Sai-YONARA, FILES! | RHONY Recap with Dustin Ross

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

Rain drops. I know.

I'm, you know, I'm so excited because Dustin Ross, round of.

Applause, is joining us for the roadie recap. And we are so happy to have him here. I don't know what I'm doing. I thought I had to hit record. It's recording. Thanks to Artificial Jamie. Not intelligent. Okay.

Artificial Jamie is my intelligent assistant.

I'm going to start calling him AJ. That's my new nickname.

Well, we have to because apparently Stacey Rush unfollowed AJ on social media and vice versa.

Wow. I wonder what he did. Look, I wonder what he did. Type shit. Hello. Look, I don't know. He was always kind anytime he corresponded with me online. But it was his fault because Stacey and I followed him too. So that's that.

Because I haven't corroborated this rage, Rob, I was, you know, perusing now X.

One X, not three.

And I saw a comment. So I haven't done my research, but he said AJ.

I thought of him. But like Dustin said, AJ is so nice. He's a sweetheart.

Yeah, he is.

Like Dustin said, Stacey didn't do it.

And that's just that. Yeah. And he used to have her back, too, so he'll understand. Yeah.

Well, look, I need for you to have my back the way Carol's having the back of the email.

You know what?

Let's throw everything out the window. So, Dustin, I am so happy, and I do mean this. As you all know, Raindrops, Dustin is from, well, he lives in New York City.

He's from Michigan.

Yes, absolutely.

But he lives in New York City, and.

He is somebody that obviously understands the city, but also understands this type of show. So, we are just going to go right into it. And then Raindrops, it's okay. We're going to address other things too, but the Carol Raswell of it all as it relates to being in the Epstein files. Dustin, when she brought it up herself, my producer brain went off.

Yes.

And I said to self, Carlos King I, Carol is a vet who's been off the show for a few years. She brought this up herself because in her mind, she thought, I'll bring it up so that y'all won't try to embarrass me with it.

I'll address it.

But what she didn't know, that side, the private eye who was a sleeper.

No, no shade. She's kind of been asleep this season.

Yeah. Divorce and all. Divorce and all. Yes.

Auntie and all.

$ 25, 000 a month.

And all.

Sneering and all. She's always doing that. When Psy gets mad at them, she always. Every time. We love her for it. But yeah, that's what she does.

You know, and I love Psy. However, she hasn't been activated.

I did not know that the emails of the FC files was going to activate her. How do you think Carol responded to this and size investigative journalist skills?

She responded to it the wrong way, but in a way that is completely relatable and understandable. Right. Because think about it when you're friends with somebody like, and not that close, but you're actually friends or whatever, like cool. you might not know the totality of who they are. So she was like, look, we was cool like that, but if you present her with some evidence that they were cool, like if you say, hey, I seen those pictures of y'all, she'll say, well, yeah, we did that.

Or if you say, hey, I seen them text messages, well, yeah, we did text about that. Well, hey, I seen that email. Yeah, we did email about that, but she ain't gonna volunteer none of that. But I still think she went about it the wrong way. I don't blame Psy, okay? Because that Epstein Files shit, that's some shit you don't want to be nowhere near, nothing attached to. You don't want to be attached to it in no way. You want to clear it the fuck up. It's also a hell of an ace in your back pocket if one of your castmates on this show was in the motherfucking Epstein file.

I don't blame Sy. Clear it up on site and hold her to task as a castmate, but also I don't know. I like Carol Razuel. I like her and I enjoyed her this season on the show, but I don't jig with the way that she really responded to that. I don't. Because to me, your response, the key word, Epstein, right?

So your response should be, that shit was horrible. May everybody involved get what the fuck they deserve. I ain't got nothing to do with that. But if she did, fuck her too. It's a way you respond to it, not trying to be defensive. That's what I think sort of encouraged Psy to start really shoving her stiletto in her ass the way she did because she was being defensive and being weird. The minute she asked her about it, she went to doing all of that. And you know what I'm saying? And it just was a lot. To me, it was the wrong response. That's the kind of shit you be crystal clear. Carlos, you crazy. But that's the guy, you know, that's how Carol be doing in them sessions.

You know how she be doing. But that's some shit. You clear that shit the fuck up immediately. I am not in it. And fuck everybody who is. That's how your response is. And I don't think Carol's response reflected that. So I kind of get it. And also, while we at that scene out on the terrace, what the fuck was Daisy hopping in the ropes for? You know what I'm saying? Why was Daisy jumping in them ropes? Daisy, you don't need to be, again, the Epstein Files. When that shit is brought up, you distance yourself, even if that means not jumping in an argument that don't have shit to do with you. Why are you jumping in?

Why are you, Daisy, picking this argument to jump in and be a part of? Sort of questioning why Cy was questioning her about the Epstein Files. It's the fucking Epstein files. So the minute it's mentioned, the minute it's questioned, you should side with people interrogating something regarding the Epstein files.

You should side with rhetoric and language that indicates how horrible and reprehensible the actions were that people displayed in the motherfucking Epstein files. You should distance yourself from that. There's nothing to defend in any way, shape, or form, even if it means jumping in the argument that you ain't got shit to do with in the first place.

