MAR-TELL ME WHO YOU LOVE | LAMH Recap with Claudia, Dustin & Blue

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. Love and Marriage Huntsville.

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Episode six. Okay. Let's get right into it, y'all. We are here to discuss the entire episode. But first thing first, we have to get into Arianne leaving the moment Destiny walks in. Nell says, Arianne, not you leaving because Destiny is here. What is going on? This moment even allowed Tisha and Destiny to even sort of like.

Find their way back. Make amends.

Right, Dustin? So, Dustin, what were your thoughts on this scene?

Sure. I thought that Nell and Letitia Scott were extremely petty for saying, not you leaving when Destiny coming. Not Destiny making you leave. There was a progression of. I'm going to go on and say it. They started off saying, oh, no, Arianne, don't leave. You really about to take off? And as Arianne was getting closer and closer to that doorframe, they went on and went for it. Not destiny making you leave.

Not you leaving when destiny come in. You know, that's what the conversation was. And I was laughing like, y'all petty as hell for that. But it was funny and it was right on time. And Arianne, I expect that of her. She didn't have anything prepared. She wasn't debrief. and demartelled before that interaction with Destiny. She was ready for Letitia Scott. She was ready for Kimmy Scott, but she wasn't ready for Destiny. She had to go back and get the download. You know what I'm saying? And be ready for war. When she went to Kimmy and Maurice's event later on in the episodes, you could tell she was better prepared for the engagement.

Well, to lose my, do you agree with Dustin that, um, Ariane, excuse me, was instead of debrief, he called it get demartelled.

Yeah.

Beholded, if you will.

Beholded.

Well.

What were your thoughts on that? Were you surprised that that turn of events really made Tisha and Destiny, you know, at least in this episode, sort of like make amends in a bit?

No, I wasn't surprised at all because a lot of times people will say, I love how real you are. I love how real you are until it's their turn. And so I'm not surprised that she liked it when it wasn't her turn. That doesn't surprise me at all. Because one thing we know about Destiny is she does not need little cue cards from a strong-backed man in the South in order to speak her mind. She's also not trying to get picked. And so she also has autonomy, so she could think for herself. One of the things I think that was interesting, number one, somebody in the shop said to me when we were watching the show, because, you know, we watch the show every week in the shop, Carlos.

She was like, is that girl still windswept? I said, her hair is still windswept, right? There seems to be a copy and paste. It's like, when she does her hair like that, I'm sorry, nephew, you guys, my own apology. I think that hair is part of her armor. You know how Janelle Monáe used to wear a costume? It's like, whenever she does her hair like that, she's, like, prepared for battle.

Like Nebuchadnezzar.

Yeah, it's like her magic. It's like the swoop. If she wants to win us back, maybe a side part next season. So she came for a battle that she prepared for and did not know that Ogre was going to come. One thing that bothers me, though, because, you know, words mean things. She said it was fake that the women that had previous problems with Destiny but were still willing to be cordial to her on camera for a show that they're all taping together. And yet that's the entire premise of Carlos bringing you on this season.

Hello.

You and all of Melody's old friends are now gonna have to be cute with each other for you to take her spot all these years later on the show. So you're calling it hypocritical when it's entirely the only reason why you're even relevant to people like me who didn't know you existed. So pick which one is it?

Is it hypocritical or is it how you gotta check? It can't be both. You're mad that Destiny is trying to just be a realized bitch. And here's the thing that's so funny to me, too, is what is funny about that moment with the girls heckling, like Dustin pointed out, they're scared of Destiny, in my opinion, at first. Not Destiny, of, what is it, Arianne? Arianne. My brain won't hold on to it. Arianne. The reason why I think they were hyped is because they know Destiny's doing it. I only hold on to things that are relevant or that I respect.

The thing that was happening is they knew Destiny was the one person who was not scared of having something to lose. They knew she was the one person who was going to make you catch the smoke that you tried to put on them. And they were like, oh, this is going to be exciting because we're going to see you get what you deserve while our hands are still clean. Do I respect it? Not necessarily because one could say it's a little bit cowardly. But I do understand and I think it's hilarious. And now that you've spoken about her child, it's up and it's stuck and I think you know that and you're nervous. I think she knows that she pushed the one button that will make Destiny stop keeping it cute and keep it real instead. So, Arianne, Arianne,

you know, man in the mirror or according to the AI, you know, we love Mimi, but the AI plotted you as Mimi. I hope that you watch this season and this show and realize maybe next season do something different because not only is this not working for you, God forbid if you and Martel don't work back, this is all going to age like spoiled milk when you are talking about girl power because suddenly you need us again.

But go off though, sis.

Claudia Jordan.

When her and Martel break up, which I do predict will happen in the next year or two, I feel like they're going to have struggles after this season, honestly. Right now, he's loving that he has backup and he's got his mouthpiece.

She's doing all the dirty work. She's front and center. He's sitting back loving it.

Because in the past few years, he hasn't felt like he's had backup.

It's been him against everybody, right? For his own actions.

You could tell he's like, I feel like she makes him nervous because she's like a little bit of a loose cannon. I do think that the ladies are letting Destiny do the hard work, the heavy lifting, which is a little cowardly. You ladies have every right to take it to this girl. She talked all this shit about y'all.

There's no reason to handle her with kid gloves. Now, I understand the first episode, first, second scenes, you know, where you're like, all right, let's just give it a shot.

But she's more than popped off.

And as far as the dynamic between Arion and Destiny. I love that Destiny's existence just bothers Arion so much because she knows deep down inside her man's feelings for Destiny are a lot stronger than they are for anybody else there. The way he wanted to go to Destiny, the way he has spoken so glowingly about Destiny, So Arion is just finally getting revealed and being able to come out and play, come outside after how many years?

But he's publicly made it very clear his feelings and his respect and his love as much as he can love someone for Destiny.

