Sky Top, Friendships Flop | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

Hey, Raindrops.

On today's episode of Reality for the King, Alexis Jansen and I are back to discuss the season finale.

Of The Real Housewives of Orange County.

Now look, I did not wear a sky top in honor.

See?

Why didn't we do that?

I didn't think about it. I watched the episode.

Before this podcast we're taping.

I was not prepared. That's my excuse.

You're not going to get a SkyTop delivered in five minutes. You have to call, you know, like some people borrowed them from Gina Q, like on the cast. So you would have had to call her and have her hand deliver one to you.

Do you own any?

I had a very brief. relationship with sky.

Okay. For that brief one.

A brief relationship, because it was like all the girls were wearing it when I started housewives, but I just, I got over it really quick. But then, um, I, I, I do have a sky dress that I ordered recently that I love. I wore a boat, a boat day, one of our boat parties, like the opening day at our yacht club. So, but it was, it was super cute, but yeah. So sky, I mean, I'm telling you this many decades later, sky's still going.

It's definitely still going. And listen, it looks good. We have to get to the finale episode.

You got to turn your computer. Why are you with a side?

Am I on the side? I'm trying to like angle myself.

Raindrops, if you're listening, I keep telling you guys, subscribe to the YouTube.

Let me see. That's better.

You were like, I was like seeing half your head.

It was like this. Okay, is this better?

Yeah, that's way better. Okay.

Where are you?

You're not at home.

I'm at my other home. I know.

I know.

Okay.

Then I know. Your other home usually has something on the wall. So you're doing something.

That's my summer rental.

Oh God.

Can't keep track.

Okay.

Fine. I'm over it.

I'm at home though. Speaking of which, um, wait, I don't think we talk about this on the show.

It's okay. This is going to be one of my last times potting in this setting. We can say. We'll just say that.

It's a good thing.

Life changes. People make moves. People change. You know, I might be potting from a couch with a bunch of moving boxes or something in the back like this one day, but, you know, one of the times in the next three weeks. But there you go. It's all good.

It's good.

Well, listen, what's also going to be good is our season finale recap celebrating the 20 seasons of Orange County.

And I want to ask, I want to ask one thing and I can already tell which is, is I feel it. It's palpable through the laptop.

Lord Jesus.

I'm like, okay, I want to ask you what is, before we get into it, what is, what is your rating of the reunion or the, I'm sorry. Oh my gosh. What is your rating of the finale? One to 10.

Why are you being so messy at the beginning of our recap?

Because I need to pick up the energy somehow because I can palpably fill it through my laptop of what you're feeling right now. So I just want the raindrops to understand it also.

I'm trying to be a good steward.

Yes, continue.

So look, I got this book. It's called Citizen Camp.

Hold it up hold it up the woman who created the future okay well.

All right so this is my weekend reading is is it is the authorized kim kardashian autobiography i.

Gather that okay and what are your thoughts so i guess this is what you think about the actual finale because we're talking about kim kardashian and her book instead so i mean did kim pay you to do a plug on carlos king what the heck's going on right now.

Oh, my God. She needs to sponsor this episode, actually. Kim Kardashian, I'm giving you free press. And a bonus.

We will work for Carmella for $ 5, 000 instead of the $ 15, 000 or $ 20, 000 she was going to pay. But, Kim, we really could use, you know, a little, give us a fluff. Give us a little bonus.

Yes.

We plugged you. We're plugging you.

We plugged you, girl. We plugged you. Okay. And I love a plug.

Wink, wink.

So here we go. One to ten.

One to ten.

A one?

Carlos, they're never going to listen to you again. You have just exiled every single housewife off of this. You gave them a one. You could have given.

Them a little. Okay, I'm being silly.

Okay, be real.

A five.

Okay, that's fair.

That's fair.

That's what I would have said. I was going to do between a five and a six, maybe even a four and a six.

I was going to say four, but I gave it a five because.

You're being nice.

Okay, so I was thinking between a four and six. And the reason I say that is because there were elements of it that I really loved. And I did get teary-eyed because if you think about when Vicky got teary-eyed, the two decades of people's lives being on television, it started a national phenomenon. So it's like, I just, there's some...

you know, there's some feels that happen, but, um, so I was going to give it between a four and a six.

Well, let's, how about we start this podcast with the good stuff. So I would like to hear from you. Beautiful.

Number one, before we get into what you loved, um, that made you teary eyed. Um, why weren't you at the finale wearing a sky top?

Well, it would have been hard to put on a sky top, but I would have done it. I would have taken one for the team. But I think I'm very good friends with Vicky and Tamara. And I think everybody knew what happened at the last appearance that I made on the show and I, for the season. And I think it was just, it just didn't feel like, like honestly, Carlos, what, how would that have gone? How would that, I don't know. I mean, it would have brought more ratings probably, but at the same time, it's like, cause everyone wanted to see the basket case Alexis again.

