GINA'S CASH-ITA CRISIS! | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. Raindrops, Alexis, Jansen, and I are back for another recap of the Real Housewives of Orange County.

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My girl is wearing a pink sweatshirt.

You look good.

I never sweatshirt it very often, but now you're sweatshirting it too. And we kind of have the Harajuku vibes going. You're Heather Dubrow and her Chanel and I'm all the other girls and they're hot pink. I loved the Harajuku. Is that how you pronounce it? I'm scared I'm saying it wrong now.

I love it. It's so great.

I love me a costume, but I'm like, dang, I really want to do that for Halloween one year. Not this year, but one year. I know. I know.

No, I loved it.

I thought the trip, first of all, the trip was great.

I like the fact that they were able to tap into their culture and just really have fun and give us some great commentary.

But listen, comparing me to Heather Dubrow, I have.

Listen, I am Gina in a casita, allegedly, compared to Heather's shit.

I'm not comparing you like you're both chocolate or you're both vanilla or where you live. I'm comparing.

I am chocolate.

I'm comparing... And she's not. I'm comparing the fact that you, you are wearing black Harajuku vibe. And that's what Heather did. She did the Chanel version, black and white, and I'm wearing the bright pink, which I didn't even put to, I didn't even think about it until you started this. Can I ask you, have you ever wanted to go to Tokyo?

Oh, it's on my like bucket list.

Oh, it is.

Okay.

So when Heather said that, I'm like, I have to ask Carlos. Cause it never was on mine at all until I saw this episode. Oh no.

Going to Japan is like seriously on my bucket list.

But I mean, I just, I, you know, and I feel like it's like, you know, the Asian, you get a lot of that, but the Tokyo.

Is like, Yes.

It's a beautiful, beautiful city in addition to the culture and the fashions and the food. I am here for everybody who I know that went and have said, Carlos, you have to go.

I agree. After watching this, I want to. Here's the thing, Carlos. You and I have connections with producers, so we need to call them and get the exact itinerary that those do. We can do exactly that because they had the perfect trip set up. I wonder how many months it took those that team to put that all together for the girls, but it was the perfect trip.

It was actually, it was. And listen, I will call new. Look, I will call Luke Ness. Let's just show him runner.

And get the T know that.

But listen, I feel like based on if I got this wrong is next week, the finale is, I.

Feel like it is, but I didn't know for sure.

Me neither. I don't know.

I feel like it's the finale. I don't know, but let's get into this.

Let me call my people to call their people to find out if that's the last finale, okay?

Honey, honey, you got the people of the people, honey. No, no, no that. So look, in this episode, it starts off with this conversation that was had between Heather and a group of girls, Emily was there, about, you know, Gina spending her money because we saw them shopping. And you know what's so funny? Not to like not continue whatever.

Alexa's reaction was mine, but once I finish, I will explain to her too why I agree with her. Okay. So Gina is shopping as any adult would. Whether you have one child or 10.

Or whether you have $ 1 or 10. Or $ 10. You're going to shop in your budget and you're going to shop. If you're in Tokyo, do as the Tokyo people do and you shop, okay?

Yes.

And according to Jamie, hey, Jamie, the finale is next Thursday.

Oh, I see you have people in high places there. Thanks, Jamie.

It doesn't come as high than my Jamie. Thank you, Jamie. So with that being said, look, Gina's shopping and Emily goes back. Once again, Alexis, we talked about this last week, the game of telephone. So once again, Emily goes back to the hotel. You know, she's sharing a room with Gina and she says, oh, by the way, Heather has concerns about how much money you're spending.

She wonders if you are.

Acting like an actress who gets a gig and once they get the gig, they spend the money without having another gig in place because we all know in Hollywood, you're only as good as your last gig and it's not a sustainable salary job. So Gina rightfully so offended because she's.

Like, number one, why are you counting my money?

Number two, if you felt so concerned about my money habits, why didn't you give me the real estate opportunity for your child to have, you know, a place to stay. And three, she has a job. And for me, team Gina here. And look, I'm not going to make this all about dissing Heather, but once again, I've said this once and I'll say it again, Heather, this is my opinion.

This is the look. These are the thoughts and commentary of only Carlos King. Do not include Alexis Jansen in this. This is only the thoughts and opinions of Carlos King. I think Heather is so pretentious, which, by the way, isn't a bad thing. I like my reality stars that have a little bit of quirks about them. That's hers.

But it goes to show you that I've been saying this for years. When she looks at Gina specifically, she looks at her like a charity case. And that commentary concern illustrated that for me.

Wow. Okay. Well, I do feel like it's nobody's business on Housewives to judge other people on how they're spending their money. It goes back to the episode where Jen, it was one of our first years. And maybe even the year before, maybe it was even, so I did season 18. Maybe it was season 17. when Jen first got on and someone made the comment about, well, if your house is getting foreclosed on or, you know, you're getting evacuated, why are, why are you wearing a Rolex?

It's nobody's business how people get their money, use their money, go broke, get rich. It's nobody's business. It's like money and housewives should not mix, but it's actually like the biggest storyline of every housewives franchise is like the money and all the questions that will go around the money.

But so I just felt like it was so out of line because like if Gina was Let's say Gina just closed a huge house and she has to go fall shopping or whatever month they went to Japan. I forget what it was, but whatever month they were, she needs a few items for this or she wants this. And she set a certain amount of money aside from her money to go shopping. Whose business is it to say, oh, now you're going to go broke? I don't think Gina is going to go broke. Okay. I think she's wise enough now when you are raising kids on your own, you're wise enough to know like the money that's going to be bleeding out of you when you come, you know, they go to college and and everything. It's, it's, I, I just was so, I was so just kind of

irked by the whole thing and thought, man, they're just really looking for something to grab at something else to, cause they're, everything's kind of kumbaya. So it seems like they're just grabbing.

Yeah. And I, what?

My sentiment based on the last scene of this episode, but we will get to that. My beautiful blonde, we will get to that. And I say to you, I haven't been so infuriated than watching the ending of this episode. But I'll explain to you why. Oh, my gosh.

I'm so excited to hear because I do not have that reaction.