So you shouldn't even have been in that. I started questioning Daisy. A lot of her behavior with her Stephanie from Full House looking ass. A lot of her behavior has been shit.

In the words of Buckmaster Flags because this is New York City.

Hold up.

Hold the fuck up. I'm tired of her, man. I don't like her attitude. Her Stephanie from Full House looking ass. That's what she looks like.

I can't have you continue. You think.

You think that Daisy from the Real Housewives of New York City, the makeup artist of Martha Stewart, you think she looks like Stephanie from Full House?

Sure do. Okay. Okay.

Ray Josh, get on Patreon, please.

That's right.

So that you can see what I'm about to do. Go ahead, because I need to.

We need a side-by-side. Yes, that's right. I wish I knew the actress's name. I can't remember, but she looks like that actress. in the costume of Stephanie from Motherfucking Full House. That's what she looked like.

Jodie Sweden, okay.

Jodie Sweden, that's her name. Who also, she looks like a Jodie. Think about the way Jodie Foster's face features out. There's a Jodie look that Jodie wouldn't have. I love it. But yes, that's what she looked like. If she get on my nerves, always jumping and shit, ain't got nothing to do with her and having an attitude. And I'm just, I'm seeing... a profile be built. And this is why, even though I liked certain things about Daisy in the first couple of episodes, something told me, Dustin, back off for a second and just let the beat build. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Look at Daisy. We got to see her as Stephanie in the house back in the day. That's what she looked like. Sitting there with her hair pulled back and her chin out and shit.

Every time they get to calling her ass to the carpet about something, this is how Daisy be sitting. Every single time they start getting their ass and I'm tired of it. She's always hopping in shit. She jumped to Carol's defense prematurely in the Epstein Files conversation. She showed her ass about, first of all, she's been talking shit with Aaron about Erica's house who don't bother nobody, may I add. And she was being nasty and shitting on Erica's house. But then you crying because they said you have popcorn ceilings, quote unquote. Daisy's math ain't math into me.

And I know you see it too, Carlos. And while I appreciate her, now I'm going to put your producer hat on, right? Because although Daisy's personality and character traits are turning me off, they're turning on the story of the show, the heat of the show, the drama of the show. So you know me, I can be objective and appreciate a person that's doing their job. She's doing her job as a housewife, okay? No, she is. She is.

But now that we've gotten that shit out of the way, she's getting on my motherfucking nerves. And she contradicts herself. Talking about Psy was, what did she say, Psy? Too harsh? What did she say, Carlos?

Well, the thing is this. The thing is this. You know, obviously, there appear to be levels of microaggressions.

And Daisy was trying to get Psy to lower her tone, right?

So she was saying, like, lower your tone, right?

Um she did feel like sigh the word aggressive was used in this episode as it relates to sigh well.

Here's the thing daisy just was arguing with um jessel erica and aaron and them throwing herself in the middle of that again and she said um she jumped up in the middle of that like hold on hold on yelling over everybody talking about because i don't fuck around i was like Now that, to me, was way more aggressive, quote unquote, than anything Psy did.

And I want to quote, she did say, you're coming across too strong.

Too strong. That's what it was. Too strong. Coming across strong and shit in relation to a conversation that had nothing to do with her. You know, the digs that she made, which I kind of picked up on at the, what is the Cedar? At the Cedar dinner that they had. The dig she was taking that side. I picked up on all of that. But now it's all coming together to create a profile for her. Right. Those actions, the microaggressions, the pseudo defense of the Epstein of something related to the Epstein files, because I want to be clear, she wasn't defending by any means the shit in there. But they was talking about the Epstein files, which are full of the shit in there. So you're defending anything related

to it is suspect to me and looks weird. Just I don't know about Daisy. I think she might be a one trick pony. We don't need to talk to Martha on the phone no more. Unless Martha Stewart is going to be a friend of this show. We don't, we're over it. We don't give a fuck that you contour Martha Stewart's face and apply an eyelash. We don't give a fuck about none of that. Who else makeup you do? You know what I'm saying? Everybody, I'll have several friends who are professionals in the beauty industry. Carlos, you know, several of them yourself. These people are working, loving their craft and, and enjoying, um, you know, collaborating with A-list celebrities and having these once-in-a-lifetime experiences all the time.

So why is it still a big deal to you, Daisy? You got one client? I just, I don't know, Carlos. I'm just... Well, it was.

Playing the rent control department. Now, the thing is this.

Which, hold on, let's go there, because if we're going to talk about it, we're going to talk about it, right? Her crying about a real New Yorker, okay, popcorn stands and all, you tell everybody to kiss your motherfucking ass because your shit is rent controlled. And that's something that they cannot replicate. Okay. And they hate it every month when they write that, when they send that payment in.

So that's how you stand on that. You know, you're not shaking and rattled that a bunch of women you just fucking met are calling your house. Even if you knew Sia and cool like that, obviously. So these women who you're not that close to are talking about your ceiling. It is a popcorn ceiling. That is what those types of ceiling, the paint plaster shit on those ceilings that's designed like that. That's what that's called. It's not necessarily a slight, you know what I'm saying? It is something that a lot of older, you know, units have. So what?

