Dating App-Surdly Wrong: RHOP Recap with Claudia, Dustin & Blue

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. Raindrops, the time has come for Claudia Jordan, Blue Toulouse, and Dustin Ross and I to talk about episode two, season 11 of The Real Housewives of Potomac.

This episode was dedicated to, speaking of the Oprah Winfrey Network, to Oprah Winfrey's iconic character in The Color Purple. Miss Sophia, played by Karen Huger. Before we get into the actual event, I want to start off talking about Tia, who continued from last week to this week talking about the state of her marriage to Rob. She has admitted that Rob has been on a dating app since the first year they got married, okay? She felt that, I'm sorry, he said to her that he was lonely and was looking for attention. Tia said in her confessionals that she felt like he wanted to humiliate her and he should have done what most people do who cheat, do it privately. Blue, what are your thoughts on Tia, Rob, and that whole situation?

Here's the thing that I find interesting. It's the fact that we all have a story about somebody messing up our birthday, don't we? We all have a story that we had a birthday where a partner or a best friend or a parent... Well, maybe not Dustin because he's lived a charmed life. But most people, maybe not Dustin.

He's always like, who said that?

They love me. Except for Dustin.

Celebrating birthday. Right.

Except for Dustin, most people have a story about how a birthday or a wedding, in some way you were surprised that your closest friend or your homegirl or your favorite cousin acted a fool. There's been social research that people who secretly resent you intentionally do it during times when you're supposed to be celebrated. That's the first thing I thought of when I thought, how funny that this is coming out after her first season on Housewives. I think what really bothered me isn't just the emotional cheating that maybe, or maybe not, we haven't gotten into it yet, it might have been physical cheating, it's his desire to embarrass her that I do believe is present. And I think that a lot of times, and Carlos can speak

to this, and even Claudia can speak to this because you've been on these shows, a lot of times the partner who seems cool and quiet will find little ways to pinch you or get back at you because they resent you, but they don't want to say it out loud, so instead they embarrass you in the very place where they think that you're running circles around them, which is in the public eye. And so I think she has two problems on her hands, not just a man who is cheating, but also a man who resents her. And I think the second problem is actually more dangerous than the first. Resentment is like cancer. It's like gum in your hair. Anything that resentment touches in a relationship, you have to cut it out. Why would you use.

Gum in your hair? Talking about Rob.

Oh, because he ain't got none, my bad.

Why would you do that?

Well, the hairline started where his integrity did. And it's fading. Like his integrity. So I really do feel bad for her because even Giselle said, at least Pastor Bryant did it, you know, in the back pew. Like, you know, at least it was private. And Giselle, you ain't with that because it's true. A man who wants to cheat will cheat, but a man who wants to embarrass you is ten times worse. Maybe it's somebody else's turn because Carlson said it's turning red.

Did I answer the question, Carlos? I'll go next because obviously Huntsville has to be. I got to say my responses. Okay, here's the deal.

I agree with you in the sense of, and I want to go on record saying that, listen, I feel so much compassion for Tia based on what she's going through. No woman deserves that. No one deserves that if the roles were reversed. When she, before I get into that, last week I said on this show that I don't buy that this was Tia's first time knowing that her husband has been on dating apps. It was something about the way Tia reacted to the information that my spidey senses said does not miss things first time hearing about her man on dating apps. It was confirmed in this episode that I was right.

She said that.

The first year they got married or something along those lines, he was on a dating app then, okay? This is what I will say. Based on what's going on with Tia and Rob is unfortunate.

The issue is this.

It's hard for me to connect with Tia so far. And I'm going to tell you why. Tia did a huge disservice for herself as a second season housewife by not allowing the audience that she wants to buy into her and giving us the conversation with Rob.

The fact that as a viewer, I have to be subjected to you playing along with finding out for the first time on camera that this was something your husband did.

Only for you in your confessional to tell us that, okay, this did happen the first.

Time, you know, when we were getting married, got married rather.

To add insult to injury, I'm on episode two and I haven't seen a conversation between you and Rob.

Yeah.

Rob walks into the house. You stare at him. He gets the kids and you leave. And I'm not saying to have the kids be a part of the conversation, but Tia raises my concern as a reality vet and producer in this business in terms of when women sign on to do, to be a reality star and they don't want to do their job.

Okay.

Reality television is the only occupation in the world where you can go to work and tell your boss, I'm not doing that.

I'm not talking about that. That's too real. I'm not doing it. No one knocked on your door. You knocked on ours.

And you are on a show that Ashley Darby and Michael Darby raised you to be on. Juan Dixon and Robin Dixon. Ray and Karen Huger. I'm talking about couples who have very intense conversation. Listen, everyone knows I'm the main one that gives Ashley a hard time because I see so much potential in her. But what I'm not going to do is negate the fact that when Michael Darby was accused of sticking his thing in every hole in the world, Ashley talked about it.

She dealt with it. She confronted it.

Candace Dillard Bassett would cut off Chris Bassett in a moving vehicle.

Okay?

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, so....

Exactly. Dustin, exactly.

And then bring out her cry angle at the end.

Bring out her cry angle at the end.

So when it comes to Tia, it's hard for me to connect with her because it is your job as a reality star to give the reality of your life. I am so tired of people wanting to be on a reality show and they want to do the bare minimum and you expect me to go up for you.

I feel bad for what you're going through, sis. It's awful. It's terrible.

But if you're not going to give us a conversation with you and your husband one-on-one, not the kids, it has nothing to do with children. The kids don't have to be there because I do think kids are off limits, right? But as somebody who signed on a show with kids, your kids are watching the scene that air last night.