I'm angry. Okay.

Well, let's get through this so we can get to the end because now I'm excited.

Alexis said, how about we fast forward to the end?

Wait to the end and then go to the beginning. Go to the beginning. Wait. I can wait. Raindrops. Stay tuned. Okay. Listen, I... Obviously, I'm on Gina's side, which is why when Gina confronted Heather about this, Heather's like, look, I just want to make sure you're good. And I wasn't counting your money.

I wasn't doing any of those things. I just wanted to make sure that Everything you were doing were right. And then, you know, Jen and Tam was like, no, no, no, no, no.

It wasn't like that. It wasn't like that.

You know, we were just concerned about making sure you were good. And then Jen is like, cause you know, um, you're inspiring because you went from living in a casita to your new house and Gina loses it. Like, first of all, I wasn't living in a casita with my children. My husband was, was living in LA for work. I would go on the weekends and live in Casita. And you guys are making it seem like I was just like this. haphazard woman putting my kids through that and once again Gina sigh because this is how I feel unless you're asking me to loan you money I have no right to worry about how you're spending yours.

Oh, my gosh. That is so true.

Right? And Alexis, let's break the fourth wall. Gina is a seven-season, maybe five. I may be stretching.

Seven. No.

No, it's just five.

She was five on 18. So now she's six, seven.

She's seven.

Yeah.

Jamie, make sure I'm accurate, please. Gina is a seven-season housewife consecutively. She's getting paid from the show too, guys. That's why, to your point, are y'all just making shit up to have something to fight about? She's getting paid by Bravo.

Right. On top of selling 20 million, closing 20 million in real estate, according to Emily. We have to say that because it didn't come out of Gina's mouth. Yeah.

As a mom, did you understand where she was coming from?

Well, oh yes. Cause I mean, you, it's called nest. It's kind of called nesting. And it's when you are just starting the initial process of a divorce and you don't want to uproot the children right away. Your parents are already breaking up and that's enough for the little kids to handle. That's enough on their shoulders, whether they're teenagers or younger, it doesn't matter. It's enough. Don't uproot their bedrooms. Don't go into a second home yet. Give them a month or two or however long you need to nest to process it all. Make it exciting that you found another home. Now you have two homes, guys.

You have two bedrooms. Make things happen a little slower. So what Gina was doing was simply when her husband came soon to be ex-husband came into town, he got the house so the kids didn't have to move. She went to a casita, but why wouldn't you? I would go stay with friends or go rent a hotel room. That's what, or stay in one of our other homes.

We had other homes, but then we were showing those. So whatever worked out, it was like, I would, that's what I would do. That's what Jim would do. Well, that's what she was doing. So it wasn't that she was living in a casita. However, I can see how it can be perceptualized as that. But you know, it was good that Gina put them in their place and said, I've never lived in a casita. She kind of yelled, yelled that, but I would be too, because it's like, don't, don't make something that's not there. I was not living.

I was nesting for my children. And I wish she would have said that term because that's really what it is, is nesting. But I wish she would have just said that. And I'm just like, it was for my kids, which she did say. So yeah. Another thing that was kind of being made out of nothing, but for the money part, it's like, if they weren't, if they were, if they were coming from a good place or were like, you know, how, how it was like, I forget what you just said. They, what words they used, but if it was like, they weren't judging it, And they weren't trying to make something out of nothing. Why did they even bring it up?

Because there's really no signs that she's going south or going back. She's even being so conscious with her money that she's deciding, do we even throw a big wedding or save the money for our kids? So she's not being unwise with her money. She's obviously maybe passing up a wedding for her children. So let's let Gina have her life.

Yeah. And listen, I'm not going to say they feel this way. I'm going to tell you how I feel. I also just feel like there are people in this world who like having a broke friend. You know what I mean? You call it.

A charity case kind of thing.

I mean, don't we.

All have someone that's not like, like that's a little, that's broke.

According to where we're at.

Everyone does. I mean, people that are so much, you know, like I'm broke to most people in my group.

True, true. Listen, listen. I have a few billionaires in my phone that I'm like, can you loan me some money, please? But I'm good. And they're like, we don't need to loan it.

You can just have it at your Christmas present. You're like, thank you.

You know, sometimes I do feel like, listen, I'm a good person. If you've ever felt the need as a.

Tax write-off, You know, like.

Donate to my company. Donate to me, please.

You know, the charity of Carlos.

I will appreciate it. And it's not even a deal in your pocketbook.

But I do feel like when it comes to Gina.

Listen, and you know me, I really do have, like, a soft spot for Gina. I... Ever since she got on the show, by the way, she's been on the show since season 13. So if you count season 13... she's had eight seasons. 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. Yeah. Kudos to her for that. But what I will say is I just think she is somebody that is doing so well in life. And we've seen her go through divorce.

We've seen her deal with a DUI. We've seen her deal with trying to get back on her feet. And it's sort of like To your point, Alexis, why make this an issue? Are you guys struggling for a storyline? Are you guys kicking her because you want her to stay down? Do you know what I mean?

I don't know.

This whole episode I was so offended by, but it started with that because I'm just like, this woman, Gina, who I affectionately call Gina Altman... Um, she bothers no one when it comes to like their money. You know what I mean? Like she, she's not that type of person. And when she's made this comment about Heather, which I was like, Ooh, Heather, Heather, not gonna like that. I wonder if it'll get addressed at the reunion when she's like, how does she get her money? How, you know, like Emily, well, she has a podcast.

Oh yeah.

I'm pretty sure she's making a lot of money in that podcast. Um, so like, listen, Heather, no shade. And I'm all, let me tell you something. I'm all for a wife marrying a rich man. I, look, I think all women should. But anyways, my thing is this.

I think it should be a part of like a course in high school.

But my thing is this.

Well, then how are any of the men going to get wives? What's your course going to be for that one?

Economics of marriage and you.

Broke me oh broke man you become the celibate ones celibate I don't know where your book is going but that book is gonna make it nowhere I'm.

Just saying so Heather Heather has a shitload of money because of her husband and Which again, to me is not a diss.

Are you sure? Hold on. Are you sure? Because her mom seems pretty affluent. We never really met her dad. Okay.