What is that saying?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That's what's happening here. Tisha and Destiny getting close. Like, you know, Arion's going to make the girls bond against her because she's annoying to everyone. It's like the one thing they can all agree on. She's annoying as hell. I just am not a fan of arrogant side piece bitches. And I know you're watching, Arianne. And you can be mad if you like to. You should be mad. But you really should be mad at me, Dustin, Blue, or Carlos.

You should be mad at yourself for allowing yourself to be in. You know those motor vehicles? It's like a motorcycle. Then they have the little cubby next to it.

Sidecar.

Little person could fit in there. That's what you are right now.

And you think you deserve to be on the main motorcycle, and you don't.

You don't.

And not saying it's the end all be.

All the way you started your relationship with Martel, but the first part of making things right would be to come in with a little bit of humility and be like, I messed up.

I am sorry.

I never want to do this to another woman. And maybe publicly apologize to the people you need to apologize to. And then because you're coming off so, like, it's like you do something wrong, you come in arrogant, and then you expect, you're like perplexed. Why people view me like this? Why people think about me like this? Because there was never any redemption. And Martel, you're not helping either. Y'all both need to do a more humble, come in with a little more humble. Y'all look too hot to be in the wrong. And that's why you rubbing everybody the wrong way.

You're irritating. And side chicks love you. Maybe.

I don't know.

Do side chicks love her? I'm assuming. I don't really have any side chick friends anymore. I used to. I got rid of them.

I had two.

You know who you are.

I'd like to add a note also before we move on from this. It's interesting to see Martel functioning in the different relationships that we've seen him in, right? He functioned one way as a husband to his wife. He's functioning in his current iteration of that coupling with Arianne. When he was in a relationship with Sharae, he just moves differently with each woman, right? When he was with Sharae, Sharae's so cool and composed compared to Arianne, right? He was the one over there acting a fool, yelling and screaming on the housewives of Atlanta, getting into it, arguing on camera, while Sharae's sitting back cool as a cucumber watching it go down, right? Letting him do the dirty work.

It's interesting that in this relationship, this coupling with Arian, she's the one acting a fool and he's got the puppet strings and he's much more dominant. He appears to be much more dominant in his relationship with Arian than we've seen him be. and function in as a partner to two of the last people that we saw him with publicly. And I just think that's a very interesting contrast, right?

Like he's the one sitting back and letting Arian be on fire. When Sharae was over there running things, you know what I'm saying? She was kicking back, picking back being bull. That was from our West Coast people. And Martel was over there cutting a damn fool. Remember when he was arguing with Kenya and going back and forth, cursing, losing his mind? And it was funny because he was literally in costume. It was a flapper party. So he was dressed like he was on fucking Harlem Nights and really having a serious argument at the same time. It was hilarious to watch. But it's just interesting to see how, you know, the shift, depending on what woman he's with, he morphs into a different type of person. He shows

up differently. And I just think that's fascinating.

I think people that can morph like that don't really have a lot of character to stand on. If you change with different people, I can't stand people that like, have y'all ever had friendships with like a home girl or your homie?

Like they're one way when y'all kicking it.

And then when certain people come around, like maybe a group of girls come, they act different.

Or- Shapeshifting, yeah.

I had a girlfriend that was like, As soon as men came around, she was such a pick-me-around.

I'm like, you wasn't talking like that when they weren't here. I can't stand people like that.

Be who you are when people are looking, when people are not looking, when you're with this friend, with that friend.

The shape-shifting is so irritating to my soul.

But Claudia, when straight men do it, though, it's usually based on respect. That's why I was going to tell the Dustin. We actually commented about this, about how When a man respects you, you get one version of him. And this has happened to me a lot where I'll be like, so-and-so's a cool dude. And my homegirls will be like, no, he respects you, Blue. You're getting the version of him as a straight man. And Claudia can attest to this. When a straight man respects you and when he doesn't respect you, it is often night and day.

Their characters can shapeshift based on how they see you as a woman. You know that old saying, if you act like a hoe, I'm going to treat you like a hoe. If you act like a lady, I'm going to treat you like a lady. I think in the previous relationships, like Dustin was mentioning, He either respected those women or felt like they were at least his equals.

And we're seeing what's happened when the power dynamic has shifted. Because whether it's his ex-wife or even Sharae, he's been, in my eyes, women who are exceptional or exalted or seen like he might be lucky to have them. He's finally in a relationship where she's lucky to have him. and she's a pick-me on top. So he's like, wait, I don't have to be the baddie this time. You can be the mess, and I can be the one who stands back. I think he's been a bad bitch his entire life, and he finally with a girl who's more of a baddie than he is.

He's definitely a bad bitch, and Arianne is not a bad bitch, but she thinks she is, which is even more tragic.

Well, when you.

Well, okay, so for the next scene, because... Claudia.

She's going to jump you. She's not going to jump me. I've been lifting weights. I've been working out, and I have... That's true.

Claudia, show your guts.

Show your guts, Claudia.

It's really the leg power. I'm going to kick you.

He's going to kick you like a horse, Claudia.

You've never beaten the allegations. Okay.

I'm 53. I'm not going to fight. I will be.

911?

Having Claudia Jordan tell you you're not a bad bitch is like soul crushing, Claudia. You're Claudia the Jordan.

But I'm going to say this.

Listen, honestly, as hard as I am on side pieces, mistresses and all that, and in the men that.

Make them happen, it's not just her. Martel needs some of the smoke too. If she did these things that I'm suggesting.

and humbled herself and had changed behavior, I promise I'll be the first one to give her credit and props on the show and say, yo, got to give credit where credit is due.

A hundred percent.

You started off mad, and I've showed this, you started off mad negative and obnoxious and you turned the page.

I would love to give that kind of commentary.

Look at me and Destiny.

Yes, Destiny's a perfect example. So, Arianne, do what you always do. Use Destiny as the blueprint.

Yeah, and change for the better. That's a great point, Blue. Change for the better, like Destiny did.

No, Blue, Blue. Dustin and Destiny had beef beef.

Really?

I had beef beef. I thought it was just on.

The- No, no.