So they know what's going on here. And for me, it.

Really concerns me that we are starting a trend Where these women want to be a real housewife for their businesses, but they don't want you to tell their personal business.

Yeah.

That's why it's hard for me to connect with Tia.

At least Mia and G got in that kitchen and gave us that bomb ass scene at the end of the season finale or whatever.

We need a moment like that.

I agree 100%. We need a moment like that to connect with Tia because the combination of her being vague, you know what I'm saying? And protecting certain conversations. The combination of that with her kissing Giselle's ass the way she's kissing it, got her nose all in Giselle's ass crack, allowing her to spread rumors about her marriage. Shout out to the producers for running that montage of Giselle doing just that season after season after season. I don't know why Tia is so gleeful to, um, to be in a coupling, that's the word of the night, like that with Gisele.

Especially when Stacey.

And Wendy have already been the realest ones with her so far this season. She could have took that and rolled with it. She missed an opportunity to show herself as a fit cast member by acquiescing to Gisele the way that she did.

Yeah. And before I get to you, Claudia, for those saying, oh, what about Giselle? When Giselle has a man on the show, then we could talk about it.

But y'all just proved my point. It's the reason why these girls get away with it. And then y'all get mad when they have fake boyfriends, rented boyfriends, has been reality star having boyfriends, fake relationships, fake houses.

They have a house the first season. The next season, they moved. Y'all are the reason. Because some of y'all focus. But let me tell you something.

Raise your hand if you've done 20 years of this.

So, y'all... Man, we can't just trade friends.

Wait.

Not y'all, not y'all, but the comments. But this is the thing.

This is the reason why y'all favorite show gets canceled, Love Me Hip Hop, Ask My Wives, because y'all don't even want to see the reality of people. I said the facts about what Tia did, and y'all response is, what about Giselle?

Does Giselle have a boyfriend? Is Giselle.

On the show with a man that has a cheating problem. She told y'all about Jamal Bryant. Y'all so focused on calling her neck. Let's get into the weeds of the business. But y'all are the reason why social media has killed the reality star. And then y'all get mad when people like Alex Earl and Kim Kardashian get all the money because they give everything to the show. But I'm never going to give mediocrity any sort of love. And I'm never going to apologize for it. If you want mediocrity, then...

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Damn, I forgot what the question was.

Okay, so let's get into.

Yeah, he do. And I just....

I really, like last season, we were like, oh, they're so cute. But now we see it was all BS. And Tia, we like you, Tia, but you really tried it. Because last week, I believe the conversation was there wasn't even dating apps around before. Like, when did he get on? Or did we say that?

She did say that.

They didn't exist.

Oh, my God, you're right.

Claudia.

No, but what about what Giselle did? Let's talk about Giselle. Let's talk about Ashley. I don't want to hear your facts, Claudia.

Well, you don't hear these facts.

I totally forgot that.

As a former journalist, we have to go to the facts. Now, the facts are that just seven whole nights ago, there was a conversation about that dating apps didn't even exist. So you sat there and lied because not only were they around, you already had caught your man, your husband of one year while you were pregnant on them. That would have been the time to say, you know what, ladies, sensitive spot. I caught his ass on those apps before.

Let me go ahead and go check him right now. And she should have been on camera on the spot.

Oh, I thought you said, I thought you caught his spot.

Huh?

You said what?

Never mind, nothing. Because if you didn't say it, never mind.

They're still stuck in the hairline, Claudia. Go ahead.

Well, yeah, I didn't. So, okay. So I was watching it today. I'm one of my friends over here. And I was like, kind of like warming up some crab legs and stuff. So I was half watching. And I saw the hair. It was like a Caesar faded top, but then combed forward with bangs. I, I was very much thrown off. That's someone that's maybe going through a little midlife crisis. He don't want attention. Why you want a dating app when you have a wife on one of the most popular TV shows.

In the world?

A beautiful wife, mind I add.

Yes. And I feel like cheating is always bad, right? But when your person is famous or on a television show, it adds an extra level of humiliation because they don't have the convenience. They don't have the luxury of being embarrassed or suffering in silence. They're going to have to be talked about by all of us, everybody on YouTube.

And it's going to be fodder for the show. And it's like, it's times 10. It's times 10. And saying because you are lonely is crazy.

Especially when you got four kids.

How the fuck you lonely? You know what I'm saying? Y'all got four motherfucking kids. How are you lonely? It's always something to do in that damn house. So I'm not buying it personally. I don't believe he was lonely. I think he just freaked out and wanted to be on the apps, getting a thrill from doing something that he had no business doing.

I think that's what it was.

And I think he was very well aware of the fact that his wife was on this television show. This housewife shit is something that she's probably been wanting to do for a very long time. They probably talked about would they do it or wouldn't they do it. So he understands that. The things that come into play when you're on a reality show like that. And he still got on a fucking app on display for everybody. That represents a very brazen, bold attempt at cheating. And it reflects an intention to embarrass her to me. He wanted to embarrass her in that way. So all this shrouding the conversation, I'm with Carlos on that. sit down with him on camera and make it make sense for everybody, including your goddamn self. Because even when she talks about

this now in her press interviews that she just finished doing while she was talking shit about Stacey in every interview, she sure wasn't speaking as if she's made any real decisions when it comes to their relationship.

She wasn't acting like she was mad at him for it.

Not to cut you off, but I want to add to your point. And you're right. And when she said, she said.

So cavalier, I mean, I'm not going to leave my marriage because he's on dating apps.