Everything in New York is old as fuck. It's about it being renovated and you keeping it nice. Stand on it. But she is a person who is. Vain. She's a person who cares about what everybody else thinks about her. She's concerned about her image and other people how she's perceived, which is exactly why her go-to in that argument with Psy was, go ahead and nobody's going to like you because you care, Daisy, whether or not people like you or not, which is why your ass was chafed when they said that the fucking ceiling had popcorn on it. And you tried to laugh it off in the moment or blow it off, but she started basically crying. She was really fucked up about that popcorn ceiling. What is that indicative of to you, Carlos?

So the thing is this when it comes to Daisy. Like you, I like Daisy. She's great for the show.

Daisy, in the words of the millennials, she's clicking down badly, right?

Shout out Tiffany Pollard. You're clicking, but you're clicking down.

Thank you.

She started off as my favorite. Listen, you and I talked about this. My favorite is Erin.

I get it.

I get it. It's her show.

Okay, it's Erin's show. There's no reboot without Erin.

Erin is Giselle. Jessel is Karen. Does that put it in the frame for you? There you go.

If only I could spend the rest of my life with you recapping... I mean.

You're the only one I feel like gets it. Your bias only shows with Cyndia Bailey and Stacey Rush.

And Ebony K. Williams.

Yep.

She a housewife, so we got to include her. But yeah, that's it. I don't give a fuck when it comes to them, but everybody else, I'm going to tell the truth. You know what I'm saying?

Nothing like, I don't care about that. No, the thing is this. You're the only one who gets it. Thank you so much. Aaron is Giselle. Jessel is Karen. I mean, round of applause.

That's it. That puts it in terms people can grasp and understand. You know what I'm saying? Then you watch the show differently when you look at it through that framework, right? You watch it differently. We also have the dark horse of Erica. I don't want to get too far off your script, but I think I just feel like what Erica represents to this show is very sustainable. I feel like she can have a lengthy run as a housewife.

She got the money. So think Heather Dubrow. You always can come back because your life is always going to be interesting because you're rich beyond anyone's imagination. She looks youthful and beautiful, right?

She's so damn beautiful.

Dare I say, she stole the show and the cast photo. I've been watching her since that cast photo. I've been watching her since the cast photo when I read her bio. I've been I've been watching her because I feel like she's really got that. I don't even know how to articulate it. But there's a an element that that is is crucial to housewives having long careers in a housewives universe.

I feel like Erica's got it and I can see it early on. So that's it. But it's definitely Aaron Shaw and Jessel is Karen. Giselle and Karen, Esalen, Jared, Aaron and Jessel. That's what it is.

It's everything you're saying.

First of all, I will say this, and I want to be able to show the raindrops, okay, what you're talking about in terms of.

Stephanie from Full House.

Okay. So, here it is.

Like... Yeah.

He's sickening.

Yeah. To put it in... Yes.

Looking woman. Like, look at how she looks.

I wish I could zoom in and make this larger, but whatever. Like, she looks good. She looks amazing. She's a baddie.

She skews young. You know what I'm saying? She makes the show youthful in a way that's necessary. I think, again, speaking to her longevity, potential longevity on the show. Like, I don't know. I just, I see the value in Erica. I see exactly why they casted her.

And the thing you said, too, that is so true is, She has sustainability.

Brody. Brody agrees with us. Brody said, I watched that shit too. That's right.

No, I know. Brody, stop.

So the thing that I do like about her is the fact that she also is somebody that has the personality where she.

Doesn't have to do the most.

Yeah.

Like she doesn't have to do the most. And she allows herself to be present.

Like, even towards the end, which we'll get to that in a second, how she even was with Aaron.

Like, hey, are you okay?

I want to make sure you're good.

Like, she has that ability, like a Cynthia Bailey.

Yes.

Right?

Like, to be a gorgeous person on the outside, but also beautiful on the inside when it comes to how you're able to just be there for people. So I look at Erica, who I did hear in the reality streets that allegedly, allegedly, that they decided to make her a housewife at the end.

Oh, really? Okay. That would make sense. That would make sense. I can get it.

Yeah.

I did hear that they were sort of like, because like you echoed, she's not the most like.

You know. In your face with it.

In your face. She's not in your face, but the camera.

She's subtle. She's subtle. Yes.

And that cast needs a subtle person because once Cy got into Carol's butt, so getting back to that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Here's the thing with Carol. Carol is cool. She's a cool New York chick, right?

For real, for real.

Like, for real, for real. She's cool, right?

The thing is, I agree with you. I don't think, clearly, she had anything to do with Epstein.

No.

I don't think she was privy to it. I don't think she knows about it. But we have to take a step back into being in Carol's world. She is a part of the upper elite society in New York City.

She's embarrassed by it.

She's embarrassed by her association, whether it's big, middle school, or medium. She's embarrassed by the thought of it. And she has every right to have that embarrassment. The problem with Carol was she was unable to truly figure out how to tell her.

Truth without it coming across like you're hiding something. Exactly.

I don't think she was hiding anything. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that she was embarrassed and she just doesn't want to talk about it. But the one thing I would have done in that situation, I would have said, hey, Psy, look, what he did was abhorrent, disgusting, and foul.