But at the same time, like where I, I, I don't even know if I would have said yes, if they, if either one of them would have called me and asked, I don't think I would have said yes, just because of how uncomfortable I was and how I was put in the spotlight when I didn't even want to mic up at the last filming. So there you go. But I thought I see the things I loved about it was the nostalgia that they brought back. I thought the sky tops were brilliant. I did love some of the scenes, but as we go through, You'll see, because we need to talk about the scenes, I know. But you'll see why I was. It's a four here, and then it can go into a six here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What?

What?

Yeah, let's just start. No, what?

No, what was that?

I don't want to give my overall view until the end. I think that's fair.

I gave it a five. So at least the Raindrops know that you and I both agree.

It was a five.

And now we're going to recap the scenes. And I think in the end, we can talk about overall thoughts on it.

I will say this, though. I was shocked that we didn't get a reunion trailer.

I saw it.

Wait.

So on Peacock, they don't show it. I watch, see, I watched the Peacock version because it's also an extended version. Did you know that there's more shown on the version than on the cable TV? So I watched the Peacock version and there's a trailer and I wish that you would have seen it. Carlos, I heard that the reunion was a snooze fest, but they made the trailer look good, babe.

We might be disappointed, but. Because they showed all the good scenes on the trailer, but the trailer looked good. I'm just being, I'm objective. When we podcast, we have to be objective. And I'm being objective. The trailer for the first reunion looked good.

Why? Tamara jumps in the pool.

So they make the grotto. It's Vicky's backyard that they bring for the setting. Tamara jumps in the pool naked at the end of it. And they show it. Tamara jumps, takes her gown off. And jumps in the pool naked at the end of the... So Tammy Sue brings it every time, Carlos.

First of all, Jamie, why... Okay.

Why weren't they promoting the trailer online?

I'm so... That's a good point, though.

That's a good point because they always at least have it online and you get little snippets of it.

Oh, he just.

Jamie just sent it, Carlos. If you want to take a brief... I'll do it at the end.

But yeah, that's a little weird. And why isn't it on BravoTV.com?

I don't know. It was on Peacock. Unless I dreamt this last night in my sleep and made a mistake.

No.

I see it. So it's definitely up there. Okay.

So first of all, I want to give condolences to Shanna Bedore.

In the finale scene, she and.

The girls talked about their dog Archie. and what's going on with him. So I just wanted to start the episode by saying, you know, my condolences goes to Shannon and her girls when it comes to Archie as a doggy daddy myself. I can't imagine what they're going through. So I just wanted to start off by saying that.

Agreed. And it's, it's, I mean, you can't not have a heart for that because they are, dogs are your, if you're a dog or I know cats are too, I'm just not a cat lover, but like whatever, your pet becomes your family. They are your emotional support. They are your fun. They are the energy when you walk in the house. And then all of a sudden that energy's not there. It's like, no, it's, I.

It's tough. It's tough. It's tough.

You know, Carlos, I'm placing Biscuit in a new home. So he's a golden. She can have him.

Oh.

Yeah, you can add another golden to her. See, pay it forward. He's actually at a staycation right now with another family that wants him, but we, it's just too much. I can't, there's so much right now. And my kids that are, we're just, but he's an amazing dog and he can hold his water. He literally only pees twice a day. Like he does not even need to go four times a day like everyone else.

Dog ever. Look at you, you have such a good heart. That's why I love you so much.

Well, it's not a really good heart when I have to home another dog. I mean, I'm sad.

I'm just saying, it's just, you know.

But I'm willing to, you know, if she's lonely and needs another one for companion for Troy, Biscuit's available.

Yeah. Well, no, that's so sweet.

DM me, Shannon.

That's sweet. I love you.

Wait, you're blocked. You can't DM me. Nevermind.

DM Carlos and he'll let me know. Okay.

So shifting gears, Heather's mom, Carol says, came to visit. We now learn that Carol lives in Los Angeles. She moved to Los Angeles, but that Heather's son feels like now that grandma lives here, she doesn't come over to visit at all. And when Heather talked about that, she mentioned how she told her mom, like, even when it comes to her kid, he will just love to get a handwritten note from his grandmother.

And how she would never do it.

And this is tough because I don't like to go there when it comes to like the parents. But yeah, Heather's mom, beautiful woman, right? She rubs me the wrong way, if I'm being completely honest. And I'll list, this is my opinion based on what Heather has said about her mother.

And I'm basing this off of what Heather said.

To know my grandmothers, I had my biological, well, no, it's paternal grandmother, maternal grandmother. And I had a step-grandmother because my granddad got remarried. And I'll say to you like, gifts galore, like whatever you want, like how most grandmas are. And to know that her mother could not even write a handwritten note to her grandson upon request, I just felt like, well, that's a messed.

Up thing to do. And then when you.

Saw Heather try to talk to her about like, you know, listen, dad died and I want to make sure you and I pretty much have a relationship. And Her mother just seemed so dismissive towards her.