Then, okay, that's it. What are we doing?

I have a theory about.

Why she's doing that, though. I do have a theory about that.

Oh, real quick, I want to correct. So she said there wasn't social media around back 20 years ago. So she knows the pictures on the dating apps were real, not just taken from an Instagram because there wasn't Instagram 20 years ago, I guess, right? Someone's calling that out. I just want to... But yeah, Black Planet was around, all those dating apps.

Mi Gente was around. Like, what are y'all saying?

Backpage.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Okay, let's stop with the names before y'all go too far with it.

No, I have a theory about why she's being cavalier, though. As a Caribbean woman, it's normal in our culture that we got an auntie and uncle who've been divorced and in motion for 20 years, but technically are still married.

Got it. Mm-hmm.

So I think to Dustin's two points about her being cavalier and her being up Giselle's butt, if I know that this is just a roommate that looks good on paper so my family won't be ashamed of me, but that I know that he's a dud and I paint the lemon and that we're just roommates raising kids together and I have a chance to be on a show and your only job on the show is to make me look good while I try to chase fame, that's why I would care more about Giselle and being put on and being with the cool girls than than actually speaking to my marriage. It's not even really a marriage.

It's a shell of a marriage, right? It would also speak to why I can be cavalier when it's brought up because I've already checked out on this dude back during the pandemic. So I will say in my culture, those relationships exist a lot. And I think she's like Nigerian and British, right? A lot of immigrant cultures, We're told divorce, you can never divorce even if you don't want to have a husband no more. And so if she is doing that thing of we're married only legally, but I've emotionally kind of gave up on you a while ago, it actually explains everything that I saw in episode number two.

This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

Let's get back into the show.

I respect it.

My only caveat would be then you come on the show and say to Giselle, look, I don't give a fuck what I'm doing with my marriage and in my house. That's my damn house and my marriage should do it with. And you are not going to be the person to tell everybody in this group that I'm doing it. It was disrespectful as fuck. And now I don't like your ass no more. And every time I see you, I'm going to cuss you out because I'm thinking about what the fuck you said about the shit I'm going through at home.

You know what I'm saying?

That's the approach that will garner you the respect that your pursuit of fame, you know what I'm saying, seems to be predicated on. Show yourself as a person who will stand up to Giselle. In that case, be like, no, I'm staying with my husband.

I love my family.

And even though he was wrong as shit, I'm staying with him because that's how we do it where I come from. But you are not going to be the person who is going to serve this to everybody and stand up for yourself. It's her kissing Giselle's ass and kowtowing to her that's turning me off personally.

I just speak for myself.

That's the disconnect for me when it comes to, you know what I'm saying?

Mm-hmm.

Claudia, you got something to say before we move on?

She got emotional when she was talking about her daughters looked to her as an example of how to be like in a relationship. And it meant one thing to me when we were just finding out that this just happened, but then it means something else to know that it's been happening since you were pregnant year one of your marriage.

So like you knew from the beginning and you can't, you know, like this, I don't believe that this is the first or second time she's heard about this or known about this. This is the first and second time we're hearing about it. And that's sad. You know what I mean? Like, were you getting emotional because we're finding out about it and it's embarrassing? You know when people get cheated on in private, they can deal with it a little bit differently. But when it's out on blast on social media and the public, it's a different thing.

But you done been. He been getting away with it. I'm sure you brought it up in year one of your 17-year-long marriage. You've been together for 27.

Yeah, you called me real fast and then we'll move on.

Mm-hmm. The reason why 95% of housewives get divorced, 95%, okay? The entire cast of New York City before the reboot, they all were divorced. The entire cast of Atlanta before this reboot, all divorced. Potomac, all divorced, except obviously Wendy. And Candace was still married. But my point is, and we saw what happened to Mia and Gordon. The reality is this, and this is what people don't realize, And I'm going to say Real Housewives. Nine times out of ten, when a woman signs on to be a Real Housewife, it's an exit strategy from her marriage.

Oh.

Okay? It is.

It is.

Because she's choosing herself and she's choosing to build something that she can have without the need of her husband. On Salt Lake City, Demi and Dustin, watch. you know, we have two women going through a divorce at this... I'm sorry, Dustin, I lied. On Salt Lake City current season, there are three housewives going through the divorce at the same time.

Angie, Bronwyn, and Whitney.

Mm-hmm.

Okay? So listen, I'm not going to sit up here and speculate, but my thing is this, and my theory is this.

If your man did that to you the first year I got married... I'm with Claudia. He didn't wait until Potomac said you got the job to start over again years later.

Right? It has nothing to do with her celebrity. It's before that.

I just want to see the pictures from the dating app. Sorry.

I was thinking the same thing. Which one did he choose for the head?

I just wanted to see what he picked.

He was hat fishing.

To present himself as like a potential date to people. I want to see what the picture says.

Can I ask you guys a question about old girl? Because this actually statement bothered me, but it's not big enough for it to be a talking point, but I do, it's niggling at me for some reason. Our good girl, Stacey, to Carla's point, she's ahead of the curve. She got the voice before the show, so ha, it doesn't work for me, right? Stacey's always, she's never wrong just early, right?

But I have a question. Stacey said something that really bothered me about Tia. She said, she told me that I married up. I have a question. Does Thierma or whatever his name is, is he crazy rich? Because my question that I wrote is, is she saying that because he's richer than Stacey or just because he's white? What does that mean she married up? Because nothing about him says married up, so I am confusion.

I tapped into that too. I'm like, what you trying to say about Stacey by saying that?

That statement really bothers me and it won't go away.