Okay.

Well you're talking. So her mom's money's here and then Terry's up here.

Yeah. And I think, listen, listen, I think between her being a trust fund baby allegedly, cause I don't know her pockets. Right. And I'm not going to do to Heather what she did to Gina.

But that's what I'm saying is a trust fund baby means that she came from money too, honey.

No, I know. I know.

You said, no, no, no. You were saying her mother seems very well off.

So I was saying is either, I was agreeing with you that maybe her money comes from the status of her parents, maybe. But we know that she's married to Terry and Terry is a multimillionaire. But my point is no one, no one rightfully so judges Heather for being a kept woman because Because there's nothing wrong with being a kept woman. She's a mother. And I told you mothers should get a salary anyway. But as a woman whose husband is wealthy and Heather's only job is being a housewife on Bravo, what gives you agency to worry about a woman that does have a job that that pays her a salary outside of the Bravo show. That, to me, is why I felt it was very unfortunate that any conversation was having about Gina's money. And look,

you know I love Jen. And I'm going to end my point by saying this. Jen, you're the last one to talk about someone's money. And that's why Jen should have been the main one defending her versus joining in on the conversation. I was disappointed in Jen in that.

Well, and see, I read it a little different. I took it that Jen kind of did defend her and Jen did say, you know, no, no, no, we were just talking about it as this. And Heather said, you know, I respect Gina and I'm so happy for how far she's come. So I took it then that Jen was kind of being like, look, we were not doing this in a negative way. And then Jen even threw herself under the bus. Jen even said, look, I'll even talk about me when I was getting evicted. I said evacuated earlier. Oh, my gosh. I said evacuated. It's evicted people.

One moment. A lot of.

You went too fast to the brain. Yeah, it's called evicted. Anyway, she was like, I'll refer to myself. And so I feel I didn't feel like Jen was judging or doing something she shouldn't be doing. But but at the same time, like I liked how Gina stuck up for herself and just said, look, I I am making my own money and I'm fine and and leave it at that. And I'm just I was like, that was good. And she didn't even she didn't even get like, oh, what was me?

She was just firm in her stance and like, look, I'm doing just fine. You guys butt out.

Fight something. Yeah. Team Gina. Team Gina. This is Reality with the King. And I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

So Carmela, you know what's so funny?

I wonder if you know this, which is kind of not good.

Okay.

Did you notice Carmella wasn't in Tokyo?

Well, of course I noticed.

Oh, no. Oh, oh, oh. No, like during the trip. I forgot.

I didn't realize.

She was even a cast member?

Yes.

You're like, oh, this is the cast and Carmella's not there.

Oh, my.

I didn't know.

No, Alexis. Alexis, be honest.

Throughout the Tokyo trip, did you even think about Carmella?

No.

No, but I thought if she's not on this episode, she's not getting paid for this episode. So that sucks.

When she popped up, I said, oh, that's right. Where have you been?

We have an eighth housewife. Oops. Okay. Well, you're just being honest. Well, I just thought, first of all, I just thought this episode of the house of the Tokyo trip was just really good. I really, I really liked this episode. So I didn't, I didn't really, I wasn't, it's not that I wasn't thinking of where's Carmela, but I, it also wasn't, I was thinking. oh, we never missed Carmella.

So I don't know. It just stopped the episode.

I liked it. I liked it. So Carmella didn't go on the trip because her glucose levels were really high. And we know this based on other scenes where she has to inject herself for that. And she started to get emotional because she is concerned about where her life is hitting. She said that she's still having problems with Danny.

Our daughter's 18 years old, is about to leave the house and go to college. She also wonders whether or not she really has set her kids up to have an adult life. And she really starts to get emotional. And it goes to show you, too, that she is going through something real. And I do think when it comes to her authenticity on the show, these sort of conversations are important, which is why she is very likable to the audience. And we all agree. Brady know that it doesn't end well with Danny. They're not together. But how did you feel about hearing her as a mom talk about, like, pretty much having mom guilt?

I mean, it's just so real. I mean, every mom. And I'm going to tell you something. Because I'm going through it now with my kids all in college and one's in the fire, you know, fire world, fire station or fireman. It's like I'm. and married by the way, on his own, but it is such a real, it's almost like an identity crisis for yourself because you're like, I've been known so much. I know I'm a working woman also, but I've been known mostly as being a mom and it's my number one thing. So I felt for Carmela because I'm like, it's so real when you think they're all leaving the nest. And it is weird once they go to school, once they go to college, it changes the dynamic completely. Because like Kenna's home right now,

she just got her wisdom teeth out and she's been home for a week. But like, It's just different because she's so grown up now and in her own world after being a month at college. And it's not like we're like, oh, well, she's also in bed with chipmunk cheeks right now. But it's not like we're like, oh, let's go shopping. Let's go to lunch. Let's go do this.

It's just different because she misses her college friends. So I get it. Carmela knows what's coming. And it's like, oh, my gosh, this is going to change the dynamic of the family forever. for the rest of our forever. Now you just have to find your new dynamic, which is why it's an identity crisis for moms who are stay at home. Moms are just, you know, the most main caretaker.

I'm going through it with her. I feel it. And I felt sad for her. And I felt really sad for her about, about Danny. I think that it's, I think filming this show and you know, when you're in the spotlight with producers there inside your world, it's really hard just to act like everything's okay when it's not because everything's kind of being brought up to the surface.

And it's like, oh, and I think in her mind, she's like, I really have to look at this thing with Danny. Like I have to look at what's going on. And I, so I feel for her whole situation. I mean, imagine her children are now growing up. I mean, she still has three at home, I think, isn't it? Right. The one's the one's 18 and going off, but she's three more, but like she just lost that daughter to school or is getting ready to, and then Danny. So two losses all at one time. It's like, oof. Yeah.

It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. And I just think, wow, what she's going through is so relatable. And I really do like her a great deal.

And it's bringing a lot of light to diabetes too, because I had no idea like what, I mean, you always hear how horrible diabetes is, but you don't really know unless you have someone in your world that suffers from it and has to do all that. But like, I can't even imagine like her watch going off four times in the middle of the night because her glucose is so high and she has to wake up and go shoot herself and, and, you know, hope that she doesn't hope that nothing bad happens and she ended up in the hospital. It's just, it's tough.

