How Trapped Emotions May Show Up as Physical Pain in Your Body featuring Dr. Bradley Nelson

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3:05 Thanks, Larry. Great to be here. Excited to have you eat. Kids, seven grandkids, one great grandchild. I know that's a lot hard to believe, even for me. Oh, man. Life is funny. What are the mixes of of so boys and girls that you've had? Well, we have four boys and four girls and, And then we've got one granddaughter and one great granddaughter, and the rest of them are boys.

3:36 Wow. So what's what's the order? Did you have four and four? Do every other one or what does that look like? Well, what my wife and I had, we had two girls, and then we had twin boys, and then we had two more boys, and then we had a girl, and that's seven. But about five years before I met my wife. We met and got married in 1981. In about five years before that, she had been dating a guy, got pregnant, had the baby, gave it up to a our church social services program, and it was adopted, and the baby was adopted. My wife never saw the baby and but kind of always wondered. She knew it was a girl.

4:24 Kind of always wondered where that baby went and what was going on with that girl and etc.. And so then about about 18 or 19 years ago, that daughter found my wife. And so then we became very connected with them. They live about four hours away. And so, so all this time we've been very connected with them. And then, that daughter's adoptive parents passed away, within like the last three and a half years or so.

4:52 And her brother, who was also adopted, also passed away. So she had no more immediate family anymore. And so, so a couple of years ago, we adopted her. She was 47. So I remember we did the, we did the court consultation about the adoption over zoom. And I think it was kind of maybe a new one for the judge was saying, now, are you guys are you sure that you want to do this?

5:19 You know, you're all adults. And so anyway, we adopted or kind of made it official. So now we have eight. Oh my gosh. I out of all the interviews I've ever done, I've never heard that. It's pretty unusual. This happened when she was 47. Yeah, we adopted her and she was about 47. Yeah 47. Holy cow. Yeah. Holy cow.

5:40 Man. Well, and she has five kids. Four boys and a girl. The, you know, we out of our seven that we had together, we have two grandkids, two boys. But, it's through her that we have the great grandchild, so that is absolutely wild, my friend. Yeah, that is quite. Yeah, it's a really great story. It is a great interview.

6:06 Her. Yeah. I, I'm so curious. I want to introduce you to the audience here in a minute, but I have a follow up question on that. So like just just out of curiosity, I would just love for you to just dig into, you know, that experience and like what that what that meant to you and your wife and what that meant to her.

6:22 Absolutely. Well, you know, when we were dating and she told me about this, that she had had this child and had given it up. You know, I, I had no problem about it. And but, you know, as time went on, she never really told anybody about it, because, of course, you know, back then, things weren't quite as open as they are now.

6:50 She had a certain amount of discomfort, shame, guilt, whatever, you know, sharing this with people. And so, our, our oldest daughters were teenagers and, and, they were talking to their mom once and said, you know, mom, we just really you'd never tell us anything about your past. We really just don't know anything about it. And she said, okay, well, here's something that you don't know.

7:10 You have a sister and but it, it it kind of left a hole in her heart. Really, missing this daughter that she had had. And, she just always wondered, you know, where that daughter was. And, and then, it was a really interesting. It would, it would be the most amazing hallmark movie. I think this the whole thing.

7:36 It's so interesting. I mean, some, some really amazing things happen to to put all the pieces together because it was a sealed adoption. She was never supposed to know who her parents were, but she ended up in Hawaii. That's where she was born. This daughter, her name is Sarah. She went to the hospital because, apparently she knew where she was born.

7:55 She wanted to see her original birth certificate. And so she went there. And when the nurse left the room, she was able to look at the birth certificate. And I don't know if she held it up to the light or whatever, but you know how you remember whiteout? Oh my gosh. Yeah. So, you know, whiteout would fade over time.

8:13 Oh yeah. The whiteout had faded enough to where she was able to read her mother's name through the whiteout, and so that that gave her a name. And then, and it was, were members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and and live in Utah and I'm from Montana, was from Wisconsin. But she had given up the baby to this program of the church.

8:37 It's called LDS Social Services. And so she knew there was that connection. And so she called she called BYU, Brigham Young University on the off chance that maybe my wife went to school there and left a message early in the morning. Well, around 9 a.m. when they started working, this older woman called her back and said, I'm so sorry.