I'm exaggerating.

I was about to say, that's my girl, Dustin.

Look, I'm doing to Dustin what they do to me online.

Destiny was mad because I said that she was- Let's call it what it is, right? Destiny was mad because I said that she was hanging off the door at her Madonna launch, right? Yelling at a former cast member. And she was, and it probably wasn't the nicest thing to say, but what I will say, like my sister Claudia did, is we give props where it's due. And for the past two seasons, Destiny then got the fuck down on Love and Marriage Hunter to the point where she's the star of the show now. And it's just like we talked about how she looked clinging to that, hanging off the side of that door like that. yelling you know we gonna comment about how great of a fucking cast member really an anchor cast member at this

point she is on Love and Marriage Huntsville she literally is the star of the show and she deserves all the praise for that so we gonna give credit where it's motherfucking due and she looked really really pretty in her interview with you too can we.

Be honest guys can we put Arianne one little bit of a something I wanna actually this is gonna sound like I'm being kind to her maybe she needs to hear this If you are someone who has been in the shadows, like the Phantom of the Opera for all these years, being called Coleslaw and whatever else, and you're.

Not emotionally intelligent enough to go see the lady and get therapy, imagine the pain she must be to realize that Destiny is the woman that he loves and respects, and she's the woman that he could get and control. Like, that must hurt to think that I'm what he's settled for, but she's what he admires. And I think that's the thing that she does not want to admit is, even though I got the prize, it's a hollow victory because you're still admiring another woman and respecting another woman more than me, which, again, I mentioned two weeks ago, is very much like him and his wife. Like, there's always a woman who is more respectable, more shiny, more accolades than me that you have respect for, even though I'm

the one that you will lay with.

And even though a side chick gets with a man and thinks, oh, I have him now.

One of my exes got with his side chick, right?

We're not the only ones that know you as okay and willing to go along with being a side chick.

He knows it more than anyone what you were willing to put up with.

He's had those conversations with his boys, with his family members. He's thought about it when he's alone, what he can or cannot get away with because he knows what you were able to put up with and how.

Much you settled for.

They know that more than, like as much as we talk about it, what he thinks about you deep down inside. And you've got to know that. And then when you see a woman that's like, ex-wife, absolutely not.

I'm out of here. Destiny, nope. And you're not able to do that, but you've got to feel a way.

And this is when the decisions that you make come back to bite you in the ass because they're a direct reflection of what you're willing to, in the words of Destiny, tolerate, right? This is why Arianne sitting up on those stools in that room, the white room with the lady, the random lady that said that she had engaged sexually with Maurice and Marcel or whatever, that wasn't a good look. Supporting those antics and saying that she was a witness to this and she had been in these rooms and spaces with these men doing inappropriate things in regards to their marriage vows was concerned. That's never a good look. I don't know why people think that's this smoking gun that you were down for all of that.

So that's a direct reflection of you and it's never a good look. And I just wish that, but there's a disconnect there with Arianne because even when she's in scene in conversations like the one that she had with Nell, the one that she had with Kimmy and Letitia initially, there is a quick response and she's just not present, right?

Like when she's talking to these people and her antics are performative, even when she's in one-on-one scenes with Martel, she's performative. She says his name a certain way, the cadence with which she speaks, all of these things are, it's an effect. And so that reflects and usually indicates a disconnect from someone being fully present, fully receptive to whatever the conversation is. And it may be, you know, indicative of a deeper issue. So I don't even know if she can handle those kind of conversations, to be honest with you.

Yeah, I do want to bring this up. So the thing is this, obviously, listen, the name that she has been called since we knew about her has been side chick, mistress, coast, law, peasant, right? So I think I covered all this. I think I covered all the names she's been called. But the question I do want to ask is, because even when Sylvia, our new cast member, and I'm going to get into Sylvia telling Tisha about these rumors and Martel breaking the fourth wall. But Sylvia told Destiny, and now I think baby girl is threatened by you. does things change this, right?

Because Claudia mentioned, obviously, her former friends being side chicks and the way men view side chicks. Her and Blue talked about that, being females who are friends with men, who they say respect them. This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Does it make a difference that Arianne is the mother of his son, right?

What? What kind of difference?

Well, no, no. I think that's the question I'm asking. So the fact is, because she definitely was somebody... Because I don't like to give labels. That's me. Because I.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Okay, so because she was somebody that had an affair with a married man, right?

Mistress.

And she had all these labels of mistress, side chick, peasant, coleslaw, right?

Mm-hmm. All right.

Does this... Claudia. Claudia, I'm trying to be serious here. And I can't.

Um.

Y'all made me drink.

Does the rules change slightly that she is now the mother of this man's son who is now divorced and he has selected her to be his girlfriend. And the reason why I'm asking that is this. I want to give one more example that I'm going to let y'all cook that I'm going to hide.

Yeah, because I'm chomping at the bit.

No, no, I know.

I'm going to.

Hide in the corner. And again, my job is to ask the thought provoking question.

Yeah, for sure.

You're doing amazing.

You're doing amazing. Look at Martel.

Now, listen. Now, look. For my audience who may not have watched it, Alex Earl is a white female influencer who has a show on Netflix called Earl Meets World. She's huge. Okay, she's humongous.

She's the blonde Kim Kardashian.

Thank you. So, did you watch her show, Blue?

The whole thing.

Okay.

Upset.

Okay, that's me.

Okay, fine. So, Blue, you know this. You know we connecting on white girl shit. Yep. Okay, okay. Yeah.

Which I'll call you later. Okay, because we have to talk about the other show. Okay, anyway, sorry guys, I got distracted. Okay, so Claudia and Dustin, on this reality show, Alex Earle's stepmother is on this show because when her mother was married to her dad, he had an affair with this woman who was called a sex worker because...

She's the one that was messing around with... What's his name?

Elliot.

Elliot Spitzer.

The infamous call girl with Elliot Spitzer is Alex Earl's stepmother now. So.