It's really, it's really, really, really tough, but I really do appreciate her authenticity and really just going there in terms of what she's going through. Um, Jen had a scene where she's coming out with a line of fitness and And it is called Sexy Fitline.

I love it.

She's filming a workout video. And surprise, surprise, surprise. Gretchen was there. I was shocked. Why? Because.

I mean, Alexis, hello, darling. I mean, based on.

This is so controversial, but I'll say it. based on one of my favorite seasons of OC of all time, last season.

Last season was great to me. And I know people, I know people are like, eh, whatever.

Last season, me and Alexis literally would like scream every episode. I digress. Whatever, leave me alone. So I thought based on last season that that was the end of Gretchen. So to see her pop up, I was surprised.

Well, notice they didn't invite her to any of the all cast.

Thank you.

They didn't invite her to any others. They let her, they let her slip into a workout video with Jen, but you know, I don't know. I mean, I thought I was, I wasn't surprised at all. I kind of thought it fit and it was, it was good, you know? And I love the name sexy fit, by the way, I think Jen came up with, you know how she's saying, they're going, I need to find something that works for me.

I was just like, go girl. Like that is the one thing you have to figure out where to take this, this opportunity while you have it.

Yeah.

Like we all know it's fleeting and it can go great one year and then be gone the next.

So it's Carlos.

I'm so excited for us to, at the end of this podcast, maybe we should wait until the reunion airs. Do our little, our thing we do every, every season about who's going and who's staying and see if we're right.

I can't wait. I can't wait.

Maybe we wait until after the reunion for that.

No, we can't.

We can't. I'll give you a little taste of it based on the ending of the scene. Cause I'm still. Okay.

Well, let's, yeah.

I'm waiting.

No.

I was a prodigy, Gretchen. I agree with you.

Jen, if you ever wanted my advice, not that you're asking for it, right? You will make a shitload of money with this fitness line because that's you. That's her. She has a great body. She's known for her workouts. There's a lot of women, because I go to the gym, as you know, every day. And when I say to you, Alexis, the sort of apparel that women are wearing now at the gym, it's sexier than ever. It is very unique.

And I'm always like impressed with like the style of how these women are dressing, going to the gym, wearing athletic wear. So I think Jen is on something. I think this is something that is sustainable. And if I were you, Jen, this could be your she buy charade. This could be a line. If you're smart and you really want to make money outside of your Bravo check, I would have your sexy-ass man, Ryan... And you take this to the next level doing like fitness conventions. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think this was a genius idea. Genius.

The first and best thing they could do, though, which it requires money and it requires like really believing yourself, though, is to drop it on a brand company and ask them a branding company and ask them, how do we brand this? And what is our logo and where do we take it to the next level? Like you, it really does benefit people. to invest that money to get people who do this for a living with many different companies to get behind you and say, here's what you should do. Follow these rules. And here we go. You have to really believe that because it's a lot of money you drop. And as we all know, starting any business requires a lot of upfront.

Yeah.

And I believe in her and I think she could do it. I agree with you. I think it's her. I think she found her thing.

Yeah. And Jan, I would wear this line every time I'm filming. Every scene.

Of course, not a dinner scene.

That would get so annoying, though, to be in workout clothes every scene.

No!

I'm not saying we're to the quiet woman.

Well, you said every scene. That's every scene.

I mean, like, I mean, like when you're like, Hey, I got to talk shit about, you know, Gina.

The home scenes when you're with your kids or when you're with one other housewife or you're, when you're going out to coffee or when you're cleaning your house and they're getting you clean your house. Like you're yeah.

Okay. Yeah.

All the other scenes that aren't like with when you're out at a nice restaurant.

Exactly. And then on top of that, again, I'm giving you free advice. Take a gin. And Raindrops, tag Jen to tell her. Carlos can give you some great advice. Listen to it.

And Alexis, hello.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Yeah, tag her on me too.

I'm sorry.

By the way, funny story. One of my houses that I was looking to... Oh, never mind. I'm not talking about that. Never mind.

Okay. I know.

I was going to say, I thought we weren't talking about that.

Okay. Moving forward. I was like, we don't look like Alexis.

I was like, we were like having a private conversation. I forgot there was just too many listeners in on this.

Okay.

Here we go. So, Rae Drops.

Never mind.

Action.

And say to her, Carlos and Alexis, because, you know, listen.

You don't know this, and it's fine. You know the OC Housewives, they begrudgingly are like, what the fuck are these two saying about this episode? You know that, right? So, tell Jen to listen to this episode because Alexis and I are giving her good advice. My last advice would be this, Jen. Every time you wear the outfit on camera and they air it, Post that scene on your Instagram page and tell people where to buy it from.

There you go.

Wow. All great advice. And let's keep in mind that we do like her and we do talk well about her on these episodes. I like her. When they do DM her about this, the raindrops do DM her, then we can also let her know that if this is the only episode she listens to, we do talk highly about you, Jen.

We talk highly about everybody.

Well, highly in different versions of people, I guess. Different versions of highly, I mean. Different versions of highly about people. Okay.

Alexis.

Highly good or highly bad? Which highly are we talking about? Because if it involves someone with an HD screen on their TV, then we know what Carlos is.

Don't do it. Not Alexis.

This is a Carlos. Oh, please, Alexis. You have your moments.

I will say.

Oh, I have my moments.

And I got it all out there. And I think... John really got it all out there.

We are highly critical, but also highly complimentary. Okay.

There we go.

Okay. Moving on. Speaking of highly critical. Oh, geez.

Are we at the final episode? Are we at the final scene? I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm like.

I know.

I can't wait.

Okay.

Stop.

Tamara is meeting with Vicky. So she's with Vicky and the girls. Tamara wants to make sure that her and Vicky are good. And Tamara's like, look, we had our moment. You apologize. I appreciate it. I would like for you to know that I said something in my anger based on what Emily told me you.

Said about me and Sidney.