Okay?

I don't hang out with people like that.

I would like for you to know if I knew then what I know now.

I mean, if I know... Yeah, if I knew.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's no question I would have not had any associations. Did we take photos? Listen, we've all have been in photographs with people on some children. We all have friends who have friends who have friends and we all just be like, hey, so... The only way it was a smoking gun for Carol is if Carol on those emails was orchestrating everything else.

And I think she was.

She wasn't smart enough with her strength because she's a journalist, but she wasn't smart enough.

To articulate that. And I think... And I'm going to call it out because... Listen, guys, it's obvious.

Because Psy is a woman of color, I think Carol was just intimidated and didn't know... I think Carol was so caught off guard by Psy.

Coming at her with hard questions.

Yeah.

That she didn't know how to take this black girl.

No.

And... That's obvious.

And I'm not saying Carol is anything.

I think I just.

No one can convince me that Carol is friends with.

Anyone like Psy.

Psy is Black, and I believe she's Puerto Rican, if I'm not mistaken. I know she's Latina as well, but I just don't think... I think Carol doesn't know how to have conversations like that, and that's why she called her having a colorful past, which we'll get to later, because what the fuck was that?

I also... I'm trying not to I'm trying not to do that with this show. Okay. We just, we just, I'm trying, but you can't help it when it's so blatant, like, and just evident. It's so evident. Right. Um, I don't think that Carol anticipated anyone interrogating her in the way that Psy did in response to her sharing with them, that she was horrified by her name being attached to the Epstein files when you Google search her name, right?

I think she expected people to kind of have a listening ear and not really ask a lot of questions and maybe talk shit behind her back, but then she would have an opportunity to prepare a response and respond in her time. I don't think she was anticipating a real-time, in-the-moment interrogation like she got from Psy. I just think it caught her off guard. I also think, because two things can be true, right? Even though I think she, I absolutely do not believe that she was attached to any of the sex crimes or the crimes in general presented in the Epstein files. I also think that her response was strategic and measured. And I think that she is a woman who was smart enough, as you said, she's a former journalist, smart enough and astute enough to

understand that appearing aloof to appearing shocked and aloof, there's a currency in that when it comes to how people perceive you and your relationship to a scandal. So her being like, especially as a white woman, we'll call it what it is, right? So her being like, oh, oh, do you think that? Are you saying that? You know, she started asking her those questions and stuff that there's a part of me that believes she was very well aware of what she was doing.

Yes, and.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you're trying to act shocked. You're leaning into the shock value in your... Exactly.

Are you suggesting that... Exactly.

As a way of letting the world know you didn't. And I think when it came to Daisy, Daisy is... Psy, one thing about me, I'm going to be fair. Now, I've been on your behind, rightfully so, like I have the other girls.

Daisy's not your friend.

No.

See, Daisy, but this is the one thing I'm trying to understand, and I appreciate the editors for flashbacking all the moments where Daisy was coming for a side that I always thought was unwarranted.

Mm-hmm.

Again, not to make this about that, but it is what happens.

It is what it is.

When you are a part of a cast, where there is only one woman of color, a part of the cast.

And then, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Jaisal is a woman of color, too, so I take that back. A Black woman. Okay.

So... And so is Pavit. Ha ha ha!

Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha!

Oh, so Erin said, that's what I heard from Jenna, who said that she told her friend that gossip. Anyway, go ahead, Carla.

Pump it, Equinox. I'll see y'all tomorrow. So the thing is this.

Pump it, hottie.

No, look, maybe not. Because Equinox is listening.

Okay, fine.

Here's the deal.

I felt like, and I hate to say this, and I hope I'm wrong, but I got to be honest.

I felt that Daisy... Who's white past... What is Daisy?

A flower. That's what she is. That's what she is.

Is Daisy Latina?

I'm not sure. It's something.

I don't know.

Because her name is like Daisy De La Rosa or Daisy something. What's her last name?

Nicole Daisy Toy. Let me see if I can find her race. My point is this. There is something... Okay, I'm sorry, Dustin. She's white.

Okay, fine.

Daisy being... She's a white woman.

Daisy looks at Psy like, I'm above you and I'm going to sun you. And I'm going to buy for a second that she was mad that Psy did not defend her for popcorn ceilings.

I don't buy that. I think when she.

In my opinion, how Daisy comes across to me in these past few episodes. She comes across as a woman who is friends with a black girl.

One-on-one, bitch, we good. Baby, all day long, bitch, all day.

But the moment her black girl is around the rest of the white women, I think Daisy, yes, baby. Because when she said, chill out, you're coming out too strong. And guys, I'm going to be honest, I, too, felt that Psy.

Was doing a lot.

I did feel that.

However, and I'm only basing this off of what Daisy said, if you're my girl since we were in our 20s, working at Scores, and I want you to have my back for popcorn ceilings, then I'm going to have your back when it comes to questioning.

I'm going to let you cook. I'm new here. You are three seasons in. You recommended me. I'm going to let you... In the words of Kenya Moore, who.

I'm not going to say who she told Dustin. off the record, Kenya Moore had a scene and somebody, a cast member, I'll text you, a cast member told her to stop.