So... He wiped her, and they've been married, and they have mad kids together. And Alex Earl talked about how it was tough at the beginning, but what's interesting is they're all one big happy family now. The mother accepts that mother. So my point is, is there a world where people can now look at Arianne as Claudia's parenting herself...

Is there a world where people can look at Arianne no longer as the side chick, the peasant, coleslaw, the mistress, because Martell has chosen to be with her courtesy of him being divorced and they have a kid together?

I'll go after Dustin because you just gave half of my answer and you're giving that example.

All right, Dustin, go ahead.

No.

And here's why. Here's the difference. Number one, you just said that that gentleman, Elliot Spitzer, Spitzoner or whatever his last name was, He married that woman and they had multiple children and have sustained a relationship.

No, no, no.

So I'm clear.

So I'm clear. She was an alleged sex worker.

That he married, right?

No, no, no. No, no, no. Her next boyfriend was Alex Earl's father. Her next boyfriend.

Her current husband is Alex Earl.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The other guy married her.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it's like the Kardashians where the thing happened with Ray J, but she married Lamar. I mean, not Lamar.

Yeah.

Uh, Kanye. So he's the Kanye.

So they have a different story in this case regarding Martel and Arianne. Martel never chose her or positioned her in a way that would generate or garner any respect from outsiders or onlookers.

Right.

There's been several women coming in and out in between, um, the current iteration of their relationship and how she was introduced to the fandom and the audience. the charade of it all. You know what I'm saying? The downplaying of the relationship. If anything, Martel's actions have demonstrated a lack of respect and encouraged a lack of respect for Arianne.

Arianne gets a lot of flack from people, but she wouldn't be a mistress if Martel wasn't married. So ultimately, the onus of responsibility here is on him. It's spit evenly on them, but it's his problem that he created. He was the person that was married, and he was the person They continued this inappropriate dealing that has resulted in them creating a child together. I've never heard either of them say that they plan to have their child together.

I've heard them both be grateful that they have this kid, of course. You know, God bless their son, but I've never heard either one of them describe his creation as being planned or anything that would reflect a commitment to Arianne and nurturing and sustaining a relationship with her. So, no! Their world does not exist because Martel created a world to contradict that very sentiment. There's nothing that either of them have shown us or done that is going to get any of that from me.

And before I tap in blue, just so I'm clear with what you're saying, you're saying that because Martel never showed that woman respect to the audience while he was dealing with her, calling her peasant, that he has created the environment for other people to disrespect her.

Yes, and he also has demonstrated through his behavior that it's not respectable. It's not a respectable situation. He has told us, hey, this is not worthy of you guys' time and investment of respect because it's not worth mine.

Got it.

So, yes, to answer your question.

Okay, Blue?

I love that we're going in this order because I feel like we're all building like a Jenga. To me, it's no for two reasons. Number one, in the Alex Earl situation, her father did not date other women, run around with other women. And then finally, when he got tired and couldn't find nobody else, get her a rental home for her and the baby while he's still out living his life. What her father did was he told the family, this is a woman that I love and I'm going to do life with her. and she's now going to be my wife, and we're going to be living together and building a life together, and therefore, because I take it seriously, you have to take it seriously.

That's the first half, but to me that's only half though. The second half is, let's say men do what they do sometimes where they create a mess and don't want to clean it up. Even if he had done something that was disgusting to Dustin's point and said, we don't want to be respectable, Had she walked in with the same humility that Alex Earle's stepmother at least purported to walk in with. The stepmother said, I know that I am the world's most famous sex girl from a certain era, right?

Like this was like around 2008, 2010-ish when the Kardashians and all those shows were taking off. I know that I was before my time when being a side piece couldn't get you paid quite yet. And I know all this stuff is happening. I know your mother is crying. I know you're all devastated. I want peace. I want to put this family first. She walked in with humility.

She put family first. She did not... I'm taking accountability, you dumbass bitch. She wasn't doing something where her words and her actions are not lining up. Every time she says the word accountability, her neck is rolling. That's not how accountability works, baby. Communication is 90% non-verbal. Your non-verbals suck.

So because she was saying, not only does this man want me to be respectable, I myself am truly apologetic. That means when Alex Earl got mad at this lady, for those who don't watch the show, she took it. She said, that's hurtful and I really want to be a family and my feelings are hurt that you're still mad at me about things that happened a long time ago.

Can we talk through it? And then the husband came and said, hey, you hurt my wife. We need to figure this out. People who are actually sorry move as if they are actually sorry. Improved behavior while talking shit is not improved behavior. Because now you've created a.

Whole new problem.

Now you're saying where's accountability and responsibility while having an attitude. You're saying accountability. I love women who take accountability. Is the woman who took accountability in the room with us, ma'am? Yeah. You cannot be egocentric and apologetic simultaneously. Those are diametrically opposed reality. Arianne, look up diametrically opposed later. Right? That means they're on opposite sides of reality. So my thing is, her words and her actions don't line up. And what's really, really grinding my gears, since you got me in white people's business, now you got me talking like them, Carlos.

What's really grinding my gears right now is the fact that I know deep down that had you approached Destiny and all those other women with the humility that me, Claudia, and Dustin have been trying to tell you for weeks now, they would have been pleasantly surprised and found themselves grappling with true, true forgiveness. Instead, you're creating new problems that are a problem that already preexisted. Whoever gave you bad advice, Martel, lied to you. Claudia?

Claudia Jordan?

I think that she has.

Not your favorite clothes, Claudia.

That's a whole new outfit. And that's a sports bra, just so you know, because I'm going to the gym after this.

It's not a regular bra. I want y'all to think I'm being slutty on the show. I would never declassify the show.

I would never declassify the show.

Anyways, I feel like Martel bringing Arian on the show was like a Hail Mary, right? Because he was like, last season, he was just like a man without a country.

He didn't have nobody. He was kind of just chiming in. I don't know. What was his storyline last year? I don't even remember, right?

The fact that you can't remember is the answer. I can't remember.