And I just.

It just left a really bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Heather's mom. Like, I don't want to see her on my TV screen.

Oh, gosh.

Oh, geez.

That... Oh, that.

The thing is... Look, I don't want to do this.

I have a job to do and I don't want to I don't want to see her to talk about her.

Right.

Like people think I may be tough on Heather. But one thing I will say, seeing who Heather's mom is, and I've said this before, but I do have a greater understanding about Heather's personality because Heather is cold.

She's ice cold.

And she thinks, but she thinks she's so warm and fuzzy because she said it several times. She's like, mom, I'm an emotional person. I'm just, she's not, to me, it's not that she's emotional where she's like, you know, you're right. She, she has a, a, a, a little bit of like of a wall. I feel like she always has a wall up that you can't just get through. Um, but I feel like you do see it. That's it's from her mom. I mean, she is, she is the product of her environment of being raised and she's probably, you know, in Heather's defense, she probably has broken down a little bit of that, you know, like, like what her mom bled to her. Heather did soften it a little bit to bleed to her kids, but her kids

would probably still say she's hard compared to, you know, like, I don't know. I just, the whole thing makes me so sad though, because it's like when you lose one parent, like she lost her dad and that was an emotional scene last year when they, she spread her ashes. And then you think, you know, mom's going to go sometime soon too, like in the next couple decades, you know, like you're at that end of the second part of their life. I just, I wish that like Heather was sitting there asking her mom, like, can we open up here?

Can we, can we go a little deeper? And her mom still was kind of like making jokes about it and like not, and she's like, I am emotional. I just don't show it, do it in front of you, Heather.

You know?

So that's, that's the reality of what Heather grew up with. And I think it was very real for Heather to even show that or even to be showcasing her mom at all. In my opinion, I'm like, you know, that shows that Heather's trying to grow a little bit and be a little bit more vulnerable because her mom was right when she said, you can't, you have a hard time making fun of yourself and like laughing at yourself, which I think you really have to do in life, you know, and like, just realize that you're not perfect and things aren't perfect and things are going to look bad and you can't let people know that things are bad.

But I, I feel like her mom has done a lot of, you know, putting up a certain appearance, um, and, and, But don't we all? I mean, if we really think about it, like anyone's Instagram is not really their real life. They look like they're frolicking in the fields and everything's great. And they've got all their kids and all their kids are fine. And nobody has a mess on them. And they're all beautiful and great and not mad or upset.

When behind the scenes, it took 25 shots because they're all crying, pulling hair, like needing a snack. Like, you know, the reality is not real on Instagram. But it makes me sad to think that Heather's mom did that their whole life, which is what I kind of got from that scene.

Yes.

And that's why I think in Heather's defense, she thinks she's warm and fuzzy compared to her mother.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. One billion percent. So she did, you know, like you got to break the cycle. Someone has to break the cycle in the family. So now hopefully Heather broke it enough that now her children can really, really, really break it with their kids. You know what I'm saying? Like the appearance that everything's so great all the time.

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I agree.

This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

Let's get back into the show.

And one thing I will always give Heather, she's a great mother. And her kids are like really, really amazing humans. And Heather Dubrow did a fantastic job raising her kids. And it shows in how her kids behave from what I've seen on camera. They're just like, they're not like these bratty, you know, privileged kids who, you know, I've seen on other television shows.

They have a good hit on their shoulder.

So like you said, my hope is that it started with Heather recognizing it and then her kids also seeing it and hopefully breaking down the generational barriers aspect of that personality and the fact that her son who is so grounded um it really just warmed my heart to because you know listen we live in a world where kids are so spoiled and everything's material and it really touched me when he said um i just want a handwritten.

Note i just thought like that was the nicest.

Thing the coolest thing yeah i loved it And I'm sad. I hope that like, I hope the grandma went back and watched this and now has written a card since then. You know, I hope that she saw like that, that her, you know, and when Heather said, this is the other part, Carlos, Heather said, I don't like that my son feels he's estranged from his grandmother. Like it's that deep. Like they're, they live in the same town and they're estranged. Like that's, it's like what, so he texts you and you don't text him back. Or like, I don't like estranged usually means like that you have cut off all ties with that person. So I was like, Wow.

Wow. Yeah. Life is short.

And in a blink of an eye, it's like people do die. You know, you have regrets from, I don't know.

I agree.

Anyway, my heart was all in on that scene for sure.

Mine too. Mine too.

Speaking of another heartfelt scene, Jen and Ryan had a conversation in regards to her son Grayson. who unfortunately has missed 88 assignments. And in this scene, it was so interesting to me because I want to see more of Brian and Jen's life on this show. Because remember how Ryan was seen through the eyes of Tamra and some of the other cast members in the audience as being like this sketchy guy. And based on this season and even last season, Ryan is a good man. And he loves Jen. He loves her children. And to hear him talk about the things they have to do together to get Grayson back on track. And it was interesting because when Jen said, oh, you're just adding more to my plate.