I did say, hey, why is she worried about me and Sydney when her and Brianna are speaking? And Vicky's like, that's not true. That's not true. Who told you that? That's not true.

What?

She has four kids.

We're good. We are good. We're not doing this. Why are you doing this? What are we doing? So Vicky's like, let's just, Vicky's like, I will do whatever it takes to not address this. whatever could be happening between me and my daughter, she created a whole deflection of like, let's dance. Let's party. Let me see you laugh. Let me do all these things to sort of like detract from the conversation. And I thought that was hilarious. I'm going to give it to Vicky. I actually laughed when she was doing that. But I will say this. I appreciate Tamra for saying, I will let you know on camera what I said when you weren't there. Versus someone else telling you, because we know how this show works, Game of Telephone. And without you seeing it.

On air.

So, kudos to Tamara for that.

Well, yeah, but again, okay, I will too. But to. To parlay on that because this is what I keep saying every time you give kudos to this. It's not a lot of kudos when they know they're going to get busted because if she doesn't, if Tamara doesn't bring it up to Vicky right now, then by the reunion, Vicky's going to have seen it and then it's going to be a big blow up at the reunion. So it's kind of like when you slip up and all of us do, if there's any housewife on any of the franchises in this sorority of housewives, if any of them say, I've never said anything I regret on camera, okay, you are lying from the pit of hell and you are also going to hell because you're lying. But, But I mean, when you do slip up, you do have

to own it. You have to go and own it because it's on camera, you know, and just say you're sorry. And I'm glad that they did.

I liked it.

They tried to kiss at the end. I love seeing a tipsy Heather. I thought that was just fun and funny and hilarious. And like, I agree with Tamara. I want more of a smashy pants than a, what would she call her? Smashy pants and fancy pants or like tipsy pants and whatever she called it. But I was like, yeah, I love it. So I don't know. I mean, I mean, but here's the deal. If you're coming at me with my kid about my kid, like in Tamara's defense, if you're coming at me with my kid, then all bets are off and you better watch out. Like, it's like, that is where it's below the belt. And I think that's where Tamara finally got like just overwhelmed with emotion.

And she didn't actually have a knee jerk reaction, like throwing a napkin in a face. She just accidentally slipped up and said, well, let's ask her if Brianna and her talking, you know, I think she did fine.

But here's the deal, though. What you and I both have seen this season is, yes, you would want someone to acknowledge that I said on camera, let me get in front of it, but they don't do that, right? They don't do it.

Oh, you're saying some women don't on this season, right?

They just don't. Unless they're called to the carpet for it, they just don't even address it. So that's why I appreciated her at least for being smart enough to say, Fuck, let me get in front of it. Because I do think she wanted to let Vicky know, I did say this behind her back. And before, look, before Emily, the bone collector, tells you it makes it bigger than what it is, I will tell you first. Because even when Heather apologized to Carmella, it's because, to your point, Heather found out on camera that they're talking about it. And she's like, well, fuck. Now I gotta like apologize to this woman. Versus saying, hey, before anyone tells you this, I did say this about you off camera.

Yeah.

That's totally different. You're right. It's a different setup. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

The moment y'all be waiting for.

Please tell me.

Please.

Because we don't agree on the end. I guess because I don't even have, I don't have any of the feelings that you're about to share. Okay.

I need a new cast.

Oh my gosh. You're, what?

I'm not saying everybody needs to be new. Let me talk about it.

Every season, they need to switch it up a little.

They need more than three people gone. So let me talk about it.

Yes, please.

So apparently, Alexis, out of nowhere, out of the blue sky, out of thin air, Jennifer feels... Jennifer... May I remind you, I complimented you before this statement. So, hey, leave me alone. Okay. I love you, though. Now Jennifer is questioning whether or not Tamara really wants to be her friend. And if she's asked, I can't even get it out. I'm so, like, annoyed by this. She's wondering if Tamara's being nice to her and asking her to take pictures because she wants to get Heather jealous.

Okay, now I did agree that was dorky. I don't understand why anyone would think that on the entire cast, but the whole cast jumped on board with it. But I don't agree.

Because it's what you and I both said earlier, and this scene made me realize, I said, you know what?

We need fresh story. That's why I would give it to Carmella.

You mean to tell me that this is the preseason finale.

And the drama that I have to expect.

Is you guys wondering if the reason why Tamara is nice to Jen is to make Heather jealous. I'm like, am I watching Saved by the Bell? Am I watching Dawson's Creek? Am I watching my so-called life? Am I watching a show based on high school kids who are worried about a friendship that is only valuable to make the next person jealous? I can tell you why Tamra's being nice to you, Jen, if you want to talk about it. It's because she's being told, we don't want Bill and Tamra this season. Can you get along with everybody?

She's trying to get along with you because she has a mandate to be nice. Which is why she told Bryce Sanders of Entertainment Tonight how one of you guys, or more than one of you guys, actually said to her, when are you going to do your thing? And she's like, what are you talking about? You know that thing you do that gets everyone activated.

It's called being real. It's called not being muzzled.

Yeah. Yeah. So the one season where she's like, hey, I'm taking a backseat to this shit. Let me get along with everybody.

Now they want the other Tamara.

When I say to you, it infuriated me because I was like, what the fuck do y'all want?

Right. Pick a lane and go. Here's another one. I am frustrated with you now too. Thank you very much for getting my blood pressure high. Now I need my blood, honey, bring my blood pressure cuff. Anyway, no, I'm kidding. But anyway, he's not even here. So I was joking. That was all acting, but this is, this is something I want you to think about. Okay.

Are you ready? Yeah.

Okay. I feel like this season, Whether it was, whether what I'm about to say is producers putting this in them a little bit and saying, this is kind of what we want for season 20, whether it's that the women are just having a little bit of PTSD from all the other seasons, or whether it's just, they're more interested in being, well, this is what it's about. Are they more interested in just being friends and creating a TV show? So that's what I feel like. They're more interested in just, let's have a real friendship and not worry about the show second, because It's like they're all they're all acting like their best friends when we really know deep down they probably aren't. But they're not if

they're not bringing the activated Real Housewives of Orange County that we like to see. So is that that the producers you would know more about this than me? Is that they're getting a little bit of a, you know, little bit from the higher ups saying, let's keep it a calm season? Is it that they truly just want to be friends? Or is it that they have PTSD in their overall the stupid napkin throwing kind of drama?