8:59 We just don't give out that kind of information at all. There's nothing we can really do to help you. ET cetera. So, goodbye. Well, at the very end of the day, this girl who was on her first day at work had also gotten the message and had spent time researching this and called her back at the end of the day and said, oh, hi.

9:19 You left a message. I have that information for you. It's almost hard to hard to believe. And then the other crazy thing was, or this daughter, Sarah, was at Lake Powell on a on a houseboat with a bunch of other people. And, her best friend was there, and a connection was made, and it turned out that her best friend had a sister who lived in California, in the same town about two blocks away from us and was very, very close, was really one of my wife's best friends.

10:06 So think about, you know, the odds of that are so crazy. And so they were able to kind of put things together and yeah, it kind of just it just went that way. But it's been, it's been really an amazing, amazing journey to, to close that loop, you know, after all these years. I mean, we've been married almost half a century.

10:29 And all that happened really a half a century ago. She was born all those years ago, she just turned 50. And, and to, to be able for my wife to be able to close that loop and, and, close that open wound that was really there all those years. It's been just kind of an incredible thing. And really, I think it was really orchestrated from up above.

10:54 I don't think it could have happened the way that happened. It was just, pretty wild. That is absolutely unique. You know, I feel really compelled to share something personal with you if you're cool with that. Yeah. My mom and biological father were married pretty young, about 21, but they were married in 1971. They had me in 75, and they got divorced about nine months after I was born.

11:20 And then I was reunited with him when I was 12, really unexpectedly. It was not planned. And I won't go. I'll I'll spare the details because the audience has heard it. And then he, we were together for about six months, you know, hung out with him, his new family. I had a two year old half brother at the time.

11:36 His wife was pregnant with my youngest half brother. And then he split again, and it was just a bit too much for him in his early 30s, I think. And 18 years went by and this was 2005. I was in a coffee shop for a business meeting and who came walking in for his morning coffee, and my father. And that was 21 years ago, and we've been reunited. We've got a relationship now ever since. And those are very unique. I share that with you. Just because I'm like, wow, this is not really parallel, but it's similar in a way. Yeah, it's it's it's a really unique experience. I think for both the parents I know it is for my dad and then for me too, as, as his kid.

12:18 So yeah. Well, those are long expanses of time, you know, can go by. And those are. Those are significant. Yeah for sure man. Well thank you for sharing that. That is that is really unique. Really really unique. Thank you for sharing that. I want to introduce you to the to the audience here. You've got you've got quite a bio here and it's it's pretty awesome.

12:40 So I mean you've so, you know, Doctor Bradley Nelson, you spent decades helping people explore something that I think a lot of us, especially men, tend to overlook the connection between our emotional experiences, our beliefs and our physical well-being. Your Holistic Physician, a USA today bestselling author, the founder and CEO of Discovering Healing, and the creator of three healing systems known as the Emotion Code, the Body Code, and the Belief Code.

13:08 At the heart of your work is the idea that so many of us are carrying around unresolved emotional experiences from the past, sometimes from childhood, that may continue to influence how we think, feel, and show up in our own relationships. But here's honestly what I find most fascinating about your work is how this connects to fatherhood, how this connects to marriage, and the patterns that we unknowingly like pass on to our kids.

13:32 You've written several bestselling books, including The Emotion Code, The Body Code, and now you've teamed up with your wife, Jean to write your newest book, which is called The Heart Code. This explores emotional healing and the barriers that can keep us from experiencing deeper love and connection. I know we're going to dive into some pretty fascinating territory today, especially when it comes to emotional baggage, the beliefs that we carry, and how our past experiences can shape us as men, husbands, and fathers.

13:59 And like I said, you're the father of eight, you're the grandfather of seven, and now you have a great grandchild as well, which is pretty amazing. So, I'd love to actually just start off with, some things from your book. So since you've spent over a decade working with men who love their wives and children deeply, but struggle to show it, they get defensive.

14:24 Where I should say, we get defensive, we shut down, we withdraw, we become angry. Many of us grew up in homes. I know I did where he wasn't safe. Everything was really unpredictable. In your work, you describe something called the heart wall, and this is so I want to know exactly what is the heart wall? How does that develop, and how does that affect the man's ability to connect with his kids?