I was like, wait, wait a second.

Like, love you, Jen. And I'm not a parent.

And again, I'm only recapping the scene, but a mother's job is never over. Even when they turn 50 and you happen to be 80, right?

Like, You're a mother forever, right?

So to know that your child missed 88 assignments and all Ryan is saying is, what do we have to put in place to get this in order? And he said like, look, somebody has to be the disciplinarian. And she's like, all right, you can do that. And it's like, That's really not his job. And I do feel awful that Grayson's dad, his bio dad, isn't around because that's also the issue. But I was shocked that Jen was very hands off and wanting to course correct what's going on with Grayson.

So it's Dom who's missed the 88 assignments, by the way.

I'm sorry. It's okay.

I know everyone knows you were talking about Dom. Grayson got the speeding ticket. The reason you're saying his name because Ryan made the parallel comment about, well, Grayson got that speeding ticket and you said you were going to have, there was going to be consequences and there were zero. And Ryan was like, there was zero. Someone has to help be the disciplinarian in this. I do agree with that.

It's really, really hard to, as a step-parent to take on that role though. Like the children, you can, you can like when they're younger, like when they're five to eight, like when I was with my other fiance, we had, you know, our kids were little, they were five to, or yeah, five to 10 or 11, I think when we met back then. So, so we did have to discipline them as, as a step-parent or as a step, you know, we were, you know, together for five years.

So it was like, we did, we had a lot of times where we had to be that parent when they're a teenager and and you're coming in when they're a little bit older, it's really hard to be that disciplinarian for them. They have to trust you. They have to respect you. And it should be coming from the biological parent. But it's sometimes hard for the biological parent.

And I believe Ryan that he's like, you know, if Grayson got a speeding ticket and was not held to any kind of consequence, that needed to happen. A hundred percent. You know, whether it's, you know, you don't really have to ground your kids at this age. It's more of a talking to, and maybe he pays the fine. You know, it's like, that's going to hurt. That $ 700 is going to hurt coming out of your account because that's all you got. But like for Dominic or Dom, I don't know if his real name is Dom. The 88 assignment thing is like, wow, why aren't teachers reaching out when 20 assignments are missing? Why aren't, why aren't, because you can get onto the parent portal. Why aren't parents, why aren't,

why aren't you knowing at 20 assignments or 10, it gets all the way up to 88. Yeah, you better be in a detention at that point. I mean, that's your, you're going to have an F. You're going to flunk out of that great, that, that class. So I don't know, but it is so hard because I know Jen has got so much on her plate. She's got a lot of kids. She feels bad putting Ryan in the position.

You can see that she's like, but is this okay for you? Is it really okay for you? Or are you, you know, but then Ryan's answer in his confessional was so honest. And he's like, I don't even feel it. This is not a burden on me. This is like, because he's taken those kids in as his own. So, or as a step, you know, step, but you still love, you love your stepkids the same as you love, And.

They're not even married and he has taken such a responsibility.

They weren't even engaged when she moved in with all five kids into his house. They weren't even engaged. So that's a man. I'm telling you.

Yes.

And people can change. Maybe he was the first season that he came on. I read all that. I've heard all that too, that he was, you know, everyone's like, he's a player. He's this, he's that. Well, a player is a player until he meets the right person. So maybe he finally did. And whatever. I don't know. They seem, I'm just telling from my experience, because I go by my experience. every time John and I have ever been around them, it is not phony. They totally love each other.

They have a very deep respect for each other. They have fun together. They're fun to be with. Like I, I, whoever wants to judge that, whatever happened with him in the past, you can judge it. But when you live with, when you're with them, it's, they're good.

Yeah.

No, I think he's, um, first of all, I think he's so hot. Um, I love Ryan and his jacket.

I knew you were going to say that. Do you like his style?

I love his style. Oh, gosh.

Okay, so Ryan, here's the deal. If you ever decide to go the other way and Jen's not available, you can DM Carlos. He's available.

And I don't have five kids to take it.

Two dogs, Ryan. Much easier life. Two dogs. Four homes, on the road all the time, and two dogs. If you can handle it, you've got the man of your dreams.

Yeah. I'm an easy guy, honey. So listen, more ways than one. So take me as I am.

I love Ryan. And I just, like you said, he doesn't have to do it. And I just don't know too many men who's going to take on five kids.

I don't either.

I really don't. Like I found someone to take on three of my, my three, you know, like, I mean, it's a lot. He's already raised his kids and then he's taken on my three. Like they're his own. They talk all the time. Like he's yeah. It's amazing. So there are good men out there. Just saying.

No, they are. They are. They are. We got to find them. We got to find them. But no, Ryan's good. Ryan's good.

Is there another thing you want to talk about before I get to Vicky's party?

Not really.

Okay.

