Distinct Whey and ähm, also what's very good? What I've fine very good of Bruce Noman, that he has is on time skedul he cannot be first by Galorist to for some to produce every year äh new work.

31:09 To com back to the Artwork with new work hieß äh very controlling hieß own production when he works and when he doesn't work so it's it's living legend in the Arthrose. And we have a work here by ähm racy Men. USA importantist auf dem Young British Artists and the were al Young and the eighties big now their or fourty years older, we have very can ido and American Artist who works with stil and combinds it with the soft skin Material Wir have work by ähm chillian wearing that with never bordists because we want to by female Artist sometimes people come here and the as come hoe ho many belgens are in the collection. We a never told that we are collector of Belgien Art we are also not, Mal.

32:03 Who made it is not so important. I told you also when we walk around when I was a little child and also my sistery get a mission before we enter the Gallery. If you comme out of the coloury. I want to you to tell me, what was the den best work that we say in Exhibition. Und normal works, buttere one or two master works.

32:29 We wer traint to reconized the best quality works that or the best works and Exibition we K. And we had the same results eng äh sister. No äh we my father my sisters on times week Agreet that this was the best work and I have a very good visual memory. So, because every member for ence and all the richters that I saw before.

32:51 FM and front of a richtig cantale this a good one or that's a middle one because that you can Isely Comperer one with that all you other things that you so before because lot of People by art, by name because be i told you a name, ayman herse for example, they inhurs toes a big star, he's one of the biggest Artisting on the world he's one of my favorite artis has well. But sometimes people, Day in they are not interest and what they by from they inhurs has Mate Series that the less important then oter serious so a fee you have to learn about the Artist and look what is important what is what is äh the best perior? It's a same with here Basel it's I still producing work, but I his work, that he made in the eight is was,

33:37 so mindblowing wird die Orangen SRIC, die Orangen SS and the Exibitions Niaties it was fabulos. Wed I would to like to by circley by want a from the eighties, hey and I think, what you see is, what you get we give a presentation of the collection and we always think about what have you shown in the past so that People if they come here there's see new things, because many we have a public that is physiting us year of to year and Es I like like this is their foundation and peaking and New York.

34:16 That's the most Fantastic Asambly of contempory Arts and they never change the hang or and a presentation of the works, but you go there to see the mastered piece is of all the minimal Artists of then of Donald Jet of Bruce Norman äh Blinkie Palermo, ähm äh Andy Warhols, most fantastic resemlement of contempory Art. And it's just Frame from New York abdown äh a rong the headson. I from means the most fantastic Museum but eh here we have like Ja äh Family Collection and we show or collection and very's Pacific Ray and ähm some times it's äh, Es in the collection open every we girl every month. No, wenn mein Vater wanted to have a collection because one of the reasons is that we offenby Artworksetter much to big for on houses and because they have.

35:17 Hit was always a dream to have a building, very good experience or own collection. And then we were transforming this space, Ich, After People and Friends game to the collection that the sate. Ah the sibitti, that you don't open up for the public and that the cirta moments and the beginning of the collection, Every weekend, but as you know brucesels as not like baris or not like London or not like you new York, there you have, also, and see now the things in New York. Then we go to New York it's, Museums but here äh they open up and they some times they were here and they had for five physicals on a satte day and äh on a sunday and then you are the slave of your collection.

36:23 He good not see any atrocks any more he good not Go to Gallery sorgt to musemus, because he was all the time here. And then hieß always drastik and his actions, he say that I will close äh we will not open open im Orbit as children äh my sister and myself, we we said no we whon do that, once are month and we will concentrate all over Visitors on one satte day in the mont big Kalender and see that they are pict out when there is no fair, every will not to be open, when there is are basel.

36:58 We are only open when it's are presses, because that's äh when are broses and down but that we can go to free in London, that we can go to Miami year for want to and then we have programmed one satte day in a weak Doing this we have like sometimes, you have to hundred visitals on a ceteray and äh that's very nice also for the guides that they have a big roop that you can äh Walk around in the musing. So do you have a team of Creators Guides and we have no curators and we have a very small team äh also we have our father was.

37:35 And then my sister in myself we have fix dates and week that I'm here every tuesday, my every tooseday and then we common on different moments for different ocations when the something to do and the museum. Works half time and it's a very small team with for persons, äh the collection is lets and ähm, we have no external advisers or curators to äh Tallas wat to buy. We by the things that we like yourself and ähm, wie some I have a badget and I have a house and I have know.

38:15 Expert People if you buy a work of Art the most important thing is that you like it an also demount of money, that you spendonet, that it's okay for you. Wenn die anymore and you still like it then you have bord something that that is good for you, ne? FU by art and you pay too much money and after whats it's worknopping then you are only first trated and you have to say if it sport nothing tomorrow I still like it and you have made a rights dicision? Äh Russel is, the institution who brings us together do have a special, Moment on Art Brassels. What do you combying with Art Brussels? I call you a little secret because are brusses was very important forest and me choose a location for our collection,

39:05 ähm, wie. My Motto didn't want to go approad my father want to bring the collection perhaps even in New York. And was dreaming of a having äh Museum in ark. That's my moder with miss here children and a gran children so that was not a good plan, an ähm as a Location we choose Bresles, because it's, Cosmopolitan also.