14:50 Well, the heart wall. Let me explain it first by explaining a little bit about emotional baggage. You know, we talk about emotional baggage. We've all heard that phrase before when I was in practice working with people. First of all, let me back up. I had been a computer programmer starting in the very early 1980s. And so when the computer revolution first happened, when the IBM PC, for example, was first introduced and so on, I was a programmer and I had a business called the Computer Tutor back then, and I'd go into people's businesses and I'd write the software so they could get some use out of their computer, because back then there was really no software in the very beginning for these machines. So when I when I became a doctor and I'm now working with patients day in and day out, I'm obsessed with the idea of getting to the underlying causes of people's issues. I really want to know. I really want to fix them, and I'm kind of OCD about that.

15:53 Back in those days. And, it began to dawn on me through some things that had happened that, that the subconscious mind that we talk about is essentially a computer, but it's unlike any computer that we're used to. It's almost like an alien computer. I mean, imagine what, you know, going aboard an alien spacecraft and nothing looks familiar.

16:19 Nothing looks like the interior of a jet cockpit of our modern era. That's kind of how the body is. You know, for example, if you've got a phone, you know, you've got a touch screen, you know, we're used to that. That's a computer. I'm sitting at my laptop. I've got a screen where I can see things. I've got a keyboard that's a computer. That's the kind of computer that we're used to. Well, the body is a computer, but it's a more advanced computer. It's so advanced that, it's, it's beyond our ability, I think, to fully comprehend. It has no screen to display messages for us. It has no keyboard. Instead what it does.

16:59 And I've learned this over all of these years working with people all over the world. The subconscious mind within us is a computer, but it's it communicates to us through the symptoms that we experience. And so, for example, if you're dealing with low back pain or you've got migraines or neck pain or some kind of physical pain. Those are messages from the subconscious mind that there's something else wrong.

17:28 The pain is just the it's like the the check engine light in your car that lights up, you know, the lights. Not the problem. The lights telling you about something else. Right. And that's how symptoms are. And every kind of symptom that we experience, whether it's an inability to connect with other people or dealing with depression or anxiety or phobias or panic attacks or PTSD or eating disorders, whatever it might be, those are all symptoms of something else going on.

17:57 And so I've spent my career figuring out what those other things are, what those underlying causes are that create those symptoms that we experience. And luckily, and this isn't something that I figured out myself, but but I've developed it to a very high degree. We can communicate with that internal computer. And there are different kinds of biofeedback that you can use.

18:17 We teach people a number of different forms of muscle testing, where, for example, it's just this simple. For example, if I were there with you, Larry, if you were to hold your arm parallel to the floor, and if I were to put one hand on the end of your arm, and if you were to make a true statement such as, my name is Larry, if I were to press down on your arm, you'd be able to resist me.

18:36 You'd be strong, because that's a true statement. However, if you were to say something that's not true or something that's incongruent, for example, if you were to say, my name is Bob, your internal computer knows that's not actually true, and your whole body would weaken just a little bit for a few seconds. And during that short interval, if I were to press down on your arm, you'd be weaker.

18:57 Now, of course, this phenomenon has been known about for a long, long time. And if you look at a light detector test, for example, it's actually reading physical signs when you're saying something that's incongruent, etc. or untrue, that's how that thing works. Well, what I found was there was one kind of imbalance that people had that was causing more symptoms for them than any other kind of imbalance put together.

19:27 And that was what I came to call their emotional baggage. So think about it this way, and I'll get to the heart wall right after this. To answer the question, but normally when we experience an emotion, well, first of all, let me say everything is energy. Our bodies are pure energy. You know, if you magnify your hand a million times, you're looking at a single atom.

19:49 You look inside the atom. There's nothing there. It's just an empty space and energies that are zipping around. Our bodies are pure energy. Everything in the universe, actually. If you talk to any physicists, they'll tell you. Well, yeah, that's right. Everything is actually pure energy. In fact, Einstein himself said there is no matter as such matter is just energy that's been slowed down.

20:08 It's vibration enough that we can actually touch it and feel it and see it and so on. So emotions are also energy. So every emotion that we experience has its own unique signature, its own unique frequency. So if you're feeling an emotion of anger, that's a different frequency, a different vibrational energy than an emotion of grief and so on.