I'm trying to think. I don't think so.

I think you, you, So Vicky's Party, Sky Top, whatever.

What do you think of the Sky Tops?

Oh, I love it. Listen, I will say this. As a theme, I thought it was genius.

It's so nostalgic. I love it. I loved it.

I love the theme.

It's so OC. Super smart to do it that way. I could not have thought of a better way of culminating this moment of 20 years of OC.

So thought it was smart. They all look great. We have a lot of the former Housewives show up.

Not as many as I thought, though, Carlos.

I was going to say this.

Not as many.

There are so many. Why did they bring back so many one-hit wonders and not more of the ones that were on for a while? That's what was weird to me. I'm like, why are you laughing? This is not funny. I'm being serious.

This is, oh my God.

You always think that I'm making, you always think I'm throwing shade. Oh, we never got to that. We have to go back to the end question. We'll do that at the end. But I am not throwing shade. I'm just saying people don't want to see the one hit wonders. People want to see the people that actually were on for a couple seasons. You know, like, I don't know.

I was hoping to see a lot more to be honest.

I wanted to see Lori.

I know.

Okay.

Okay. I'm going to tell you this. I've reached out to Lori. Several of the other housewives have because we wanted her at some of the, like Tamara's thing. She is just done with the filming. I think she's just at a part of her life where she's just, and she looks amazing. I still bump into her and stuff and see her around town sometimes, but like, I love her.

Yeah.

I wish so much that we would have seen her. One million percent.

I love Lori.

It couldn't have been the same without Gina. Thank God they got Mama Gina.

Gina, I was happy she was there. My other favorite, Lynn Curtin.

Love her.

Love Lynn.

I just love her.

I was happy to see Lynn. Love Lynn. But yeah, I wanted... I'm laughing because... But... It was a lot of one season wonders.

It was.

Listen, like, I don't have to see.

Elizabeth Vargas again. Do you know what I mean? Like I saw her already. So that wasn't like, Ooh, you know?

Yeah.

But I, you just saw that, right? The note. Um, I, I just like, I like seeing her though. I think that she does bring her though. You know, I didn't watch that season. I'm sure you did, but I didn't watch the season she was on.

I watched four episodes of it and tuned out. Oh, okay.

Well, you're being real.

I can take it.

So, yeah, but there, I mean, there were so many that we could have, that could have been brought back. Maybe they were out of town. Maybe they, I don't know, but yeah, I was, I was really thinking it was going to be a lot more.

I was too.

I was too, but it wasn't, but listen, it's.

A little good. So. You said what?

Did you like the party that it was the season finale?

Yeah. I mean, sure.

Yeah.

Okay i would have loved it's funny if i if i was able to make a decision i would have had tamra's party as the season finale.

I have read that several places by the way you have yeah Some people are saying that. I'm sure Jamie and Spencer can give us the... That has been said out there because it was more... There was just drama. But here's my thing, Carlos, and I've said this from day one because this season has been so vanilla. Call me crazy, which I am. It's fine. But.

I feel they kept the season vanilla and they didn't want any cliffhangers because I think they don't know what the F they're going to do for next season. I think they were like, keep it all vanilla. Don't have any cliffhangers. Don't have the women mad at each other. Everybody's kumbaya. We're all best friends. We all love each other.

And then we're going to jump and go have a picnic and do our little jig. And I love you so much. And then, and then, and then they pull up the bios of what's happening with each woman at the end. And they're like, Emily has not spoken to Heather since we finished filming. And I'm like, all the kumbaya for what it's like, it's not real.

So I don't know.

Yeah, I know. We'll get to that, but I would have, I would have definitely made a little switcheroo, but Tamara's party to me was.

More fitting for a finale event. You want me to read it? I got my glasses on. Okay.

So shout out to Spencer. who got this excerpt from Vulture. Vulture is a, it's still a publication, but they also have an online website to where weekly they recap multiple Housewives shows. So this is an excerpt from Orange County. And I quote, I can't believe producers allow Tamara to do that. Real Housewives of Orange County had a long history of throwing a finale party where all the housewives from past seasons were invited. They should have done that again to celebrate 20 years. They should have spared no expense and tried to get everyone there. Not just Gina and Lizzie and Lynn Curtin. They should have paid Alexis and Gretchen and Lydia McLaughlin and Lori and Noella.

Oh!

Now, Noella was on only one season, though.

One season, but... She made an impact, though. She was interesting.

I did watch that season.

I did, too. And I actually liked it.

Yeah.

They should have gotten that girl, Sarah, who at the Bo-Off, Heather's Cake, Dr.

Moon, the driver of the family band, Don Goldberg. Don would have... Don! Don! Don would have been good.

By the way, I didn't read the Vulture one. This is amazing. They are so brilliant. Why weren't they calling the producers to tell them this?

This is a good one, but Don.

Everyone loves Dawn.

He continues. Get them all back, every single one of them. I would have been fine.