And now it's like, now that's all we talk about every week is Martel and Arian, Arian, Arian, Arian. I'm so sick of it, right? So yeah, she has been upgraded from side chick to... Public side chick now. But he's still not moving like she's wifey. But she could, though.

She actually could. I'm thinking there was light at the end of the tunnel. It was anybody but Martel.

I feel like he is bringing her on for his backup. I feel like he has her around to irritate his ex and other people on the show and to have her drop the bombs about the other cast members and get his get back because last year he felt like he was on defense.

I don't know.

I do think that there is– side chicks can evolve to be wives. I just don't know if it's ever going to be this couple because it's been 10 years and he won't even live with you. And, Miss Arianne, we all are allowed to make a mistake.

We all can say we were fooled by a man. We can be gaslit.

But this is your second situation from the world on the streets. Wasn't your first kid someone else's man as well?

Allegedly, yes.

Allegedly?

And weren't there some baby ghosts probably in the process as well?

Allegedly, yep.

This the one that, right?

I don't know nothing about none of that.

I've heard the allegedly rumors that this might be her second time at the Side Piece Rodeo, but this time she got her a show with Carlos.

Not that second time.

Second time's the charm.

All right, let's move on to Sylvia. So, Sylvia is a new addition to Love and Marriage Huntsville. So, Maurice Scott threw an event along with the photographer... What's his, his, his, his L's? Nell? Not Mr.

He was, he did the art at Black, right?

Yeah, it's something L.

My bad, bro. My apologies. It'll come to me in a second. So Sylvia, as you all know, she was rumored to be one of the 20 women's, hey Miss Wanda, one of the 20 women's that Martel, not Martel.

It's not 20 women's though.

Oh, look at how that rolled off your tongue.

So Marceau allegedly was having an affair with this woman, Sylvia. Sylvia and Marceau go way back. Sylvia told Destiny that I wanted to talk to Tisha about it, but Marcel said she's good, she don't care. So, this is the first time that Sylvia is in the same room with Tisha, Marcel's wife. Okay? So, she followed Destiny's advice and brought up the fact that, hey, just so you know, I was the woman that people were saying was having an affair with your husband. And I did talk to him about it, and he said, you don't mind, but I don't want to be around you and have things be weird because none of it is true. Marceau said he forgot all about that conversation even happening. And then Martella did in the camera saying he did not believe it.

So Claudia, starting with you, did Sylvia do the right thing by telling Tisha, They're in the same room. Hey, I'm the girl that the blogs was saying was having a affair with your man. I wanted to talk to you about it years ago, but your husband told me I didn't have to because you didn't care.

Absolutely.

That's how you do it. Like a grown ass woman. You go straight to the woman in front of people. It's not sneaky. I mean, she could, the only other way that could have been great also is if she would have called her one-on-one without the audience. But we do want to say this is a TV show and this makes sense. She did that and put herself out there, showed vulnerability, wasn't arrogant about it.

And guess what? The group instantly embraced her. So it shows right there.

They could have side-eyed her and be like, but they were like, okay, because it's hard to put that out there. Because you know just by bringing it up, people are going to already be looking at you like, okay, whatever.

But she put it out there. And guess what?

I guarantee you this won't be something that drags on for two, three, four, five outings and episodes because she addressed it right away. That's how old girl, they remember the very first episode old girl came on, Arianne? It was just out the gate on 10. Sylvie didn't do that. And look at how she's being received now. I feel like you ripped the band-aid off at the very beginning.

This is your introduction. You never get a second chance to make a first impression. So she came in there, took a kind of, hey, it is what it is. I'm not going to run from it. When you run from it, you look like you have something to hide. When you put it on front street, it's like, yeah, let's talk about it. And yes, I did want to tell the story and talk to you, wifey. But your husband told me not to. She put it all out there.

I have respect for that.

I do. Blue? I agree a thousand percent. And can we all... Also be honest. When you are someone who was part of something infamous, but you don't have a face that is a celebrity, you also want people to know your relevance. Because a perfect example, I was watching a video and I saw this white girl dancing and she was dancing like, go to Marcus. It was like really amazing. And then the very next day or so, she went on TikTok and made a video like, no, I'm the little white girl from the Missy Elliott video.

And I was like, oh my God, you're a legend, right? The context suddenly makes you go from a regular person to being like, oh my God. I think that was her thing. She was like, oh no, I've actually been mentioned before and I kind of am part of this. You know what I mean? So you're simultaneously being a realized bitch, but also showing your relevance and giving us a reason to like you. Like, oh, you're right, you're right.

And that familiarity automatically makes the people who are watching kind of lean towards you. I think it worked twofold. One was for the sake of her integrity, but the other was to also show her relevance and that she actually was a part of the show before she was a part of the show. So I think it was actually brilliant strategically and ethically. I like her a lot.

And I remember thinking to myself, you have a side piece that's confirmed and a side piece that's implied. And why is it the one that's implied who knows how to do it correctly? Are you not embarrassed? So yeah, I love her. I love her.

I think Coleslaw's in the chat with a fake name.

Oh, I hope you're okay, babe.

Hey, girl. Me? We're all Destiny.

We're all going to wear We Are Destiny t-shirts.

Not with you guys. Dustin Ross, first of all, Dustin, obviously you are a day one at Huntsville. I first want to hear your thoughts about Sylvia. It's still early. It's still early. But I'm always curious your thoughts on new people. Give me your thoughts on Sylvia and then share your thoughts on the scene.

I think Sylvia, I can do it all in one. I think Sylvia is formidable. I think Sylvia is ready to play the game. She had no problem accepting the moniker of I'm the mystery mistress. You know what I'm saying? And she's playing with that, speaking coyly about it and saying things like, yeah, that was me. No, it's not true.

That was me. She's answering the question or whatever. I think that's interesting. I don't think she's going to run from anything because she's not going to sweat her hair out. Sylvia's pixie been laid since she walked up. And her entrance scene was good. Shout out to y'all, Carlos. That scene of her walking into that booth with Destiny when she had on the oatmeal color off-the-shoulder number or whatever.