What is it?

A little bit of all of that, right? I definitely think, listen, it's pretty obvious that last season was in a lot of people's mind. I just got a fourth one.

I've got to hear this because this goes in your brain because you're going to give us, you have more knowledge on this. Or is it that the higher ups are doing this because they want to keep it kumbaya so there's no cliffhangers because they are going to recast, like you were saying, they need to get rid of three or four. Maybe that's it, Carlos. Maybe that's it.

Okay. This is what I think. I think based on the perception that last season was dark, this had to be a lighter season, especially because it's celebrating 20 years of this season, right? So to me, it's an obvious sort of like paintbrush, right? In terms of lighter, more fun, Vicky's back, let's get back to whatever. And I think a lot of them took that maybe a little bit too far, right? I think Tamara, rightfully so, said, fine, I'll do it. Like, no one appreciates me giving y'all good television. So, okay, let's see these other women do it, right?

And they failed miserably, the other women who can't hold a candle to Tamra Judge. With that being said, I.

Don't think that this was a.

Thing to make a cliffhanger where we don't know what's going to happen next season with the cast. I think every season you go in making the strongest cast you can so you don't have to cast three more people. So I don't think that. I think what's happening is this. I think these women don't know how to be friends but also call each other out and remain friends after doing so.

Where Tamara does. Tamara can do it. Tamara can be like, Yeah. We're here for a show.

Yeah. And when I look back on the legacy of this show, when you were on it, do you know what I mean? Like, we've seen you guys go through some shit.

Yes.

And we've seen you guys work your way back, but then call each other out. And one thing I will always, I will always, always, always say this. When Alex Baskin, the EP of the show, was on Kay Casey's podcast, because his company produces Beverly Hills and OC. And this will always remain in my memory when I talk about those two shows. He said the Beverly Hills women is a...

I'm paraphrasing. I'm paraphrasing. But he said that the Beverly Hills women, that producers struggle to get them to call each other out. Like, it's a lot of work to do it because that's not what they do. He said, but OC!

Oh!

He said, oh, see? And this was back in 2018.

So eight years ago he said this. He said, but oh, see?

Oh, there's not ever a problem with those ladies calling each other out. And I think what has happened with this current cast, I think they are playing the game of telephone because they don't have what it takes to have real conversations in front of each other's faces. And I think that will be the reason why we may see some changes. I'm hoping we see some. I don't think it needs to be like a big overhaul, but I definitely think we need some new blood here, babe.

And tell us, because I was going to say let's wait until after the reunion, but now we're only three episodes away from the end of the reunion, so we can do it again at the end of the reunion. But tell me who... After this, because you had such a strong feeling at the end of this episode, tell me who you think needs to go and who should stay.

I think Shannon needs to be a friend. You know, Shannon doesn't have a personal story.

You don't think gone all the way you think she should stay a friend of?

If I had it my way, she'll be gone. But I'm also being realistic. I don't think they'll fire her. So whatever. And I'm not promoting someone should get fired. But actually, take it how you want. I'm here to talk about what I think about what the show needs.

I think Shannon's schtick, I'm over it.

And I don't think Shannon has had a great personal story since she divorced David. Even when she was dealing with... Okay, let me stop myself because I'm wrong. The last interesting personal storyline Shannon had was when you came on that season and And it was about the whole situation with your now husband. Like that to me was, and I'm not saying this because we're friends. You know how I feel.

That season was fucking stellar.

Stellar.

At my expense.

At your expense, unfortunately, my love. It was a great season.

If you had really shown the truth, then it would have, it would have been, it would have, you know, been a little, go ahead.

It was a great season. Um, I just think Shannon doesn't have any personal story to talk about. I think she should be demoted. Heather doesn't live in... Heather does not live in OC. Why is she there?

But again, I understand.

She lived here for a lot of years. And by the way, don't you think they need her? Don't they need.

I was going to say that. She brings the wealth.

She brings some.

Yeah. I get it. I get it. I get it.

Unpopular opinion.

I don't care. I love Gina and I love Emily.

I like them.

Do you think they should stay now? Because at the beginning of the season, you said they should go. I didn't say they should go. It was last season we did these episodes.

I said split them up.

Oh, okay.

I said split them up. I will say this. I'm sorry, guys.

Emily is giving us some great personal story. I'm invested in her and Shane's marriage. I want to see what happens.

Can I ask you something about that before we get to who else you think need to move on? Why do her and Shane always only film their scene in their kitchen and neither of them are eating? Do they not have any other room in the house like that they could? Are they? go to the living room, go have a cup of tea, go take a stroll, go sit in the backyard. I'm like, why is it ever, or maybe it's just the way it works, but I'm like production. I am so sick of seeing their kitchen or throw some crackers out on the counter so that we're looking at crackers or something.

I'm like, okay, but okay.

So go ahead. You were saying about their marriage. You're invested in that.

Okay. I like Emily.

Okay.

I like Emily Gina and I'm not apologizing for it. Emily Gina stays. Okay. Tamara stays.

Okay.

Carmella stays. Okay.

Jen stays.

Okay. That's five women. Shannon Shannon Shannon demoted.

Okay.

Vicky thank you for 20 of seasons. Vicky's not into the... Sorry, listen. I personally don't have an issue with Vicky. Vicky doesn't like filming this particular show anymore, and let's put her out of her misery. Okay, is that all? She doesn't like the show, the job anymore.

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Is that all the girls?

Have you done all of them? That would mean, okay. I'm going to go back to Vicky. I want to go back to Vicky. Go ahead.

Heather. Okay. As of now, the ones who I believe should stay is Emily, Gina, Tamara, Carmela, Jen. That's one, two, three, four, five. That's five housewives. Heather can stay. So that's six. Heather, leave me alone. You can stay. Six housewives. Give me two more women.

He threw you a bone.

Beverly Hills has eight.

Beverly Hills has eight women. They got Lee Remini and Tracy Tudor to give us eight Beverly Hills girlies. Okay. Okay, go ahead.