If this was a supersized episode of the.

Last 30 minutes where everyone in the same room again going over the greatest hits, giving this once great franchise the recognition it deserves. Instead, we got a gloopy looking hors d'oeuvres or sparse country club veranda. This isn't a celebration. It is a retirement party. Tamara's party also has some new drama. Thanks to Alexis showing.

Up, bitch.

Oh, my God.

Heather filling snub. And that John Jansen was there in Una's shoes she bought, bitch. Yeah.

Did it really say that or are you making that up?

No, I'm not.

You really read the whole thing? Oh my God, that is so funny.

You are bad at taking a compliment, Alexis. Just because people on.

Social media can be mean to you sometimes doesn't mean the whole world feels that way, honey.

I keep telling you that. I know, I know. It's the reason why our podcast episodes do extremely well. And people have said to me.

You know, I like Alexa on your podcast a whole lot more than what they showed on the show.

I'm like, yeah, her.

Defense, she's always said, y'all didn't get the full enchilada.

So my point is, Alexa's fucking Jansen. People love you. Oh, good.

Tama's party should have been the fucking finale. Yes.

Wow.

So you felt that too. That's not even the ones, I didn't even read anything that long. I just read a couple different places that it said they should have flopped those two parties. And I just thought, and they weren't like gloating about me or anything in these other ones. It was just small. It was just more like, Tamara's party had more.

I gotta stop you.

You have to learn how to take a compliment. The reason, and listen to me, baby. The reason why you read, even if your name wasn't mentioned, they're not saying Tamara's party should have been the finale because of fucking- CBD celebration at Alicia Vargas' home.

By the way, I didn't even get to freaking try a sip of that. By the way, Tamara, we've talked many times since then. Ship me some, bitch, because I didn't even get to.

Have one sip. Hello. And have them sponsor episode two, Tamara Judge. Thank you.

But my point is, they're saying it should have been the finale because what you gave to that moment And you need to own it and accept it and receive it, okay?

That's why they're saying it.

Okay, Dad, thank you. But here's the thing. Everybody also says I overreacted, which I did.

However.

Who cares?

It's good TV. The reason why... Emotion. The reason why the best.

Listen, I told you I love last season. I also will say this.

I agree with them, too.

I'm not the biggest fan of Gretchen based on things that I do believe she has done in the past.

And she hasn't apologized for it.

Isn't that interesting, though? That is interesting.

Exactly.

I thought that she would have made a public apology by now.

But if you want to bring her back to do fucking Pilates.

And yoga with Jen for her sexy line of fit wear, bring her ass back to the party. And let's see her and Tamara get into you, fucking see you next Tuesday.

Like, I want to see some shit.

And instead, I got to see fucking Gina talk to Heather about her fucking real estate and how she makes her money.

And you could tell Heather, and yes, I'm fast forwarding. Sorry.

Sorry.

Because.

So go ahead and fast forward.

Go ahead. The fact that Heather said, enough is enough, bitch.

You guys are trying to make drama happen at this boring ass finale at my expense. And when Heather said, look, bitch, Tamara said much worse than I did.

Get this bitch over here. And Tamara. Rew her under the bus. Down. Yeah. Rew her. Just, yeah, Chuck, it was a Chuck. It was. I think. Okay.

So caught up.

I lost it.

I was looking for it.

Okay.

So the party, Carlos, the only thing I have to say, and then we can talk positive the rest of it. When Vicky said, you guys, this is crazy. Why are we making a big deal about this? I can't even remember what they were all sitting around moaning about, but I thought, I thought of you first. I mean, it was like, literally I'm like, Carlos is going to have a heyday with this. But when Vicky said, I literally thought that when I was watching it, thank you. When Vicky goes, guys, this is crazy. What are we doing?

Like I knew in her mind, she's thinking, this sounds so stupid. This is not good TV. We look like fools. Like, can we just pick it up and move it? You know, can we do something else? And I read Vicky like a freaking book, you know, I remember what that was about, but all I know is it was like a five minute scene. It felt like five minutes. It's probably one and a half, but it's hard.

Carmela had the conversation.

No, it was more of when they were all kind of standing in that little group. There was almost all of them standing there.

Okay.

It was, but it was like, I, it was so just menial, like nothing that I, I was like, I agree with Vicky. They need to move on from this scene and actually cut it out, leave it on the chopping room floor, and not even show that scene.

But they did. Yeah. Okay.

What did you think about Gina trying to keep her orange ripe by confronting Heather Dubrow about the comment she made last week that Heather already apologized for And Gina brought up again for saying that, like actresses, she needs to really not spend her money without a gig backed up.

And then to see.

Heather throw Tamara under the bus was the funniest shit.

Well, that was.

I mean, I just got a workout doing that reenactment, throwing her under the bus.

That was fun.