Yeah.

Carlos, is it because he's rich?

Based on what I have heard, he definitely is a man of means.

Okay, so it's because he's rich and white, not just white.

Got it. Okay, go ahead.

Yeah, and we know that some of them look at that as proximity. But I'll give you his job description in a second because I want to make sure I get the facts.

Before I say it.

Hmm. All right, up next, we got Dr. Wendy, who met with her mother. As we all know, Dr. Wendy's mom has never met a camera she didn't like.

Hey, Dr. Wendy's mom, I love you. I love her mama. Shut the fuck up!

Okay, just saying.

That's how you love her?

No, that's what she said to Wendy.

I love her. I know, I know.

But that's the quote that you picked to show you love her?

It's iconic.

Oh, you just shut the fuck up.

You shut the fuck up. Yeah, I love her.

Okay, so.

I was surprised, I must admit. I was surprised that.

We did see a softer side.

I'm sorry, go ahead.

I was surprised we saw a softer side of Wendy's mom, right?

Is that what we saw?

And I do want us to talk about this a bit because Wendy's mother wants her to stay married to Eddie. And when the producer asked Wendy in the confessionals, Was her mother disappointed in Eddie? Wendy said that her mother would have to do that herself. This scene surprised me because I did expect, based on what I've seen of Wendy's mom, to really give her that tough love that we've seen throughout her time on the show. I was pleasantly surprised that she seemed to be softer when it came to Wendy's situation.

And I was even more shocked that.

She seemed to have been on staying in your marriage, right?

She seemed lighter.

Yeah.

Wait, is that a double meaning?

I'm not touching that.

I'm just saying she seemed lighter.

I'm not saying. You know I ain't saying nothing about that.

Well, Dustin, if you want to talk, Dustin, you can start now.

Her approach.

I ain't saying nothing.

Y'all being serious right now?

Okay, sorry, go ahead.

Because before we seen her in scenes, first of all, she hates the fuck out of Wendy's father, right? She cussed Wendy out last season. or even trying to have a phone conversation with them. You know what I'm saying? She always cussing Wendy out. Drink the wine and all that other shit. You know what it is. So she seemed to have a lighter approach. Y'all trying to make it seem about the bleach and shit. I was not even, not y'all. I'm talking about audiences, right?

No, never us.

You know I'm direct with my shit. I would have just said it. You know what I'm saying?

I'm not. I literally meant she had like a lighter approach. way and approach now.

It is funny and I do see the joke now but you know at the.

Time I did not find it soft at all yeah oh go ahead Blue I'm so sorry I had the complete opposite reaction and it's Carlos' fault which is why I think I'm shocked that Carlos is saying soft inside of Sears Carlos is always schooling us on how to call bullshit on reality TV and you put it in my head last season that Wendy be rehearsing her lines with her family and saying action So, because of you, Carlos D. King, I was like, oh my God, he's right, because this is performative as hell. I didn't say it wasn't. Okay, it was performative as hell. It felt like a Tali Perry production to me. Here's the deal.

I didn't get my recap. I just set the stage and Dustin took over. So, go ahead.

Okay, well.

Go ahead.

Lighter or not.

I'm leaning more towards what I think you're about to say, but I'll reserve my comment to after Claudia speaks.

But go ahead, sis.

I'm not talking.

I will talk. I will talk. I, number one, love Wendy. Wendy, I don't care who did it. You, Eddie, the butler in the pantry. I don't care.

So let's start there.

I'm on your side, right? Number two, the biggest fall from grace for me for this show is Karen Huger. The minute Karen decided to be nasty with Wendy, she lost me and a lot of the audience was vocal about her losing him as well. And also that line about, like your mother said, you need to shut the hell up.

I don't feel her mother has changed whatsoever, lighter, darker, whatever. I think what happened is they got the scripts. And Wendy said, so mother, you see how you saying that line was weaponized by my biggest op against me, right? We need to fix this. So when I come in, you need to show them that you love me, I love you, cue the Barney. And then you have to make sure that you disavow Karen so when I ether her in a couple of scenes, we have the precedent that she can't use you because you don't give consent.

And I will make sure that when I look good as hell, like a bad bitch in my confessionals, I will say, and I quote, because this is the script, I have to write the lines, the world turned their back on me, but my mom didn't.

Or else I'm not giving you your allowance.

Yeah.

And if you do this, I'll pay your mortgage for the rest of the year.

It felt.

I adore Wendy and I was yelling bullshit the entire time. According to the school of Carlos, I learned that that was bullshit. So that's why I'm shocked that you're saying this because... Oh, okay.

No, no, no. Once again. Did I get it right?

Did I get it right?

I was setting the stage for the conversation. I did not offer my opinion. I. I was going to wait until Claudia goes and I was going to end.

Claudia, would you like to go before I- The world turned their back on me.

It was a little fake-ish. It was a little fake-ish. Listen, I don't want to dim anyone's light. I'm just going to back up out of this conversation. I'm not going to say anything. About anybody.

Do the horse, Claudia. Do the horse.

Go into the horse.

Force effect.

I'll take it for the team. I don't care.

Okay.

I'm not saying... Claudia.

That's actually smart.

That's really smart.

Okay.

I'm fair. I'm fair. I'm fair. Obviously... that was a rehearsed scene. And it's obvious. It's obvious.

The reason why I said at the top that I was pleasantly surprised, because I was surprised that the mama felt, I was surprised that the mother signed on, because her mother is like Mama Joyce to me, which is, and I work with the iconic Mama Joyce.

Yes.