20:31 So they're all different. And normally when we experience an emotion, which is a message coming out of the subconscious mind, normally what happens is we just kind of recognize the emotion, we acknowledge it, and we kind of just let it dissipate its energy and go away. And this happens to us every day. And it's been going on all of our lives.

20:53 But sometimes we don't deal with emotions correctly. Sometimes an emotion is coming up and we don't want to feel it. Maybe it's anger, and maybe we learned that anger is a really bad emotion. And so we we suppress that, maybe something happens and it's overwhelming. You know, suddenly you're in the middle of a divorce or your child has been injured, or you're a parent has died or some something intense has happened.

21:19 That emotional energy can also stick in the body. Sometimes things happen. An emotion comes up and we decide to take that emotion and run with it and fly off the handle. That cetera. And those are the events where, you know, when it's over were usually, you know, telling ourselves, wow, you know, I got to get a better hold of my emotions.

21:42 Any of those three circumstances, either bearing the emotion or having something happen, this overwhelming or making something overwhelming will result in the formation of what we call emotional baggage, or literally trapped emotions, emotional energies that are stuck in the body. And, the heart wall is this amazing phenomenon. I'll tell you what happened. My wife and I was in 1998, and I was supposed to speak at this conference, and my wife is there with me.

22:18 She wakes me up early this morning of the conference in the hotel room, and she tells me that she's had a dream. And as I'm trying to help her decipher this dream, suddenly I have what I can only describe as a waking vision, where suddenly the room that we're in is no longer there, and Sedum seeing this unbelievably beautiful hardwood floor.

22:39 I've never had anything like this happen, you know, since then or before then. This is a totally unique thing. And as I'm seeing this floor, I have this understanding that comes into my mind that my wife's heart is underneath this floor, and I have no idea what this means. And I told her what I was seeing and understanding.

23:01 She had no idea what it meant either. And so we asked for some help from up above, you know, prayed, ask God to help us. And then we started doing some testing on her, trying to get information out of her subconscious mind. And what we found was that, when she was two years old, she had begun to build a wall around her heart.

23:18 Subconsciously, she was born into a very volatile family. Her dad was kind of a rage holic. He was always raging about one thing or the other. Nobody knew when he was going to blow up. Nobody knew who he was going to blow up at. This was a daily thing for years and years. And so by the time she was two years old, she began to put up a wall around that heart, because otherwise.

23:39 Her heart was going to break for this situation. It was going on. And so, so that's what this was. Well, the price that she was paying for having this wall and what we found was that literally when we develop emotional baggage and when we feel like our heart is going to break at some point, and most of us have felt that you might have to go into childhood to remember.

24:04 But we've most of us have felt like our heart was going to break at some point. And what we believe now is that the ancient peoples were absolutely right. They believed the heart was the seat of the soul, the source of love and creativity and romance and all of that. In the in the West. We've never really given much credence to those ideas, just believing that they didn't have the kind of instruments we have today.

24:28 They were very poetic, you know, it was all just poetic license. But, but I believe they were absolutely right. And so when you feel like your heart's going to break, if somebody's really hurting you or you're really deep in grief, there's a physical sensation that you feel right there in the heart, and it can feel like your heart is going to break.

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27:10 But it sounds even deeper than that, because I think what you've done here, too, is that you've this is this seems like it's more really threefold. It's the body code. It's it's the hard code. It's the emotion code. And I'm curious about this. Like so we've talked about the heart wall. How do all these systems work with each other.

27:35 How do they maybe even work against each other. Well so yeah great question. So so what happens is we develop emotional baggage. And let me give you a, let me give you a story to illustrate perfect love stories. Yeah. So this is a story that sticks out of my mind. Many years ago it was in practice. This guy comes in and, he's got really severe low back pain.

28:01 You know, he's bouncing around between a nine and a ten on the pain scale. That only goes to ten. Right? And, he's talking about having to get surgery and so on. It's been going on for a while. And using this biofeedback method of muscle testing, I started asking some questions not of his conscious mind, because the conscious mind knows almost nothing.

28:21 The subconscious mind, that's where all the information is. And I asked if he had a trapped emotion that was contributing to this pain in his low back. And the answer was absolutely yes. And we used a chart in the emotion code. It looks like this. It's got 60 emotions on it. They're divided up into I don't know if you can see that or if it's really fuzzy.