Can we do that again? But I... I don't think that's even a big deal. I'm going to stick up for Heather and Tamara. I don't think them saying that was being mean to Gina at all. I think they were simply saying, we all need to be wise here. Even Andy Cohen himself, the creator of all of this, says, don't spend your housewives money because you, it's, it's not your job. It's not your salary. You've got to have something else because it's, it's, it comes and goes. He's think of how many franchises he's had that there's been the one hit wonders where it's like, you're, you're there for a minute and you're gone. it's so don't spend that money, put that money in the bank and have your other job that you're using. You know, I think

that Gina has been wise. I think they were grasping for anything at the finale to make something out of nothing. And I just thought, I, I don't think it's, I mean, I, I, I know Gina was just trying to make a little bit of a moment because it was kind of a boring episode. She was like, this can't be a boring episode, but you're right. They'd already apologized. They'd already moved past it.

You're it's, it's like that part's, gone and done, but we had to bring it back up because there was nothing else at the finale.

Yeah.

And I think that was my issue with the end because it was sort of like, let's, okay. So as a producer, let me say this, every finale you do, you have.

To wrap it up. You have to wrap up all the storylines. Right.

And because that was the last one hanging, I guess they had to say, what can we do to give something? And when you saw Heather frustrated, I think Heather was frustrated because she's like this again. This is not even something that's great to argue about.

And I've apologized. And I told my side about it, about how I'm just simply saying, save your, you know, don't spend every dime you had. I don't even think Heather, I don't think Heather meant that in a negative way at all.

I don't think so either.

And I don't think she was like, oh, I'm up here and you're down here. And so make sure you save your money. I think Heather was just being kind of like a, You know, like, hey, don't go thinking that you have all this money right now because things can come and go. But but then they're also not giving Gina credit for the businesswoman that she is and the fact that she is signing a prenup, which, you know, John and I didn't. But she's she's taking care of herself and her kids.

So she showed me that it's super smart.

And based on what they showed with Tamara's comment, Tamara's comment was basic real estate one on one. Don't spend all your money up front because in real estate, it goes up and it goes down. And that is actually a fact that you know when you take the fucking test.

Yeah.

And you can sell one house in a year or you can sell five or you can sell none. You can have a year and no one knows where this market's going right now. So it's like, I don't know. You've got to be, I just think both Tamara and Heather were trying to just be, the fact that, here's the deal though, Carlos, the fact that they had to take that the producers or whoever you want to say, whoever, even if it was the girls that decided to take it that far. But the fact that they had to take that little thing and make it into something is like, they've got to recast. They've got to get some- We'll get to that.

Then we're going to get to that too, again.

Got to get some real meat, Carlos. I don't want any more tofu. We need meat.

Well, hold on, girl. I eat tofu because I'm vegan.

Okay, well, I don't need another bean. I need some tofu. Sometimes you need a little bit more meat or tofu on the bone. You don't just want a bean.

How's that? I know. Okay.

Speaking of which, there was probably worse than that part with Tamra, Heather, and Gina.

This thing with Jen and Tamra. I like Jen.

What?

When Jen confronts Tamra like.

No, but what do you not like about it?

It was stupid.

It was grasping for straws. There's no meat of the bones. To really believe that Tamara Judge is befriending you to get back at Heather. That's a real issue?

Are you freaking kidding me right now? Shame on you. And Tamara's like, What? Well, you know, Emily and Gina said that. I just hope that is genuine. We share the room together. Wait, what? Like, that's when I lost my shit.

Because remember last week I said, if you're telling me that this is some drama that y'all want me to believe is genuinely concerning, Tamara has done nothing to Jen all season, but out of nowhere, huh, are you really my friend?

Is it genuine? Stop.

So, Carlos, it really goes back to the very beginning of the very first time this season on your podcast that you set on your podcast with me, this one, that you said, I'm so sick of the game of telephone. From that podcast on, was that number like five we did or something? It was like one of the first ones.

You were already sick of it. It kind of goes with that same sentiment of it's just like, That's why I'm saying we have to recast a little because we need some real meat on the bone. And you're right. That was a very, you know, but I liked how Tamara handled it because Tamara didn't play into it. And she just goes, I really just, I mean, but here's the thing. Don't all the women know by this point, they've all been on for multiple seasons except Carmela, that you're going to be friends at one moment and you're not going to be friendly or great friends at the next moment. And you just don't know. It goes like this.

That's the whole show. I feel like they all know that by now. So I don't, it was just, it was kind of one of those things where it was a, a scene where, and you know, the producers were probably telling them they need to have that hash that out and make sure that, make sure it is real. Is it real? I don't know, but it was, that's why it was kind of a snooze several times during this episode.

Yeah.

It, it, it, that, that part rubbed me the wrong way. I couldn't stand it. And then the last thing that actually happened first was I, Carmella and Vicky like this.

Okay.

This is real, but this is real.

But Alexis, they already discussed it.