She's a beautiful woman. She's a makeup artist. Professional makeup artist. So you know she's always going to have that intact and done the right way. She is willing to play the game. She's got a man that's willing to show up with her in scene and he It seems to be enjoying his experience as part of the cast, too.

So that means that he's willing to contribute. There is a thirst level there that I think is healthy. You know what I'm saying? On behalf of both her and Lou, I enjoyed it. I thought that that scene was a perfect example of her kind of showing her savvy in the reality reality television personality space. So bring on more.

I'm interested to see what she working with.

Oh, and they give you a lot. Stay tuned. They have a lot going on outside of being a part of the clique. We have to get into... This has been the most talked about scene all season. A lot of people have said this was the best scene of the show. History, which I'm like, you guys are hilarious. We have to get into Destiny versus Ariana and how Martel came in to.

Stop it from getting further than what it was so destiny and arion had this one-on-one exchange where destiny really laid down the foundation of what it means to be tolerated and tolerable she said you tolerated his ex-wife you tolerated being called a peasant you tolerated um you know Being somebody that he hasn't chosen. Like, all these things.

She said, you're a very tolerable person. You tolerated the fact that he moved you across the street, whatever. And then Arianne did say, what are you talking about? You tried to put your son in Maverick schools. Just so you all know, Maverick is the son she shares with Martell. Darion said, you tried to put your son in Maverick school, and he did not get in. Destiny said, hold on, bitch.

Don't talk about my son. Bled her arm that Kimmy had. And within that exchange, Martel immediately beelined from talking to the guys and tried to hold down physically Destiny from going further. I want to stop there before we move on to the rest of the stuff, but that very moment a lot of people took that one gesture that Martel saw his girlfriend and his best friend in it and he beeline to his best friend they said that was disrespectful and then it was obvious he cares more about destiny than Arion blue did you get the same feeling and what does that say about a man consciously who does something.

Like that so there's a thing that they do, a study where they'll have two children on either side of their parent and whoever the parent looks at them at first is the favorite. I feel, yeah, it's like a whole trend on TikTok and on the internet. And then whoever the parent doesn't look at, the child will storm off angry.

He chose.

He chose. He confirmed what we all, including Arianne and Destiny, already know. And even in that picture y'all had in the middle, where it's Destiny and Martel and Arianne, He wanted to go to Arianne, and then remember, she's not the one who's giving me coochie, and I can't control her, so I got to go with this one. I don't think he chose in that moment. I think he chose, to your point, nonverbally about who he ran to. When the verbal thing happened, when she was like, Martel, come here, and you would have thought, well, Arianne should be happy because she said, come here, and he didn't come. He did not come because you're his favorite. It's because he doesn't want to hear your mouth because he'd have to

go home with you. And so it's almost like every time he picks Arianne, it's because she's a nuisance and he wants to be able to sleep that night. Every time he picks Destiny, it's because he actually cares about her and is looking out for her. That's why a couple of beats later, great editing, when she says, she's not mad that I want him. She's mad that he loves me.

She ate with that.

When I tell you, you can put that on a loop.

She ate.

Say that one more time, Blue.

She's not mad because she thinks I want him. She's mad because she knows he loves me.

Who said that?

I heard that. That had to hurt. That hurt me, and I don't even know either one of these girls.

Arianne, you know, we've all been a little tough on you because you earned it. So it's not like we're picking on you. We're just reflecting what you put out there. Even I hurt for you in that moment because the truth of it is what made it a bar. Not the language or the words. It's the truth behind it and the fact that everybody in that space who could hear the sound of Destiny's voice, including Carlos, but he can't say it, understood that it was true.

Were you there, Carlos?

Wait, Dustin, don't imply it.

Were you there?

Okay?

The truth of it resonated.

Well, I'm going to pick on her because what the hell did Destiny's kid getting in or not getting in that school have to do with the argument?

You was being a bitch in that moment. That was not cute at all.

You can read her down about her looks, her actions, or how she is a doormat for Martel. But do not bring up... No one's kid need to be brought up in those arguments. Those are little kids, too, that have done nothing wrong. And I would say the same thing if someone made a comment about Martel... And Arianne's kid, that was not cute.

You showed no control. She's just erratic. And I think she should make Martel very nervous because, I don't know.

He's nervous. Claudia's already nervous. Remember that scene in the gym where she kept on trying to imply that he groomed her and he bucked on her a little bit? I think he's already starting to see that she's trying to create a backstory that if they do separate, that she can demonize him and he can smell it in the air. He's like, what do you mean? What do you mean? It was consensual. Like, when a man starts reiterating on camera that it was consensual, what are you trying to say? He's starting to get a whiff of what you're trying to put down and it's not cool.

You know, when. Carl Lewis try to sing the national anthem. Did y'all ever see that?

And there's one part where he misses the note and he goes, uh-oh. He knew in that moment he had messed up.

That's Marcel right now. He knew he messed up by going, uh-oh.

Was I not a young girl that you came after? Now, hold on. Wait a minute now. Hold on. Wait a minute.

She been quiet. Not quiet. She hasn't been quiet. She been loud, but Yeah, she got a platform now, Martel. You done messed up.

That's the moment, Carlos. Mark my words. I can smell these moments. That's the moment when his brain said, ah, damn. Uh-oh.

So what's the question?

So Dustin, did you feel like Martel going to hold Destiny back from Arion, did that solidify to you that he has shown all of us who he definitely cares about the most?

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

He's known Destiny longer, first of all. Number two, he has complete control over Arianne and everything going on with her. She's completely subordinate to him. If, when the season happens, now that Arianne is a part of the cast, after her and Martel break up enough where they're willing to film separately of each other, right, and single on the same season, if Arianne pulls up to this cast with another man, like a new man, Martel ain't gonna be able to handle that emotionally.

Oh, Lord.

If Martel pulls up to this cast with another woman, Arianne's not going to be able to handle it. And that's when we're going to get the real fireworks. So, you know, yeah, that's my answer.