And she called me pissed and was.

Like, I wanted to get my rocks off. I wanted to get my rocks off, and she deterred me. She changed the subject, and I could not do my job. My point is, let's side do her job.

Yeah. You're new here. You're new.

So to say that and interrupt her, and then, I don't know, me and Dustin are like this. I'm never going to allow anybody to talk about Dustin in front of me, and I'm damn sure I like Dustin's background.

Going to talk about him. So when she went and doubled down behind Sy's back, yeah, she was aggressive.

But that lets you know that her and Sy was never friends like that. They was cool at their job years ago. And then when they run into each other, they say hi. Number two, she was just, she always thought it should have been her. This is how it reads to me. I could have this all wrong, but it reads to me like she always thought it should have been her and she played nice enough with Sy to get the recommendation to get interviewed. I believe that She was one of those people who was literally chomping at the bit, pining to be on this show, but doing her best to be as subdued as possible as she could. And now that she's in, now that she's gotten in, she's trying to take up as much space as she feels like she's rightfully owed because it should

have been her all along. That's how it feels to me. And listen, that belted leather motorcycle jacket almost fooled me too in her cast photos and shit. I thought she was cool. and shit. I thought she was so cool.

I thought she was another race.

No shade. That's how fool we was. That's how hoodwink we've been and bamboozled. But it's turning out a little different with her. It's interesting that her and Aaron are finding camaraderie in the midst of these specific conflicts that are going on currently where Aaron is being exposed as someone who's been talking about them. why was Aaron even comfortable enough to say to Daisy, Jessel doesn't want me to say what I know about her and been knowing for over three years that'll destroy her family. She says all that, then we get this nugget from Sy. How do you feel, Carlos? This is one question I'm going to ask you. How do you feel, Carlos, about, because I understand that Jessel and Sy weren't close really until

this season, but how do you feel about Sigh, not telling Jessel until now that Aaron has said that.

Okay, I'm glad you asked.

And that's why I'm a fair employer opportunity expert.

Listen, all you girls can get it. I have no allegiance to any of y'all, child.

But I like all of y'all and I'm satisfied with this season, but I don't own y'all shit. Two things can't be true. Sigh, you fake as hell for that too, baby. That My thing is this. Don't tell me on Mad Day what another bitch said about me.

Bingo.

If me and you are so cool to the point where you can tell me about your separation.

And you told Aaron.

In front of me at the premiere at Jessel's party where Aaron was like, y'all cool?

Yeah, we're cool. You trust her? Yeah, I trust her. Aaron was like.

Aaron was like, oh, bitch.

All the stuff I said to you, got it.

She got that download in the moment. Thank you.

She said, I see where you're going with this. So, if I'm Jethro, I wouldn't trust Psy either because I don't like anybody. One thing about... Again, go back to Dustin. If Dustin heard anything about me.

Instantly. I.

Instantly. I can wait for you to go off your Zoom.

Yes, like, don't tell me about what this woman said about my husband because you're mad.

I will look at it differently.

You can't on Mad Day tell me. There's no justification for it. If you want to tease it, fine.

I'll drop a nugget.

However, we know Jesso is going to beg you off camera too because that's what these girls used to do before they got producers.

So then.

When Psy, which this made me so mad because, again, I'm going to go there. This whole episode should be called We're Going There.

We're Going There. Yeah.

Stop making it seem like you got to get some messy gay boy.

I'm going to call it out, Dustin.

And I didn't like how Psy was talking to him. My friends that are women don't speak to me like that, and I don't speak to them in a way that is disrespectful either. My women friends don't call me and say, you're going to fucking talk to me right now. My friends don't call me and say that. I don't call my women friends and disrespect them like that. So I didn't like how Cy was talking to him. I understand everybody's relationship looks different. No, no, no.

He's on payroll, and I've spoken to Glam.

Some, not all, some glam people feel like the lady talks to them crazy because they on payroll and they feel like you're beneath them.

I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. The way that people talk to people who perform functions that they deem subordinate to them or whatever, I look at that and I judge people by the way you speak to people, wait staff, people in the hospitality industry, the way you speak to people that work in those positions, those very necessary and essential positions. Because remember, when COVID happened, we found out what literal essential workers were, right? So put some respect on it. I don't like people that talk to people like that. And sometimes that shows up in the gay guy and the lady relationship, the configuration, the gay guy and the girl friendship. Sometimes you see that from the

women sometimes. And it's just ugly to me. I didn't like that. So I don't think necessarily their relationship is horrible. But like you said, he's on payroll. So I don't know.

And my thing is this, I, first of all, if I'm your friend, this is, this is why glam and I'm gonna keep it real with y'all too.

Some glam members are messy as fuck. Sorry. Y'all y'all are. That's the reason why.

I had a glam person recently tried to read me on, um, Instagram and, Because I was commenting on his boss.

Hey, NeNe. Me and NeNe hate NeNe.

We need to say boss in season four.

I'm not talking about NeNe.

And I said, who is this?

And I said, girl, you'll be fired next season.

But my point is, some glam members are messy, but some aren't.

That's really unprofessional, might I add.

Oh, absolutely.