28:43 Maybe right there again. Yeah, yeah. It's divided up into two columns and six rows. And so so you can actually ask the subconscious mind, you know, where this emotion is. This one was in column A row for the emotion was anger. And so I asked to do we need to know anything else about this. And the answer was yes a strong arm is yes.

29:07 Weak arm is no. And so I started trying to figure out when it happened and it had occurred. This emotion got stuck in his body about 20 years before. And he said, okay. He said, I know exactly what that is. And I said, really? He said that he was working for this company. And, he had been basically falsely accused of embezzling cooking the books, and he was completely innocent.

29:35 And there's no there's no anger quite like that of being wrongfully accused of something that's really, you know, very serious and you're absolutely innocent. And so he was just so mad about that. Well, that emotion of anger was so powerful it became trapped in his body. Specifically trapped went right to his low back, which is often, I found, connected to money issues.

29:59 And, so that emotional energy is there, like a ball, literally a ball of anger, right? Distorting the energy field in that area of his body all those years, 20 years, finally, it's gone on long enough that he's in severe pain constantly now. So I swiped a few times down the middle of his back, down the little. It's called the governing meridian that flows right in the middle of the back and goes over the top of the head and just used a magnet, probably at the time three times down that meridian.

30:30 And then I said, okay, walk around a little bit, let's see how it is now. And the pain was just completely, completely gone. And he kept bending over and twisting this way and that way and saying, where did it go? He couldn't find it. That's what he said. Where did it go? And it was totally gone. Now think about this, okay?

30:49 He's got this emotional energy from 20 years before. It's causing serious physical pain. When we release that emotion, the the suddenly that distorting force that the emotional energy is causing on his body, interfering with chemical reactions and blood flow and lymph flow and the flow of meridian energy, all that now suddenly is gone. That area can suddenly breathe again and the pain is gone.

31:16 And so this is not at all unusual. In fact, I found that about 90% of physical pain is caused by emotional baggage. And and in Doctor Sarnoff book. Right. I, I think that's the one the body keeps the score talks about. He kind of stumbled across the same thing. Absolutely true. Well, here's the interesting thing. About three days later, this guy comes back in for a follow up and he basically said, you know, my back pain is still gone.

31:45 He said, I still can't believe it. It's just kind of miraculous. But he said, you know, when I came in here, I had another problem going on that I did not tell you about. I did not share this with you. But he said, I need to share it with you now. He said, for as long as I can remember, I've basically been what you'd call a rage holic.

32:04 I'm always yelling at my wife and my kids and I got to watch the road rage. You know, things set me off easily, he said. I'm just kind of a live wire. But, he said, since you release that trapped emotion of anger from me, I feel really different. He said things that would have set me off before. Don't bother me now.

32:26 And he said, I just feel kind of relaxed and kind of peaceful, and I haven't felt this this way before. And he said, how did how did that work? Because it was only the one trapped emotion that I released the anger 20 years before. And at the time I said, well, I really I really don't know. But here's what we believe, okay?

32:47 This guy had this ball of energy, this invisible energy stuck in his low back, literally, if you could, if you could have stuck a probe into it that would measure emotional frequencies, it would have gone right to anger, right? But it's totally invisible. But when we release that, suddenly things shifted because, you know, during all those years when when a situation would present itself in his life where you might tend to feel the emotion of anger, he would feel it much more easily, much more readily, because part of his body is vibrating at that frequency of anger, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

33:22 So when we release that, things change and they can change instantly. With the heart wall, what we see is that it becomes much more difficult for people to really connect on a heart level. And so when you're when you have a heart wall, you end up kind of living in your head and you can go through all the motions and you can live life how you think it should be.

33:46 But you're often left wondering, why don't I really feel love? Why don't I really feel connected, like I should feel? It makes it much more difficult to really connect on a hard to heart level. It also makes it, Easier for, for you to have to deal with emotions, that are make that are making up that wall. Depression. The worst cases of depression that I've seen. I've been doing this now for 38 years. I've seen people suicidally depressed. I've seen them completely turn around in a matter of days when that wall is removed from around their heart.