Carlos, would you keep her on if they break up?

I am not discussing anything.

Hell yeah.

I am, look, in the words of Andy Cohen, I am focused on this season and everything.

Oh.

Ask Claudia to come.

Back to her post.

Do they break up at the end of the season?

What was the question?

Do Ariana and Martel break up?

I can see that.

You want to hear a funny story?

Yeah.

We're still filming. So anyway, let's move on.

Okay, wait, wait, because this is the time.

Who knows what's going to happen after Monday Night Live?

So, Ariana, just go fix this.

You can fix this.

You said that something happened last week between Destiny and Letitia filming the show in your interview with Destiny. What can you tell us about what took place? How serious is going to, how seriously is going to impact their relationship? You got to give us some real people that watched that interview and watched the show. We've been holding on to that ever since we heard Destiny say, I heard you.

And Destiny talk about it.

So what's up, Carlos? Give us something about that situation. Tell us something it was related to. Tell us who won the argument. You got to tell us, Carlos.

What's the question, Dustin?

What can you tell us about that moment? Nigga, you have to tell us something.

Not nigga, you have to tell us something.

Cut the shit, Carlos.

Claudia, she's more telling me. I feel like Ariana.

Right.

My man, my man, my man.

We thought about this show as a tribute to Carlos King.

We started the show as a tribute, giving Carlos so much respect. Now it's nigga, you better tell us something.

Nigga, you better tell us what the hell I want to know.

What was that arguing about, Carlos? What happened? What did Destiny... What can you tell us about what Destiny said to Letitia? What can you tell us about what Letitia said to Destiny to prompt that? You got to give us a slice of that pie, Carlos. You have to. Tell us something. You know we... Ain't no way in hell we weren't going.

To ask you that.

All I will say is.

Yes.

Uh-huh.

And I know stay tuned shit. No, no, no.

Get him, Dustin.

The only thing I'll say is what led the situation between Destiny and Tisha is started with Destiny and Marcel. And I'll leave it at that.

Oh.

Okay. All right.

Are you satisfied now?

Yes, thank you.

Stay tuned. Love and match, Huntsville, every Saturday, 8 o'clock, 7 central at all. Okay, before we move on to get to Potomac, I got to ask y'all this about the end. So, here we are. Destiny comes back in, Claudia, blue and dusted. And she says, Martel, come here.

Mm-hmm.

And Martel motions to come here. She's like, yes, mama. And Ariat said, you better not go over there.

Mm-hmm.

And Destiny said, come here. Arianne said, you better not. And Miss Nell said, well, damn, just.

Let him go.

I mean, come on now.

You got to go over there.

Come on, Arianne.

That's his friend.

And she said, no, she's been too disrespectful tonight.

And Marcel said, ooh.

Claudia. Carl Lewis Jordan.

Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Horseface Claudia, sound effect Chris. Claudia Jordan, starting with you. That moment with Deathly Sand, come here, and Martel was literally in the middle of of deciding does he stay with his girl or does he go after his friend? Before you give me your answer, I do want to ask y'all this. So remember this question, y'all. And I'm not making this up. There are people in the comments.

I promise y'all I'm not making this up. Who felt that Destiny was wrong and that Destiny had no right to put Martel in that situation because at the end of the day, Arion is his lady. And there are some people who did feel like Destiny was doing too much. She was.

And that's why I loved it. Because it couldn't have happened to a better person. Now, if Arion was behaving like she should be behaving and not being a jerk and being a little more humble, we'd be like, yo, you dead ass wrong for that. But because we are basing it by how stank she's been, it's like, okay.

It's almost like when OJ Simpson got off of Murder... Like when he got acquitted, we were like, oh, well, because there was so much police brutality happened in L.A.

We knew we was like, I mean, you.

Know, the justice system is at work. But we all was like, whatever. It's kind of like that. I know that's a little bit of reach, but I've been drinking.

I'm just saying.

It is.

It's like we.

Know it's wrong, but we were OK with it because the history.

Claudia is digging in the time capsule. She said, if it must have fit, you must have quit.

If the swoop doesn't fit, you must have quit. Okay.

So anyways.

Because... She said O.J.

Simpson. My God. Why do you enjoy it until you're not a bad bitch and then compare you to O.J.? Yes, I did. Go have a drink.

I went to 1995. It's like when you know it's wrong, but because of the.

I don't think... I actually don't think it's... Okay. Can I speak for Tauruses? Because you know I be decoding whenever y'all get confused and it's a Taurus involved and then later it gets confirmed.

Oh, yeah, because Destiny's a Taurus. Yes, go ahead.

As a Taurus... If you know bulls and just, you know, nature, bulls graze, you have to come after a bull for them to even acknowledge you. You got to wave something right in its face and get it to turn up nerves. We like to graze in our corner. Destiny has been minding her business for 50 days and 50 nights. She knew this bitch was upset with her because she said this bitch one time three years ago and the girl ran with it, whatever, right? When she talked about her child, right?

She's like, I don't even talk to that girl and I would not get on the phone with this bitch, right? That one comment, for some reason, is worse than sleeping with somebody's man and then making a baby, but that's fine. We all have our own different calculators. The math's not adding up for me, though. When she was outside, her child was mentioned. Because everybody has a trick. Remember I told you in several episodes, I can keep it cute, but there's a button that y'all can press where a whole other blue will come out, right? I told you guys, many during our debates, I said, oh, the button got pushed.

Somebody got to die now. Destiny went outside so as not to go to jail and then said, the gloves are off.

Three times.

Talked about my child. The gloves are off. She announced the button had been pushed and then went inside and did the first shade of showing what that looks like. No, ho, you earned this. I don't think it's disrespectful. I think it's cause and effect. I think it's cause and effect. If you talk about my child, you don't get to tell me I'm doing the most or I'm doing too much. Nah, bitch, you talked about my kid. Not only did you talk about my kid, you talked about my kid disparagingly as if my kid inferring, because words mean things, that my kid was inferior to your love child. And I'm saying this as a love child myself. Right? So, respectfully, ho, now it's up and it's stuck. I don't think it

was too much. I think it was a consequence. Say it with me, boys and girl. Consequences.