I want to tell Mama Joyce what to do.

So I was pleasantly surprised that Wendy allegedly spoke to her mother and said all the things that Blue said. I mean, Blue, verbatim what you said, I do believe that conversation happened before the record button was pushed.

And I.

Here's the deal.

I think that what we're going to see this season when it comes to that storyline is a very carefully worded and crafted scene work from them And I will say this, and I'm being honest when I say this, I get it because I think Dr. Wendy and Eddie knows that the prosecution is watching.

Hell yes.

And they're taking note based on every scene.

And that's why I am prepared that for this season, Dr. Wendy is going to give us scene work that doesn't make her case get worse. And because I do love her and I want to see her prevail and Eddie as well from this, I'll give you a pass this season. But what I will say is we still have to call out things we're seeing. And for me, that definitely was a rehearsed scene because I wasn't, I expect that from her mother. I think her mother, am I saying this?

Wendy being cavalier, and secretive when the producer asks, is your mom disappointed? Shows me that her mom is disappointed. But the scene we watched did not suggest that. And that's when I said, this is obvious that the reality isn't matching what we're watching.

I'm going to tell you what gave it away for me.

And to be clear, I love Wendy and I'm on her side.

We love her.

We want her to win. Talk about the case, love her. And she looked the fuck good. Shout out to Paris Shea.

Two of them together is magic.

But what gave it away for me was when Wendy walked into her mom's house and her mom came down the steps and said, hey, Wendy, how are the kids? How are the kids doing? That dialogue, I was like, okay, this is a total, like, poor scene. So that's what gave it away for me.

Okay.

So Courtney had us see this episode. Her father is a PK. Kourtney is a newbie on Potomac. She's with her two kids. She's working on her ordainment. In this scene, she reveals,' Cause.

Kourtney, I like you.

Cause Kourtney said,' You ain't about to TME, Rob.

Okay?' Let's be clear.

I'm going to tell my business before Giselle Bryant gets a DM, okay? Before Cookie, hey, Cookie, DMs Karen, okay? Courtney said, I'm going to spit my own tea. Courtney revealed that there was infidelity on her side and her husband's side.

They both cheated.

Everybody cheated.

She said that they were separated for two years.

Courtney.

Thank you for doing the job that you signed up to do. I'm here for it. And, and, and I have a feeling I'm gonna like you a lot because of that.

I agree. I agree. Just drop the religious act.

I think that she's laying that on a little thick as her, her stick kind of her angle with the cast. And I think that once she gets over that performative piece with that, like I respect her faith, obviously, and her mission to be a pastor or whatever, but, Once we are made aware of that, that's enough of that.

You know what I'm saying? Now let's get you in the mix with the ladies. So it's only episode two.

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Do you think she's following in Portia's footsteps of starting religious and then being freaky afterwards? Do you think maybe there's a little bit of that happening too? Because the religious to freak pipeline tends to work really well in reality.

I brought that up last week.

It's very reminiscent of season five Portia, which I'm fine with. I think she's a very pretty woman. She seems to be a doting mother. And I think she handled herself well at the Wizards game. But I don't need to see her in the pulpit no more on the show. Unless it's like a group scene and them going to church.

You know what I'm saying?

Oh, my God. The church would go up in smoke.

Sorry. Go ahead.

Even the kids, the kids clocked in. They said, you need way more practice.

That was cute. I thought that was cute.

It was cute. And then when they went up and did it, they was already good out the gate. Like they both was like way better. I like her a lot too. I think she's adorable. I think she's very pretty, very cute. She's spunky. I like her. I think it's great to bring in the basketball element of someone that's currently involved. I think that's dope. But yeah, the pastor, preacher thing to me, been there, we've seen this happen before and it's never worked out. And it just feels so cringe. Maybe if we see in future episodes that This is really our passion, but it kind of gives, okay, what else can we do for my storyline?

You know what I mean?

I don't know. But I'm not a big fan of all that anyways. You know what I mean? I'm a heathen.

Claudia, wait a minute.

Claudia will be a bedside Baptist every Sunday.

Bedside Baptist. I'm a kind heathen, but I'm, yeah. I feel like when you, I don't know. I just be feeling like a little phony sometimes. I think she is, but sometimes like the reality show thing, I don't.

Well, the reason why I think it's her thing, too, is because before the show, she has a lot of Instagram posts for years doing this.

Oh, really? Okay.

Yeah, no, no.

So this is something that, based on her Instagram.

She's... Okay.

I take it back then.

No, she... This is what she does, yeah.

Praise the Lord.

Leave it there.

You get on the show, get in the mix with the ladies. Do all that stuff on Instagram.

Praise the Lord, child.

Praise the Lord.

Praise. God bless. Yeah, but just, you know....

How do y'all feel about Robin being back this season? She's in this episode. She meets with Wendy. I thought Robin looked great. But Dustin, starting with you, Robin meeting with Wendy and, you know, trying to ask like how she's doing. And they, you know, they listen. It was a nice conversation. Listen, Wendy ain't gonna give her much.

We know that based on the history of their friendship. But besides that, I think my question more so is, do you like Robin being back so far this season?

In two episodes, Robin has already surpassed the effort that she put in during her entire tenure. on the show previously as a housewife in two episodes she has eclipsed.

That no I agree no I agree sorry.

When it comes to effort when it comes to intention even like in the conversation that she had with Wendy at the sit down she was so clear and you can tell that she has pressed a personal control or delete she has been reset and rebooted if she were a Sega Genesis cartridge somebody picked her up and did like this.

And then put her back in you.