You should have an invisible fence around you where you don't hear or see. And you're supposed to be hear no evil, see no evil when you work behind someone who the attention is on. You shouldn't even be jumping in there, getting in the mess. That's bringing negative conversation to your boss, your boss's brand. It's just completely unprofessional.

And anybody that gave a fuck enough about it to Dude, the great things that my friends that work in the beauty industry have done, travel the world, work with magazine, my friend Sir John is the cosmopolitan motherfucking beauty, whatever the fuck. When people give a fuck about their careers, it shows. And you don't do things like be messy and get in drama. As a beauty professional, it's unprofessional.

It's unprofessional. And I think his name was Chris, size makeup artist. She's not your friend either.

She sacrificed him.

She absolutely did for a moment to make her look good in front of Jessel. My friend, Dustin's friends, our girlfriends would never put us on the spot and put us in that predicament.

Never.

You call me on camera about some shit?

Never.

I'm going to say I'm not getting involved. And to Aaron, it's a good lesson for you too. Don't have glam be there when you're talking shit to your homegirl as a cast member. I thought that was so messed up. The thing that Chris said to you guys, let me just read it to y'all. She asked Chris if he said something despicable about Jessel's husband.

He said yes.

He says that Aaron said, I know she's not happy with her husband.

He's gay and she has.

Proof about how he goes to Equinox and be with guys. Just like he doesn't go to the gym. He has a dead bod, nor does he have an Equinox membership.

I think Jaisal had to let that one simmer for a minute, right? Because I don't think it really hit her. You know what I'm saying? She laughed it off and it was ridiculous if it's not true, right? But I don't think it really sat with her and registered that for three years, Erin has been holding this perspective on your husband and also talking to people about it. She we saw two times. So she said that shit to in front of Chris. She said that shit to Chris inside.

Then we saw her literally tell Daisy in scene under her breath. She doesn't want me to say what I know. And I've known for three years I've been holding this. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think it's really hits hit just so yet. And when it does, I think we in for some fireworks.

Oh, yeah.

Because what the fuck? If anybody, Abe look gayer than Puppet. You know Abe look like he's like.

I don't know nothing about that.

I'm not. I'm not. He's not. Obviously, he's not gay, right? We each know what he looks like. He looks like them pastors and them politicians. He look like a senator or something. They've been jacking off at the RNC and shit. You know what I'm saying? That's what he look like.

Not the one that Hunter Biden talks about. Yeah, that one.

Hunter Biden said, oh, y'all, this motherfucking gang at the RNC weekend. So, yes. But I'm just saying aesthetically, whatever. But listen, if I was Jessel, I will pull an Arianne Curry. And I would say, when? You heard, yeah, but who said it? When?

Who?

When?

Who?

When?

What? Yeah, but who told you that? When? I will pull me an Arianne Curry and get to the bottom of it if I was Jessel. And I hope she does that because Aaron knows she been running her mouth. You could tell by the way she was... I didn't say anything to Martha. Or Jenna. When she said Jenna's name, Aaron was like, okay, well, I haven't talked to Jenna, so I can say firmly I didn't say anything to Jenna.

But you was listening at first to see who the name was because you've been running your fucking mouth. Yeah.

So let's get into that. Let's get to that. So Aaron's in the hot seat because allegedly....

She told a friend of Jenna Lyons about Aaron's, I'm sorry, about Psy's separation because Psy said Jenna.

Lyons called her and was like, are you okay? And she was like, I don't know, you heard what happened in the news.

Jenna Lyons said, actually, bitch, I heard something else weeks ago and this ain't news to me.

Why she wasn't doing that when she was on the show, during her tenure on the show? This is the energy you should have had, Jenna. Because I was watching this like, look at Jenna Lyons acting like Chanel Ayan being messy from the other side. I was like, that's what I'm talking about. This is good housewifery. But why aren't you doing it? Why didn't you do it when you're on the show or whatever?

Yes, yes, yes, yes. No, and what's funny is for me.

Brody be feeling me.

No, Brody.

Brody be feeling me. We haven't seen him in a minute, Carlos. Can we see Brody? Damn, we ain't seen Brody.

Come here, Brody. Brody. Let's see what come. Come here, Brody. I would say Trevor.

Okay.

We want to see Brody, man. We need to check in.

Come here, Brody. Dustin wants to.

See you, Brody. Yes. There he is. What's up, Brody? What's up, Brody? We've been missing you. And I heard you over there fiddling me, Brody, so I already know you know what time it is. Brody, say hi. Hi. Hey, Brody.

Yeah, yeah.

That's right. We missed him. We ain't seen him in a minute, Carlos.

There you go.

Hey, Brody. All right, man.

So the thing is this, though. Jenna Lyons, the reason why the reboot, the re... You'll appreciate this.

The re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re. Right, right. Great interview, by the way. And shout out to Beth because she right. I did. And I'd do it again if she fuck up on the show. So whatever. That's why you see I'm telling the truth about her now. Like she's an incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible anchor cast member on Love and Marriage Huntsville. And she also was not at a point in time that we told the truth and we tell the truth now. She right.

That didn't bother me at all. I started laughing like I did. Mm-hmm. I did.