So going, okay, by the way, I was like, okay, Heather, Carlos just gave you a prop, props right there. So he doesn't always, he gives props where props are due. Okay. I'm not even going to comment until after the reunion on if I think you're right.

Oh, you are so shady. Why are you going to have me?

Alexis, you are so shady.

How are you going to have me do it and not you do it?

Okay. I'll just say.

No, no, no, no.

You can go.

Actually, if you want, it's actually interesting. You can wait until after the reunion.

Why don't I write it down on a piece of paper right now? And then we'll see who's, and I won't even tell you what I think. And then we'll see if I agree with it or not after the reunion. Okay, let me write it down real quick.

I love a cliffhanger.

Look, I'm writing it on Kenneth College when I was doing some things. I'm writing on the back of the envelope so everyone knows when I turn this over tomorrow or next week or at the end in three weeks. Okay, I'm gonna write down who stays and who goes. Okay, I'm gonna say Okay. Okay. And then I want to go about Vicky real quick. I want to talk, I can talk about her while I, um, okay. So I just did it. I will, I will let you guys see this next week. Um, or no three weeks from now, but I, for Vicky, for me, I feel like you had Andy Cohen on all the, by the way, raindrops go back and listen to him and Andy Cohen. Cause I liked the insight Andy gave about Vicky. I loved the part where Vicky, Andy did not throw her under

the bus, did not say, yeah, she's being negative, didn't buy into everything that he's hearing behind the scenes from everyone, right, on all the, you know, Instagram and just all the ratings of what people are saying about her. I agree with him. He said, look, if we would have had them not film back-to-back, because she said they started filming three weeks after, and I've said this all along, Carlos.

I said she bit off more than she could chew. It's a lot to go back and film one full-time reality show, let alone do a girls' trip, which is a freaking– They are moving and shakalacking and going from A to B to Z. And you don't get a moment off that entire 14 days or however many they went. So then she comes back from that. She doesn't even get a breath. And then she's filming a full-time reality show again. So I just, I agree with him that it's like, look, I think the audience would have a different feel about her if we would have split it up.

So that's what I'm going to say. And I'm going to defend Vicky and I'm going to just give you a little, my two cents and I don't care if it's popular or not. And I'm the only thing I'm going to say about my poll that we're going to do after the reunion, is I think Vicky should stay. I love her. She brings something different to the show.

And I'm not saying this because she's my friend, because I've cracked on them all before, even if they are my friend. But there's something about watching her, even when she's being negative Nancy a little bit in certain scenes or wants to get her laptop out. There's just something I like to watch.

She's, no, listen, she's interesting, right? The issue is this for me.

Number one, if you guys haven't listened or watched my Andy Cohen interview, please do so. Thank you. Thank you, my love. I agree with you that she's interesting to watch. And I agree with you. I will go as far as saying this. Without Vicky this season, holy fuck.

You said that.

You said that before.

So then why do you want to see her go?

Because I'm going to tell you why. I can't muster another season of this. I just think this. She doesn't want... Listen, you know this too. She doesn't want to fight.

She doesn't. And guess what?

She's earned the right to feel that way. I don't... Listen, I don't think anybody should stay on a show or any job without doing your best. I think 20 years later... It's not the show anymore that she wants love. And I think the only reason why she would stay is for the ego of having an orange. I do find her interesting. But she's always going to put her laptop out.

She's always going to say, I don't want to talk about this shit, guys. Why are you guys bringing this up to me? I don't know. I want somebody to go toe-to-toe with Tamra. My favorite season two... was when Jen, and this was a fucking fact in this episode, honey, and I even told Tamra, I said, Tamra, I love you.

Jen got you together, bitch. Jen was good. When Jen stormed in that hotel room and said, bitch, don't talk about me, my fucking man. You're talking about Ryan.

No, you're, she goes, where'd they flash back to that? You're, you're doing a background check on Ryan. Like that was, yeah, yeah. Yes.

And Tamra was like, bring it, bitch. I want somebody that.

That was authentic, though. That's what you're missing.

It's not taking- That's my point.

It's authentic- That's my point.

Real moments. Yeah. Okay. Vicky is not going to give us an authentic, real moment with a sparring. She's not doing it, Alexis. I know.

You're right. Okay, so I see. I will tell you when you're right, but there's still enough of her quirkiness and her authenticity of just being who Vicky is that to me- Doesn't matter. She can, she can.

Give me the OC Rachel Zeldin, honey.

That's cheaper. I'm sorry. I'm not giving you a passing grade for doing the bare minimum. No, no, no.

Cass, Cass, Cass, I forgot her name.

Shit. Give me a second. She was on the show selling the OC. She was the star of the show. Her name starts with an A. Alex Hall. Oh, okay.

Okay, okay, okay. Keep going.

No, but go ahead. Alex Hall is this gorgeous blonde woman. She was the star of the show. She has so much teeth. She's a boss. She's professional. She's young. And she tells it like it is. Carlos King is advocating for the Real Housewives of Orange County to cast Alex Hall from Selling the OC. She belongs on that show.

She is gorgeous, funny, witty, and she means business. And I will go as far as saying this. She to me is the daughter of Tamara Judge as a reality TV star. Alex Hall has it, bitch.

Oh, okay. I just Googled her. Yeah, because I had to. Beautiful, right? Yeah, beautiful and looks like from here she has charisma, has a style. Love it. would she want to number one and number two, I was okay.

Well, that was fast.

I will fall out of my chair. If next season we're here and she's on the cast, I'm going to be like, God, Carlos, they do listen to our podcast. Alex and Andy, Alex Cohen, or Alex, Alex, Alex Cohen, do listen to you on this. Wow. I'm just going to die. Okay.

Well, I think that's what this show needs. And the thing about it is this. I always feel this way. I feel like each franchise, the city should represent... I'm sorry. The cast should represent the city. And the reason why the thing with Heather on 50-50, it's like you don't even live there anymore.

I can't get past that.

I get it. You're part of the legacy, sure. Sure. But you don't even live there. So like, I don't know. Whatever. My point is Alex Hall lives there and she looks like an OC housewife to me. Yeah.