34:24 I've seen people fall in love who never, ever thought they would. People who even it had to ages. In fact, I think it was probably one of the very next people that I worked on, that had this heart wall phenomenon. It was a woman that came in to see me for neck pain. And her neck pain was about a nine on a 0 to 10 scale, and she'd seen a couple of other doctors for it.

34:47 And as I was talking with her and taking her history and everything, she told me that she was 38 years old. She was a nurse, and she was single and she had not dated in eight years, and she was never going to ever date again. She was going to live the rest of her life as a single woman and die single.

35:06 And she was dead serious. And I said, well, how did you arrive at that, you know, conclusion in your life? And she said that eight years before, she was really deeply in love with this guy that dumped her and broke her heart. And that was it. No more dating. So I tested her and found that during that breakup from eight years before, she had built a wall around her heart, the emotions from the breakup had gone right to the heart, which at the time she probably felt like was going to break.

35:35 And they built this wall. So now, for the next eight years, she's living with this wall. So check this out. Larry and I, I swear this is true. I there were three emotions making up this wall. I cleared those three emotions. Probably took about ten minutes. When I cleared the last one, the pain that she'd come in with suddenly was just completely gone.

35:56 She left the office. So grateful. That's what she'd come in for. That was the symptom, right? The neck pain. But the cause was the wall around her heart that she's had for eight years. Well, she didn't come back for three months. And I'll always remember when she walked into my waiting room and I saw her standing there and I said, hey, I remembered her really well because I kind of always wondered what had happened to her.

36:20 And I said, hey, what's going on? She said, you know, my neck has been fine since I was here. But she said, you know, you cleared that heart well for me, and that really works, because she said, about two weeks after I was here, I found out my childhood sweetheart has been living right around the corner for me for almost eight years and were dating, and we were in love.

36:37 And I think he's going to ask me to marry him. I thought, wow, what a shift. But that's what can happen when this wall is taken down. And Larry, what we have found is that about 93% of people have put up a wall like this in the world. Doesn't seem to matter where we travel, and we travel all over the world and teach.

36:57 It seems to be about the same number. So a little better than nine out of ten people have a wall and don't even know it. I mean, they have no idea. They may have physical symptoms from it. You know, shoulder pain, sometimes chest heaviness, sometimes chest pain, neck pain. You know, upper traps. You know, those get very tight when you have a wall like this.

37:16 And, when the wall is taken down, it's not unusual at all for people to fall in love who never thought they would. But also it has to do with creativity. The best creative ideas that a person will ever have will not come from this brain. They will come from the brain in the heart. And there is a little brain in the heart they've known about it for, gosh, probably by now 150 years.

37:40 But, it wasn't until I think 1991 they published a study where they, they actually looked at the communications between the brain and the heart. They were expecting that most of the communications were going to be going from the brain in the head to the heart brain, and it was just the opposite. Most of the communications are going from the heart to the brain, indicating that the brains in our heads are obeying the messages being sent by the brain that is in our hearts.

38:03 Pretty interesting. That's a really fascinating story. Both of them are, I'd love to. I'd love to ask some a question, and I want to be respectful with it. So this is, this is. And by the way, this comes out of sheer curiosity. No disrespect for what you do. Absolutely. So I, I don't have the credentials. You do.

38:29 But I got my degree in sports, met with a minor nutrition. Then I spent 20 years in the O.R. in medical device, and 13 of those years were in spine. So, it's fascinating to me because me personally, I've been through a lot of emotional trauma. But I've, you know, I've also had back pain that has come and gone, that kind of thing.

38:52 I remember I think it was probably like ten years ago. I had like this debilitating lower back, like sciatica thing going on. And, you know, I went through I went through therapy, not physical therapy. I went through therapy and that kind of thing. And I just always tacked it up as like, well, you know, it was just just lower back pain, you know, that kind of thing.

39:09 And then I found through stretching my quads, my hamstrings, my hip flexors, all that, like really helped with that pain. And I knock on wood. I haven't felt the pain in probably ten plus years. But you know, I've been in probably, I don't know, call it anywhere from 1000 to 2000 spine surgeries over those years. And I've seen the X-rays, I've seen the MRIs of patients who come in.