How about I say This guy, Justin Ross.

Shout out to Destiny. And she looked beautiful in y'all interview, Carlos. Y'all both look good. I was like, you know this black, they got on cream.

Cream.

Y'all niggas, y'all had on cream.

Unexpectedly. That's my Detroit girl.

Our Detroit girl. Yep.

So when she talked, okay, the reboot didn't work because those girls tried to I'm not going.

To be that person on camera, but behind me will be. Jenna Lyons is messy. This was her most interesting time on the show.

She wasn't even on it.

Jenna Lyons, most iconic moment from the show in her history of a housewife was in this episode because she got the party started, okay? When she revealed that, well, Aaron had told me, however, Aaron told somebody.

And that person told me. So Aaron... gets checked by it from Psy.

Aaron denies it. But Aaron, we saw you last week episode where you didn't know cameras were on you while you were mic'd talking shit about the state of the island and the house and how the house was shit. If you can do that to Daisy, I mean, to Erica, who's done nothing to you.

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

Done nothing to you it's plausible that you would tell somebody about size separation because.

You're a gossiper and you don't give a fuck about side you don't aaron don't give a fuck about side aaron is look at how aaron's um look at the the energy and the camaraderie that she has with daisy And the way she engages with Daisy compared to the distant, cold, not fully present way that she engages with everybody else. Jaisal, everybody else. But her and Daisy, boom, you can see she kind of dropped the veil a little bit when it comes to Daisy. That's how we know she's not being herself in her relationship with Sia. She don't give a fuck, which to me is a clear indicator that you have absolutely been running your goddamn mouth about Sia and her divorce to everybody who will listen. I got to deal with this bitch, Sia. You know, she's going

through a divorce. I know. I mean, I guess I got to go through that. You know she's been talking about her and shit behind her back this whole time, man. And I wish she would just stand on it. Well, Cy, I mean, I did. It's crazy that you're getting a divorce to me. I never thought about it. And I was shocked and talked to my friends and people that I trust. Sorry. You know what I'm saying? But you finna tell millions of people when this show comes on.

I would break the fourth wall. are we, what the fuck, why are we guarding the gates when it comes to me and what I'm sharing with my friends, you know what I'm saying? You are getting a divorce. You are, Livia. You just launched into it. I don't ever miss an opportunity there, but that's okay.

That's actually, you know what, I know you.

You would have fucked with her hard, but like, Lois, she's ranking high because if she would have said all of those things like, I said that, you are going through a divorce, I do think it's weird.

And I'm something.

I trust, Clearly, I can't trust him anymore. And that's that. And the thing is this, even Carol said, oh, I heard about that. It's the top of the town.

It's not a secret. And why are you embarrassed?

Why?

You're separated.

I would want everybody to know. I already told you, I think divorce is sheep. So I would want everybody to know. You know what I'm saying? So I don't understand. But again, You know, like she said, which sometimes I think people kind of... Anyway, but like she said, it affects our kids. I'm still thinking people use that excuse.

My kids, my kids, my kids. It affects my kids, which it does, though.

It actually doesn't. Listen, and I say this with kindness.

Your kids are more affected by you being on TV versus going through a separation.

Like, let's stop. If you're a sucker.

attention housewives and reality stars don't say on camera what my kids could be affected by it your kids are affected by you being on the show.

So how about you just don't say it at all because that's the elephant in the room they get to their friends are watching their mom on tv and they mama in the carpool lane the pta meetings is watching you too and then on your business.

And i think what i meant was like this is a sensitive subject that I don't want you to gossip about. And she should have said that instead of trying to attribute it to somebody disrespecting her kids in some way. Like, it's just, it doesn't equate to that. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't know. Psy be getting on my nerves sometimes, but I like Psy, so.

Yes, yes, yes.

This episode, I was definitely more team Psy. The end, Psy, you fucked up too.

You did. And, and, and, and, It wasn't what you thought it was. So on day eight must be fucking. What does he say? Cause of that.

I wrote it down.

Dustin, this is no shade. I had to rewind it, hit the closed caption. Cause I'm like, what did she say?

Cause I didn't get it, but I taught the reaction from the girls.

So Dustin, she said, I'm going to ask you the pressing question that's on threads.

Okay.

So size said, um, a must be fucking you so good in your mouth.

Cause it's big.

Um, And you're queefing in everyone's business. Now, I don't own a vagina or have one. When they say lady parts, what's queefing?

Your pussy farting. So like air coming out of your pussy while you're having sex. Sticking something up it or something like that. That's what that is. So your vagina. And I'm only saying that because they use the word. You know what I'm saying? Daisy.

Daisy.

Daisy is the one who used that word when she described what queefing is. So let's just use it, right? That's what it is. And it also was stupid.

Okay. The question is, was it a rehearsed read? Not that it comes to me. Obviously, that was a rehearsed read.

Yes. Yes. Psy's the type of person who would trip over her words in an off-the-dome, you know, verbal sparring war with somebody. She needs to be prepped. That's why she was able to enter that, you know, ring, so to speak, with Carol Radziwill and get in there because she was prepped. She had been debriefed. But if we're talking about just coming up with insults off the dome, which really this is one of the easiest casts to insult, you could do a clean sweep. Just line them up and go across. So I don't understand what the struggle is, but that was absolutely rehearsed and prepared. Fail fat for me, just like the pizza box joint that y'all love so much. But, you know... Yeah, sorry.