Know what I'm saying that's what's going on here Robin has been refreshed and she's showing up differently. She must have been listening when Iyanla Vanzant said, do it different, do it different, do it different. Robin is doing it different and it's refreshing to see.

I'm enjoying her. I'm enjoying her. And it seems like she's.

Relieved that she doesn't have to bring any of her home life to the show. She seems relieved to just be in the scene and just talking about this shit and not on the defense and looking for someone to say something that's a personal attack. So she's been more pleasant to watch. I enjoyed her these past two episodes.

I did. Blue?

I need to co-sign my brother Dustin so much because I'll say this. Robin is probably my least favorite Potomac housewife of all time up until maybe 14 days ago. And even when we would joke, like, maybe Robin should come back. I'd be like, no, hiss, boom, right? Like, I was not a Robin fan. There is a whole long list of reasons why I don't like her that we don't have to say anymore because like Dustin said, she hit the auto refresh. I do believe, I do agree that these first two episodes have completely scrambled my brain and changed my brain chemistry around her. And I didn't think it was possible. It also proves, and I'm going to keep on pointing this out, what we said last season. Remember when we told Angel... that if she

just course-corrected, she could win us back? Remember about an hour ago when we told Arianne if she course-corrected, she could win us back? Robin is literally a case study of how that happens. Robin had years of getting on my good last nerve. And it's almost like she's the reverse of Ashley Darby. Ashley had no relevance after Michael left, and suddenly Robin is amazing without Juan, right? Sometimes all you need to do is leave your husband. Well, sorry, from the show. And suddenly you get your personality back, Robin.

So Robin... Everything that I've said about you, and it's a lot. I'm willing to call a truce if you keep this up. You have changed my mind in two episodes. I pray to God. And even when Wendy gave you smoke as you deserved, because here's the thing. And this is the thing I love about Wendy. Wendy's a perfect example of when people think they can bully you and find out the hard way that you can't be bullied, and now they have to figure out another way to come to you. Everybody who tried to bully Wendy either left or had to fix their mouth. And so I love that when Robin talks to Wendy, there's a respect in her because she's like, you're formidable. I don't want no smoke. I'm happy to be back. Andy's check deposited.

Can we just start over so I can pay for my bills and whatnot? So Robin, whatever you did, whatever counsel you got, I love it. And I am shocked. I would have never thought this last season. I think they needed you this season to help make things right again because after we went through last season, I was worried about the show. I really was.

Claudia.

So I'm one of the last people that started watching this show. Really, when I started, I only watched it, I watched it a few times in hair salons before I started doing the show with you guys. So I like to just see bits and pieces. So I never understood a lot of people's hatred for Robin. My first time really talking to her was when we both did watch What Happens Live and then we went for drinks afterwards.

And I was like, I fucked with you. I like you. I think you're cool.

In real life, yeah.

He was cool to me.

I had no issues. But again, I was never irritated from her by the shows. I got to know her one-on-one as a person and she's always been cool to me. Go binge it.

Huh? Go binge it, friend. Go binge them early seasons.

Yeah, you'll find out very quickly.

It's okay because there's a lot of people that can say they hate me from one season of Housewives and I'm not letting that define me. You know what I mean? Like what I did in the past. I like her being in this friend of the show role. I think like with Cynthia, there's like a lightness, right? Like did the heavy lifting before. It made me be something I don't like to be. It dragged me. It drained me.

Made people hate me. And in this role, she seems like she's having fun. She's stirring the pot a little bit. She's also showing from some of the previews that she's not necessarily there to be Giselle's mouthpiece like people try to paint her out to be. She seems like she's ready to be like, no, she's her and I'm me and I'm going to show y'all without trying too hard.

It does not seem performative at all. It seems like she's like, I think it's going to make some people be like, oh, okay, maybe not say they were wrong about her, but... I like seeing this lighter, easy breezy version of her, because I like it. I think she had a perfect amount of mischief about her, and then she's not really scared to ask questions and to stir the pot. I don't know. I like her on the show.

She's lighter. She's the one who I would- Yeah.

You know what?

Nah, let me shift gears. So the thing is this, I agree with all of you guys. I do believe that in some cases and everything, there's exceptions to every rule.

I do think that.

If a housewife reaches a certain amount of seasons, they should have a break. Because the thing is this, you have to love it again and you have to want it. When I look at Cynthia Bailey, who's the godmother of the Brown Housewives of Atlanta, And, like you all said, who embraces that role because she doesn't have to talk about Peter and her relationship and her mom and her sister.

And she gets to, like, focus on, like, let me pop in and pop out. And she's excelling in unforeseen heights because of that.

You look at Robin.

Robin.

I've always said this. I've always felt Robin had potential.

But I always felt that Robin had a weird relationship with fame.

Because.

I never, the thing is this, when I say this, it's not a bad thing because I love to take everything I say that may sound bad as bad, but this don't sound bad. One of my friends, actually, she hit me up and she said, I've been approached to be on a reality show. And she said, should I do it? And I said, you're not thirsty enough to do it. And when I say thirsty, it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Like you don't have the thirst for, in the sense of you have to really want this and you have to be willing to give everything.

To the show.

Those are the girls and the guys and the days that make it work for them.

And it's not a bad thing. The hydration is a bad thing.

But being thirsty means you have a thirst for the experience and the opportunity because you're going to make it what it is. And I always felt that Robin did the show only because Giselle said, you want to do it with me? Because Sharice allegedly cast Giselle and Robin.

And I think Robin thought it was fun.