39:54 But also defect that Brossous was a only City ambition with and contempory art fair and a international art fair because are brussels is The only Fair International out Fair in Baldin. Also that was very for us deciding to bring the collection to broses and all the time me had a nice collaboration with are bresses we open up for the vip program and we let the visitors visting the collection the day before the opening of the fair and also the satte day when the fair is open und opening day ha has no sense because everyone is then on the fair. Äh but we have a nice collaboration and it closs already many many years and we like to go so to the fair ourselves on on teurs day Und Collect Artist ähm.

40:41 And you have with nice confisations äh zum Meeting Point to connect to to talk about or to talk about the share passion, and ähm I have a friend to all for a saes a magic happens, when you share the passion. Da zwei verbaut sharing your passion telling people about your passion and Enjoy giving to see in the Museum myself because when I'm here to open up and can, äh we have very good traint guides here in the Museum.

41:19 Wir. Diffizitales and that's very important are brucess a very, quality fair, it's not a biggest fair, but it has a place because bellagent have thevision to be, One of the most important äh collect in the world collection a very important. Even in the past and toll now, there are very important bellaging collections and ähm I think for galors to come from my broad it so so interesting to connect with äh the bullion collectors a some of international galerist have Locations here in Brussels and because they want to have the when to be close by their market and ähm it so so good to this gover new things on the fair ähm, I like going to another because äh at the cirta moment, they mostally door presentation of their program that different works from Different Artist and it a thirty moment they bring also new people to the fair and you walk is that they present and they talk about so

42:24 it's a first and countr with a new artist and that happen to me another with on a im Hof happen to me with äh Sarah Senol perhapsital happen again, but you can ever predicted, Wir. Advises wie, Private Collections, what is the passion for more the people and sometimes you pick something up and then you get inspired then you also the side to by anartist, but as it I talk you will have no Budget Dead has to be spentair some time some years you by nothing and i know the years we by three or five for ehrkist. Etappens when it happens. When the passion is there. Ja. How das Art.

43:19 Brassels Stand-Out Competwor International Art Fairs. Well are brusses is a small fair and it's very easy to physit in one day, if you go to orsel. It's a very big fair and a takes lot of time and you are very tired afterphysitting because this lot to see and äh that two floors and ähm Des Pite of the small Size. I think äh there's a very high quality and are brussels.

43:44 And the fairestury well organised, there the corridoors and the stands or very spaces and they guaranty also optimal artexperience and ähm, I told you bells and collectors are non worldwide and also many for and galery stry to reach those bells and collect to a busses, Wir. To have a special. Extraordinary Recommentation for our listeners and we come and visit Art Broslist. Horch that's difficult ähm, Das, Okay, not your office. And äh here cannot eat and the collection but ähm theireplanty of resturns at we are here in the nice neigroard of the don't sart and you have plentyof restaurants here but if you want to ähm, Ich, it's in a Restaurant, where you can eat the cookids with crivettets and äh very good cook fresh fish.

45:04 Very nice restaurants, old interior, it's a very nice, place to to go ins very nearbi. The podcast. Die Leichtigkeit der Kunst of Art. What does it meanfory? Art ist not over always light. Not not really. Wird äh am Font of light art and art that has light in it and because I have a lot of and my personal collection because Es The same things any info Instants. When I but some sera sino for the first time. I four there and my sister work and fan of the work. So.

45:48 Collection and I did, sometimes you are my sisters more into minimal arts, you likes more abstract artworks, but ja, that's I like also the benimal artist like the Donald Jet and and then flaven and äh, as for Kelly, but that's not a generation, I was Leven Bourgan when they war at top of their cores and perhaps, when I was young at the time I would all the works of the was artists because I like them very much, but that's a not a period and acan enjoy Wenn I see you then flaven and donald Jet and as for Kelly the your the big stars of the minimalismen and I like to work very much, wird Jörg und Winst wie wie Bike und Tempri Art wie bei the Arts of today and the Artist of origineration hospeek the same language who experience the same things that happen in the world and sometimes it's not so good,

46:43 States with äh President US On Controllable if you see all the wars and the world and Israel in Ukraine it's a crazy world, you have financial instability, have the stress, Und some Artist they make for it confronting work. It's not always light the message but, Ich. The Way that we or in or lifes and how we are living or lifes, but it can also be confronting at doesn't have to be like promo Cartie is not so Leitigkeit äh Leichtigkeit in Front of you and how you respon to dives type of things and you can be afraid of the wars and you can be afraid of the situation, but I think you always have to look to the goodside of thinks and I will the something stupid but I am a big Star Wars-Fan ey.

47:49 Always survive even when this parke so little at begames a new fire and that's so about passion, it's the first always been from the darkside I really feel that you felt in love but our out and the motion you, you show and he I'm so happy to talk to you and get connected with you. Thanks a lot for your time, for showing me. Yeah.

48:13 Ölection. Thank so much. Thank you. Das war's für heute. Die nächste Folge erscheint in einer Woche und um sie nicht zu verpassen, folge der die Leichtigkeit der Kunst gerne auf deiner, Wenn dir diese Folge gefallen hat und dir auch die weiteren Episoden zusagen, dann hinterlasse doch gerne fünf Sternchen sowie eine wohlgesonnene Bewertung, Ich freue mich auch über Empfehlungen, Fragen, Kritik und natürlich auch weitere Themenvorschläge oder Gesprächspartnerinnen, Dazu kannst du gerne die Social Media Kanäle von die Leichtigkeit der Kunst, oder eine E-Mail an folgende Adresse schreiben. Info at die Leichtigkeit der Kunst, Danke fürs Zuhören und tschüss, bis zum nächsten Mal, deine.

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