Yeah, but they haven't. I think that they wanted to have some kind of closure for this finale party and it didn't happen. There's no closure. They're still the same. They still don't like each other. They're not going to get along. They should bring both back next season because there is a real beef there. Um, you know, where the other beefs are all being, you know, they're, they're making beef sticks instead of beef, you know, filet mignon.

But I think that like they, I think they should bring both back because they have some real issue with each other. And Vicky, I mean, she held to herself or her guns the whole season that she doesn't believe Carmela. She doesn't trust Carmela. She thinks Carmela's phony. She did all, she's stuck by it the entire season. So, um, maybe we'll see something different at the reunion. I don't know, but, but I like when there's an actual issue and not things where they're trying to create an issue out of nothing.

You're saying because, okay.

To your point, you're saying because we saw something tangible that was really big for the both of them when it was like at his height.

It's authentic.

Okay.

Not trying to play telephone to make something out of what it's not. It was, it's authentically a problem. They both don't like each other.

That's fair. That's fair. That's fair.

And even when Carmella said like, yeah, honestly, it's being friends. There's a big age difference anyway.

I'm fine.

She goes, there's quite a huge age gap anyway. But in my mind, I'm like, well, Carmela, if you do the math on all the other women, you're the youngest one. So yeah, there's an age gap with almost all of them. So it's not just Vicky. But it made me laugh because I was like, nice.

I do like her. I do like her.

It's just witty. It's witty.

It's funny.

It's not hurting anybody's livelihood. That's what makes this show good is when you're not going after their kids or their career and you're just doing digs that are fun and witty like that, you know?

Yeah.

It's a harmless dig.

It was harmless. It was harmless. The other thing, too, was....

But.

Yeah, no, no, no.

Meaning, going back to what you were saying about the recast, and I know we touched on this again last week, this episode was evident that you need a whole new cast.

I will say this.

Based on Beverly Hills casting Leah Remini and Tracy Tudor, getting rid of Amanda. You and I actually enjoyed Amanda, but you and I also said we're not mad that.

You guys got Leah Remedy and Tracy Tudor either.

I saw that to say I do want Carmella back, but I'm curious if she's going to be asked back.

Well, you know, we still have our little thing that we're going to do. We're going to do at the end of the reunion. I can't wait to see what both of us think about who's going to stay and who's going to go after Carmella. The two-part reunion. I did hear it's only two parts. Did you hear that?

Yes, which isn't great.

Well, I was thinking it was probably only going to be one, so I'm glad we... At least we got two. We might snooze through some. I might do five loads of laundry through them, but I mean... I'm saying it looked good, though. The reunion trailer, you got to go find it and watch it now, Carlos. Go to Peacock and fast forward to the end. It's on the end.

It looks good.

Okay.

And we see naked Tamra. Who's got a banging body?

Body's banging, girl.

I wish all of them, they all should have jumped in naked.

Naked and afraid. Girls Gone Wild.

Meets Housewives of Orange County reunion.

So listen, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. But two parts.

I don't... I have to see when was the last time OC got a two-part reunion.

It's been a minute.

Because it's been three always, huh?

You only get three, honey. I'll just say this.

Your season, when you were a friend of, they pretty much got three and a half parts.

Yeah.

I think that, like I said, the fact that there's only a two-part reunion goes to show that I might be correct in the fact that they wanted to keep the season kind of vanilla for whatever reason.

Okay.

Can't wait.

Let us know your thoughts on season 20.

I wish we got them sent to us early. I really want to see it. I hate the waiting. I hate waiting a week.

Oh, you mean the reunion?

Yes. I don't want to wait a week. I want it now. I'm an instant gratification person, okay?

I see. I see. I see. Listen, and the funny thing is this. They give good reunions. Alexis, we shall see, sister. We shall see.

I know.

That'd be great.

We're going to make it great no matter what.

We'll make it great.

We'll have fun no matter what.

We'll always have fun. You and I together, it's going to be fun.

This is our pact, a pinky promise right now. If it's a boring reunion, we are going to figure out something. Each of us has to bring a joke.

Okay.

If it's a boring reunion, we each have to bring a joke next week.

That's doable.

Okay. And it better be clever.

Honey, it's me. It's going to be clever. Absolutely, darling.

We have homework. We have homework to do.

And Raindrops, we give you all homework. Let us know your thoughts on the season 20 reunion. And look, let us know who you want back or not. Give us your list.

Yeah, especially by the last one, because two weeks from now will be the finale of the last reunion. So you and I are going to give our list and I'm going to see if it matches this or if I'm going to rewrite it. Yes.

And don't listen. I know you have, you're like moving. Don't lose that fucking list.

Oh no, I'm going to keep it inside my laptop like this so that it, yeah, my laptop goes everywhere in my handbag with me. So yeah, not losing it. Okay.

Awesome.

Perfect.

All right. Well, Alexis, I love you. Have a great weekend and I'll see you for the part one reunion, babes. Bye guys.

Bye baby.

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