And I think if Robin knew that Juan Dixon and what he was doing, you know, whatever, was going to be a focal point, I personally don't think she would have signed on to do it.

I told you guys this.

There's a lot of women in Atlanta who I wanted to do Atlanta Housewives when I was on it. And they all said to me, no, my husband ain't doing what he's supposed to do. Or my husband's rich. You ain't about to dig in his pockets. Or I have kids and I want my kids to be a part of no show.

And I respect it.

And I think Robin being back in this role, I don't think Robin should ever be a housewife again. I think Robin is excelling as a friend. And that role suits her. She looks much better, much lighter, much freer.

And it suits her.

Yep, agreed 100%, Carlos.

Yeah.

All right, let's get into Karen, Miss Sophia event, guys. So, Claudia Jordan, Color Purple, Miss Sophia, Karen Kruger said, I'm out of jail, and I'm back. What were your thoughts on this event that Karen threw for the girls?

I mean, the outfit was pretty accurate, like, right? The costume. But, like, Sophia, it wasn't really.

Huh? She just had the wrong hair, that's all.

Well, okay.

I was like, Sophia did not have no deep wave.

Okay, but like, here's my thing.

Deep wave too? It was just bad.

It wasn't really.

It was just cute though, for real. Yeah.

Had she done better research of Sophia's story, it wasn't a happy thing when Sophia got out. When she got out, she was forced to be a servant to the man that put her in jail.

Yeah.

So I was like, huh? Like she was in jail. Then she was in jail again in her personal life. And not to like the damn near end of her life that she have a little bit of joy and smile again.

Right?

But I was like, so when they did the montage and saying that her stuff don't be making sense. And then I was like, yeah, I don't remember Sophia's story. I mean, it says she lost her spirit. She was forced into servitude after serving time in prison. She was forced to work as a maid for Miss Millie, the mayor's wife. She was separating her from her family and kids for years. So I was like, huh? But it was, I mean, I like costumes and themes.

Oh.

Sitting in that jail, damn near rot to death. That's what she said in the movie.

Are you listening? So yeah, great. But if nothing else, right? It's great.

It was a good nod to classic black cinema, right? Color Purple is very important to all of us, both iterations of it. And I'm glad that it got some shine. Alice Walker's work deserved that.

Okay.

I was like, when she get the clothes, like she, you know, the dress, like, where would you even find that? Like, I was like, okay, Karen, the thing.

We owe you an apology. We said it was reaching with OJ. I think this was more of a reach.

Listen, I will say there were plenty of people that agree with me in the comments that.

No, no, the OJ thing makes more sense to me than this. I'm going to be honest. I thought.

Oh, then Karen's thing you mean?

Yeah, the whole technology makes more sense than Karen's party. I thought it was a hot mess. I thought it was weird. And the next thing you know, Ashley's smelling her booty hairs being sensed. The whole thing was a shit show in my opinion. I also think that to her trying to use, how do I say this? You know, there's little moments where you look at somebody like, where is this going? When she came out of jail. Sorry, prison jail. I don't know the difference. I haven't been to either. But when she came out of lockup and she said, I have the weave of all the inmates braided into me.

I said, now bitch, what happened?

That was so gross to me. Yeah.

There's this weird oppression envy. She wants to be Martha Stewart. But it's not working out. Snoop Dogg's not coming with the good weed. It's very bizarre the way she's trying to become a martyr and reclaim herself as a grand dame. Okay, so this is backwards. I used to love Karen and couldn't stand Robin, and now here I am in 2026...

clapping for Robin and looking at Karen like she's a doof, right? Karen, you lost a little bit of your magic when you went in and you came back without it. Again, you overplayed your hand with the Wendy thing because it came off mean-spirited because you thought when you went in there, the Grey Knight bandits were bullying Wendy, so you thought it was safe to keep doing that to her, only to find out that she had become beloved in your absence.

And then when you tried to course correct it, and Wendy said, no, without a conversation, this is fake and weird. Now you're mad that she didn't let you rewrite history in her face. I do love the part where she tried to speak about her soft feelings towards women who are in lockup. And then Wendy said, I literally am being threatened with the same injustice that you are saying that you're standing up for. And you stepped on my neck when I was down. So where is it in real life outside of the speech? You gave me that bad gray wig that makes you look 112, even though you're supposed to be a baddie. So- I love that Wendy and her production company are planning to have their foot on your neck for the rest of the season

because whatever you're selling, I don't like it and it hurts my heart because I used to be a huge fan of yours. You're losing me. And then you trying to flip it and said, but I told you to shut the fuck up for your own good. It's getting old. Nobody's buying it. It sounds crazy and abusive every time you say it. Every time you say it, I see Precious running with the fried chicken. It's giving real Monique, like it's real bizarre how you being verbally abusive, you think it's a sign of you being a good person.

So I'm just going to say this. I hope there's a part where she realizes I can't gaslight Wendy. I need to move on.

Also, it doesn't hurt that much to get your asshole waxed. It actually is the least painful.

It is.

You get a bikini wax, that hurts. Your vagina, but not your butt hole. It's like, oh, barely noticed.

Yeah, ladies, your booty hole is numb. Claudia is correct. You've had the little laser, right?

Now it's laser, so it's smooth.

Now I'm speaking while the two boys are watching. But yes, when you get your booty hole waxed or lasered, it actually has no feeling. So that was all performative and not the good kind. Not you pretending to be in pain with a bad wig on.

I hate it.

I hate everything about it.

Meant doesn't have sidebar conversation about booty holes too, so it's all good.

We also got hair on ours. Yeah. Mine is hairless.

Yes.