Okay, one last question for you.

Yes. Un pregunta para mi. I love speaking Spanish.

I love that you do.

So, I literally laughed out loud at this moment.

And I want more of these moments, Dustin, I laughed out loud.

So, Haley is trying to relate her John Gosling situation to the Epstein files. And Daisy said, no disrespect. You're the one who gives a life. And Haley said, you know what? I need my lashes done. So I'm not going to go there.

Yo, Haley funny as hell, man. Haley be having me dying. I see why they casted her. Haley is funny as hell. Funny. Also, daisy might have gotten on my nerves this episode but she simply said what we've all been thinking i'm so tired of hearing about this john gosling affair or whatever the fuck from daisy i have forgotten about him i have forgotten about that i have forgotten about all of it and you can't tell me one second i'm gonna say it you can't tell me for one second that that there was there was not um a moment of the celebrity, of the infamy, you know what I'm saying, that was attached to that moment that Kaylee didn't enjoy.

That's why she's bringing it up now. If she would have never said that she was a part of that, we would have been watching this show six episodes into the season, none the wiser. We would never know that about her. She looks different. So she ain't even, she's walking in this thing looking completely different. She looks like a different woman than she did back when she was dating him. We wouldn't have known unless she brought it up.

And it devalued her to me. She was better before I knew that. She's good enough on her own. She's full of personality and wit. I don't need to know that about her.

You know what's so interesting? I could not agree with you more.

Number one, I said this on this podcast about it. I'm like, look, guys, call me whatever. I'm not buying these tears. I'm not buying the concern.

You enjoyed it.

I'm not buying that. When my mother set me up and I didn't know any better, you were in your 20s.

Girl, bye.

It was adjacent to at that time, because this is me and Dustin's generation.

We were there. We were shooting in the gym.

Yes.

Was massively big.

Huge. They was getting so much goddamn money from TLC and other opportunities. Kate was on top of all that. She was guest hosting The View. All kind of shit until we found out about her and John having them problems and him being who he is. We didn't find out any of that. If they were literally on like Kardashian level of superstardom and for Jordan Wood, like they was up there. Like people that you see and talk about.

Yes.

Yes, and I'm not going to sit up here and like Daisy, not Daisy, Lord Jesus, that Hailey didn't like the attention.

Because why us tell us? Why tell us? We don't know. Even if somebody dug that up about you, so what? No news outlets would pick that up. Who cares? You know what I'm saying? Hailey wanted us to know that, and that's the only thing that detracted from her for me. I agree. To me, it means that you've been fame hungry and thirsty for lack of a better term for a very long time. That's what it looks like. And that coupled with the willingness to overshare about her personal life with her husband and her girlfriends or whatever. And the oversharing with the tit broke my nose section like that couple with that just equates to thirst to me.

Is she entertaining and great on the cast? Absolutely. And people be thirsty. You know what I'm saying? Some people have wanted to be celebrities for a long time. And that's just what it looks like. So I'm really taking that away from her.

But that's what I always say.

Dustin, as a producer, I always tell people, thirsty, great for reality television, not dehydration. The reason why Hailey works for reality TV, she's thirsty.

And it's not a bad thing. It's why she works.

But I do care way more about this lavender marriage because I guess we're never seeing your husband.

Mm-hmm.

So.

Neither is she. She at the pied-a-tay. Eating pee. Pushing pee. She at the pied-a-tay pushing pee. She ain't seeing that motherfucker either, Carlos. They might as well make him a shadow, too. You know what I'm saying, Carlos?

We've seen your husband and apparently you're not either. So I guess it's a win-win for the both of us. But Haley, I will give you this. That was a great bite to say. I want my lashes done, bitch.

Yeah, that's great. Excellent housewifery. Excellent.

And have that.

So listen, Dustin, this is the first of many recaps.

We're going to do. But so far.

Let the Raindrops know, what are your overall thoughts so far this season that the Raindrops would love to hear?

Love this new cast. I did appreciate Uba and Brynn from season one and season, not season one and season two, season 15 and season 14 and season 15. I did appreciate Uba and Brynn, but I love the way that this cast works. This show was casted perfectly this season. This literally works and it's so entertaining. I'm enjoying it.

I have my favorites. I love Erica. I love Jessel. You know what I'm saying? I'm fucking with Psy right now, rocking with her. And I like Aaron. So you know what I'm saying? It is what it is. I am enjoying this season. I think that it's been highly entertaining. The introduction of the Epstein files of it all in episode six was perfect timing because episode six and seven is when the valley starts to dip a little bit of interest or whatever things start wearing thin at that point.

So The producers are doing their job. The cast is doing their job. And it's equating to a very highly entertaining watch for me. So I love it so far.

I agree with you. I have no notes.

And Raindrops, Dustin, as we recap the Real Housewives of New York City.

You know it. You know it.

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I love you too, brother.

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That's right.

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Love you, brother.

Have a good one, man.

You too.

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