Can you imagine if Destiny would have walked back into that room and just kissed Martel in the mouth?

I would have been aroused. I would have been sexually aroused.

I think Martel was aroused how Destiny was calling him.

I was about to say that. His dick jumped a little bit.

I think his dick got hard.

Claudia, as a woman, he was aroused by that. When she called him, he did the... You know how when men play Little Spoon, Claudia... Boys, listen to this for a second. So you know how when straight men are Little Spoon and they touch the little booty because they're excited because you big spoon behind them?

And I get up on that ass.

Same. It felt like in that moment he was Little Spoon and his little dick jumped.

Reach around.

Destiny big spooned him and he tooted his booty. And Ariana said, right in front of me in my salad, excuse me, I'm right here. Like she had to remind him that she was even in the room.

He wanted to go so bad that he said, you can come with me.

You can come with me? Right, right. She calling.

No, he was aroused. And again, yes, it was petty for Destiny to summon him like that. But Ariana is the one who made it immature when she said, you better not fucking play with me and made it a challenge. Like if you go over there to her, it's a thing. Most people would have handled it with a little bit more dignity, but we talk about Arianne and Martel. So what tank are you really working with? And I just also think that Martel, Arianne doesn't move in a way that is really sexy to me. You know what I'm saying?

Even when it comes to like being with your, your, your dude, I need to stop saying niggas so much. When it comes to like, when you with your dude, even if you get in an argument with somebody, you do it sexy. You know what I'm saying? If Arianne would have sat in that room, because Destiny made no mistakes.

Destiny rolled Arianne like some dice on that table. She shook Arianne in her hand and threw her on that table and rolled her, right? Won the argument. Arianne starts losing control. She takes a really low blow and says that Destiny's son couldn't get into school, alleging that he was not, he didn't qualify. He wasn't eligible to get in the school right which is a shot because it's trying to say that you y'all know what she's trying to say yeah so destiny lost control the opportunity was there for ariana to look good be in the cut and say witty funny things without a lot of yelling and really like have the the composure that would have won the next um segment of the argument but she didn't do that she's so hell-bent on wanting to fight

with destiny that's why she picked that random um statement about talking to the bitch in three years or whatever. And it's now holding onto that years later. She ain't never liked Destiny. It has nothing to do with that statement. She thinks Martell wants to fuck her or has fucked her. And so that's enough right there. That's all she needs to feel and think for her to never want peace with Destiny. She's going to fight with her to the bitter end. So that's where I'm at with it.

I have a question for Carlos real quick before we leave this. Destiny, because I'm channeling my Taurus rage right now. Destiny made it up and stuck. off of the first comment she heard. Is there ever a point where Destiny finds out that this young lady actually mentioned her son in previous episodes when she wasn't around talking about she couldn't pay for his chicken fingers and Martel had to...

Does Destiny find out that this is actually the second offense and not the first?

She talked about the chicken fingers, yes.

Oh, I can't wait for that episode.

Without giving too much away.

You can tell us yes. You can just say yes.

It's just us. It's just the three of us.

I'll tell you. Destiny, Ariana, Martel, have a sit down.

Okay, so yes. Okay, good.

All right.

And I can't wait for you guys to watch that every Saturday at 8 o'clock Central on the Oprah Winfrey Network. So listen, Raindrops, I want to thank you all for the massive amount of TikToks. The viewership is increasingly... He's so happy.

Look at his face.

He's making money. It's no, it's no.

Thank you.

Applause, Chris.

Chris, thank you. Okay, I'll say this. I'll say this. I'll say this. I obviously love this show. But one thing about me, I'm honest. I haven't had this much fun recapping Huntsville in a minute. And I will say this season of Love and Marriage Huntsville, this is how I feel. I do feel like it's the best reality show of the year because it's so real. It's real life moments. These are real conversations, real situations that happen that are so extraordinary in the sense of These are things you hear about on the 11 o'clock news, right?

Yeah.

The idea that we're able to talk about this kind of stuff and shout out to my entire cast. I am having a blast recapping this season because to me, it's back to what Huntsville was, which was a show that really touched on these subject matters.

Yes.

That was sort of taboo. And this cast is doing a stellar job at that. And so are the three of you.

Carlos, I just want to add something real quick before we move on. And I will be one sentence with it. Shout out to OJ Simpson. Also, we gave Arianne a lot of smoke for that comment. But she probably got it from pillow talking with Martel, who's telling the business of her friend's son. And that's where he needs to get smoke because she didn't just pull that out the air.

That Martel probably ran back and told his good friend's business and you was dead ass wrong for that. And I think she's getting a lot of smoke in this episode. And I don't think Martel, whatever, is getting enough.

Okay.

Great point.

That's the curling irons, right?

It is.

Thank you guys for that. And listen, the ratings, I think they're coming out this week. Let's just say double. So anyway.

Ah, talk your shit.

Yes, you can get your girl some glam next season.

Yay.

Oh, my God.

How dare you? Oh, my gosh. I'm not watching. How dare you? This is trash.

You feel so vindicated. He won't say it, y'all, but he feels vindicated.

It goes to show you that, listen, I will always say this. Men lie, women lie, but those numbers don't. So anyways, check out Local Listings, Love and Marriage Huntsville every Saturday, 8 o'clock, 7 central on the Open Whipping Network. And serious shout out to my entire cast this season, in addition to the crew as well, because there is no I in team. And I know I'm the face of the production, but let's be clear. I have a robust crew of producers and camera ops and all those people who deserve attention. as much as I get the credit for the success. So shout out to my entire team of showrunners, Marcus, Janelle, Andrew, and Nisa, and.

The rest of the- Yeah, y'all doing y'all damn thing, for real.

A fabulous job, darling.

Yeah.

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