Okay.

I got a hairless booty hole.

That's the same conversation. Dustin said, don't put me in that.

Let's just move on.

If you know, you know.

Okay, so one of the last things I want to get into before I let you guys go is this. How did y'all feel when Giselle told Tia... that, listen, I have no need to apologize to, um, Wendy.

She is a scammer. You know, she is guilty. She did it. Like, did you read the reports? Like the evidence? Like she did it.

Tia goes back and tells Wendy what Giselle said, um, which, which, um, Tia, see, hey, I'm giving you that.

He looks so good here. Can we just talk about how good her and Stacey look? Gorgeous. They look so... Oh.

My God, they look so good. Skin, everything, gorgeous, all of it.

That's how you do a swoop. That's how you do a swoop.

That's a proper swoop, Ariana, if you still watching. Go to the lady and have a professional swoop.

Okay.

Not so thick.

How did y'all feel? Let me start with you, Claudia. When Giselle made those statements about Wendy....

Was she justified because obviously she has every right to feel how she feels? And or were you surprised that Wendy did not address it to Giselle in that moment?

When Tia told her.

I felt that Giselle was doing a lot. And I also felt like she was just being a reality star in that moment. I thought she was doing a little bit for the cameras. Like, you know, oh, she did it. She a scammer. Thinking that that's, you know, people are watching. Cause I'm like, damn, like, I don't know. I felt like that was a lot, you know? And Wendy, she's, I think she will address it, but she probably don't want to give her no energy right now. But yeah, I thought she, I thought Giselle was putting a little 10 on 20 with that. Like, Like, already convicted the lady.

It's already, like, she's convicted. She's already guilty, you know? Like, I'm like, eh, we should probably hold off on that. Like, let it play out before you can say that with your chest like that because you might end up beating Crow later on and feeling a little silly. You know, we don't really know yet.

Dustin, what are your thoughts on that?

What Giselle said about Wendy and then ask her the next day if she can help her with, you know, the event she has going on.

Giselle been waiting to get Wendy back for the way that Wendy went at her when Giselle was spreading those rumors about Wendy's husband a few seasons ago. And Wendy was on her ass for an entire season and reunion. And then they ended up having a slower path toward gentle, cordial times and acquaint and meetings with each other. But Giselle, the way Wendy was cussing Giselle out, remember when she had them braids in and she had the Ivy Park outfit on? And she was like, what did she tell her?

Everything you did to me, your life right now is payback. Whatever she said, Giselle was cussing Wendy out. I mean, excuse me, the opposite. Wendy was cussing Giselle the fuck out for a whole season. And I think that Giselle was going to get her back eventually. Yeah, we'll play nice. I'll agree to get along with you. Robin is gone now, so I'll get along with you. But the minute I have an opportunity to get your ass back for that, I'm going to get you. And I think that's what we're witnessing. And it's fair game on the housewives. So I'm not even really, it just kind of is what it is. I don't think Wendy fully ever trusted Giselle.

And the opposite is true as well. And I saw this coming a mile away. I knew Robin's back on the show. Giselle really has no reason to be, you know, in cahoots with Wendy in any way. She's going to use this to keep the season exciting. So I expected it. I'm not mad at her about it either. I just think that's just how she feel about it.

Yeah.

I'm not mad. I think they also said that Giselle apologized to Wendy on What Happens Live.

Yeah, she apologized in the recent episode and said that she felt bad for calling her. That's why I was going to point out that.

Oh, that was good.

Yeah, I think it's because Robyn is back. My first thought was she regressed. You know when you go on a diet and you mess around and wake up one day and the ice cream's gone, you're like, oop, I regressed. I think that Giselle had decided to be vegan while Robyn was gone. And the minute Robyn came back, she looked into her green eyes and forgot what she was and regressed a couple seasons ago. I think it was interesting, though.

Oh, but my OJ thing was reaching.

I think Robin is her ice cream. I think it's her hot and nice.

Look at the veganism and ice cream.

Yeah, I really think so. I think she looked into Robin's eyes and said, we back at it? And Robin's like, no, we're not back at it. Ain't nobody coming to see you, Otis. I think what's going to be crazy is I'm wondering if the fact that Robin has course corrected and is playing the game smarter... is what causes the chasm between her and Gisele. Because Gisele's used to her being the A mic, Robyn being the sidekick B mic, while she's hiding Juan's sins, and then Gisele's whatever. Now that Robyn's like, I'm my own person, and Juan's not here, I can actually just be a regular cool-ass bitch, I think Gisele's not used to Robyn being autonomous.

She's not going to like that.

Yes.

I can't take Wendy on my own. We're supposed to help me jump her. I think that's what's going to happen to Giselle. She's realizing, I thought you were going to help me jump Wendy. Now you're being reasonable. And now I look stupid by myself, which is why I had to make peace with her last season when I thought I was alone. I'm alone again. So I think that's going to be an interesting conversation. And Robin, I am so happy that I know that without Giselle, I like you. Because here's the funny thing. I like Giselle without Robin. I like Robin without Giselle. That's what this season so far has taught me is when they're apart, I actually really enjoy them. It's the relationship that they have and the dynamic that they have that I find icky.

So we'll see. Okay.

Very interesting.

All right.

So Raindrops, let us know your thoughts on this episode. I think Potomac's having a great season so far. It's only been two episodes, but so far so good. So Raindrops, let us know in the comments your thoughts on it.

Thank you, Claudia, Dustin, and Blue once again. And watch Potomac every Sunday on Bravo.

All right.

Love y'all.

Have a good night.

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