And she's not bright blonde like a lot of them. So it kind of gives a little bit of a different dynamic depth to it. So let me ask you this. Do you think there's any way that they're getting ready to put a pause on OC?

Not pause. No. No? I think casting.

I think casting. And I will say this. If it wasn't for.

Them casting Leah Remini and Tracy Tudor, who I love, I love both of those ladies, and I cannot wait for Beverly Hills.

You cannot wait.

Cannot wait. If it wasn't for them casting that, I would have suggested to have it go to Beverly Hills.

But I heard somewhere in the grapevine that That they would never do that because of the fact that Heather is so needed on this cast to bring that flair that OC needs.

Yeah, yeah. And that's why I think she stays begrudgingly. I don't, don't, listen, we can talk about this next week. Don't get me started on whether or not Heather enjoys filming this show. Okay.

Well, let's wait and see what next.

If you guys believe for one second, Heather gets excited to drive down. I'm sorry to be driven down to the OC to film with these ladies. If you think for one second, she enjoys that Santa Claus is coming to your chimney, December 25th, please.

Well, he's coming to mind then because I don't agree with you.

You think she enjoys it?

I think she, I think with the amount of TikToks and all the, how much she gets in front of the phone and does all the things off camera and has all this free time on her hands for that. I, I think she likes to be in front of the camera, no matter where she has to drive. I think she would, I think a lot of the women would, I think she'd drive to fricking Tennessee every week if she had to, to be on. I don't know. So I don't agree with you. I think I don't think she minds it at all. She sits in the back of her car and she gets work done and creates TikTok ideas and makes notes about that. And she does, you know, gets to back home and does her five to get new material. Yeah, that's I mean, I don't think she minds.

It at all. It's not funny. I'm serious. Well, I'm not.

I mean, I'm serious. I don't think she minds it. Do you agree with me?

It could be very shady, but you want to. It's not shady.

A lot of people love doing the Instagram reels and all those, or not the reels, like likes to do a lot of the, a lot of people like that. I'm not throwing shade. I'm just saying. If you think about it, she's back there probably making notes and saying what she wants to do for her next six or seven funny things and and comedy couple couples comedy or whatever.

It's not a big deal. I love it. Half of them I laugh at, too. I just don't have enough hours in the day for that. I don't know. And I'm not even a housewife right now. I don't even have a full time housewife job. I don't have enough hours in the day to do that. So she loves it. So I think she's back there using her time wisely and coming down to film some scenes. I think, I don't think she minds it. Now, when you hear it like that, do you think she really minds it?

I think you are hysterical.

So you don't agree with me.

You are, first of all, you don't agree with me.

Your shade is good.

It's not shade, Carlos.

Okay, fine.

Emily loved doing it too. There's people that love doing it. Tamara and I will do one here and there and Tamara will do one when somebody else comes up with the idea and.

Is like, hey guys, let's do this.

Let's do this. Let's do this, whatever it's called, whatever they call them. And then we're like, oh, okay, put the music on. We'll do it. But it's not something I sit around and make a moment to figure out what I'm going to do for that week and then go do seven wardrobe changes to complete them all. But there's nothing wrong with it. It's not shade. It's people's desires and what they like to do. And it's fine.

There's nothing wrong with it. That's what I'm saying. I just don't think she minds it. And she's an empty nester almost now. So it's like, You do have more time on your hands. Maybe I'm going to get into that when all my kids are gone. Okay.

I don't know.

Okay. You are so, see, you like to find negative when there's not negative.

I am not. All I'm doing is saying.

There was no shade being thrown. It's just my opinion. And as in the words of Tamara, it's my opinion.

I know.

She likes it. She's fine. As long as she's on one of the shows, I think she's fine.

So raindrops.

Do me a favor.

It's not. Let us know in the comments how you guys feel about Alexis' declaration.

Well, also, do they agree? I mean, do they think she.

Do y'all agree? Or was that shade? No, no, no, no.

That's not the question, Raindrops. I'm saying this question this season or this podcast. Do you think that Heather enjoys... We'll do an Andy Cohen Watch What Happens Live poll. Does Heather enjoy... the drive, staying on this cast in Orange County, or is she what Carlos says, and she's miserable, and she'd rather be on Beverly Hills?

Okay, good question. Raindrops add in there if you think Alexis was throwing shade.

Okay, so Alexis.

I was not.

Next week is our finale of OC.

I can't believe it. Now, right when we're wanting to watch more, it's like, before we were like, shh. Now we're like, I don't want it to be the finale, but.

I know, but the good news is this. We get to, so what this also means too is this. Next week, we'll get the trailer for the reunion. Oh. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

Have you heard anything?

No. Huh. Have you?

I plead the fifth. Oh, okay.

Okay. In your opinion, Tamara Judge voice, on a scale of one to 10.

What do you mean in Tamara Judge voice? I don't get it.

That's my opinion. So that's a Tamara Judge voice. It's my opinion.

In your opinion, from what you heard from the grapevine.

Yes.

And this comes from someone that no one would even think has told me this information, but I have heard that it probably was a little- I don't know.

We'll see.

Let's watch the trailer. Maybe it could have had a little more pizzazz. Okay. Okay.

That's fair. And, Raindrop, we will recap the trailer next week along with the finale of OC.

And the poll. We're going to start with the poll.

And please, Spotify comments, tweet up.

I think more people are going to agree with me than you think. I think more people are going to be like, no, Heather's fine and loves it.

You have lost every poll this season.

Well, that means my chances of winning one are damn good because not anyone can have 100%. I get that 1%. It's like dumb and dumber. You're saying I have a chance? I have a 1% chance, Carlos, and I'm hanging on that 1%. And by God, I'm going to win one poll.

One of these days. All right, all right, all right. Raindrops, raindrops. Leave comments on my YouTube video, this episode. Leave comments. And Spotify, leave comments. And we will talk about who won. Not who won. There's no losers.

Right.

We'll talk about your thoughts.

Yeah, there we go.

Okay, there you go.

There you go. All right. Bye.

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I love you. And I will see you next week, boo. Bye.

Love you guys.

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