39:31 And you can clearly see, you know, like L1 and I'm sorry, L4 and L5 or there's there's no space in the disc whatsoever, the nerves coming out of the framings or they're, they're compressed, causing tremendous pain. And you know, I'm curious like for for people like that who obviously have you can see it on MRI, you can see it on X-ray like, oh they have a they have a compression.

39:57 They have, you know, the C joint. I'm sorry. The s I, you know, nerve is compressed which is causing lower back and and radiating pain down the leg. You know, could the story I'm telling myself is I don't know if that could be fixed with what you're talking about, but can it like. I don't know what I don't know.

40:14 You've seen more cases than I have. I've seen the other side of this where I've seen more of the surgical intervention, where physical therapy and all this other stuff wasn't working. They had to get surgical intervention. But when you're telling me that 90% of this type of pain is caused by emotional baggage and can be cured, I'm just telling you, I've seen quite the opposite.

40:33 So. But again, I don't know what I don't know, but I'm sure you've probably had this question before. Yeah, well, you know, you asked me a little while ago about the, the connections between these different methodologies, the emotion code, which is part of this larger system called the body code. If we talk, for example, about low back pain, one of the fascinating things that that I have found that actually also correlates with, with, with acupuncture, okay, is that there are connections between the organs and the glands and the muscles of the body, and it's the muscles that hold everything together.

41:14 When I was in practice, what I found and I worked on a lot of low back patients, I hope over all the years that I was in practice, about 18 years, I only I think I only had to send two out for surgical intervention. The rest we were able to get. Well. Now, what was the key there? Well, see, the thing is you can look at the spine, for example, is just a static thing, which is how Western medicine looks at it.

41:37 Western medicine does not take into account really what's going on with the muscle balance so much. And there's a whole nother level to it. And the simplest way to describe this is if you think of, think of the organs in the glands in the body as having an electrical circuit, okay. If you overload any organ in the body or gland, you can essentially blow that circuit or pop that breaker just like in your house.

42:05 Right? You plug in too many blow dryers in the bathroom and boom, suddenly the light goes out. You got to go out to the panel in the garage and flip the switch. In a way, the body is very similar. And so, for example, if we talk about the low back, the muscles that are supporting the low back, the psoas muscles especially that are there, the tenderloin muscles in the cut of beef, the same muscles, they're kind of round.

42:33 They support the low back. They are connected energetically to the kidneys. And what I found in practice was that some I could I could flip these switches, I could turn on an organ and pain would immediately dissipate or relieve to a great degree, because suddenly the muscles are turned back on and balanced. Right. And but then as time went on, I found that there were times when I could turn on an organ like a kidney and balance it, and then maybe 30s later it would blow out again.

43:11 And that led me to that was one of the things that led me to learning about emotional energies, because they are the number one reason why we have imbalances in organs and glands. Okay. So. Let's see if I can give you a good example of that. Well, for example, there was a lady that came into me once who had pain in both knees. It was quite severe. She been to her doctor? The doctor diagnosed her with overuse. Right. And I remember she told me, she said she was kind of overweight. She said, Doctor Nelson, you got to help me because my knees are killing me.

43:51 She said, I can't Jazzercise. Jazzercise was I don't know if that's still even a thing, but this was, you know, probably dating a certain time frame. And she said, if I can't Jazzercise, I can't lose weight. And if I can't lose weight, I'm going to lose my husband. And so I thought, okay, well no pressure. And what I found was really interesting, in the body and in the In the body code book, we go into a lot of this detail, but, there are when you have paired organs like the kidneys, lungs.

44:25 So on the left sides are the main and the right side is the backup. And so too much stress for too long will tend to short out the left adrenal gland, which sits right on top of the left kidney. And energetically that gland is connected to the calf muscles. Okay, on that side along with a couple of other muscles.

44:46 And so I found an imbalance in the adrenal gland, corrected that there was some emotional energy trapped there. And I said, okay, try walking. So he tries walking. Left knee pain is gone, right? Because now those muscles have been turned on. Were before they weren't. So now we have the right knee left and the right right knee pain is almost always connected to gallbladder, because the gallbladder connects energetically to a little muscle in the back of the right knee, the publicist muscle.

45:14 And so again, some other emotional baggage from the gallbladder cleared. That and I had her walk. And, you know, no more pain. So, you know, it's it's, it's really interesting. I remember I had a, A fun story is a there was a clinic that sent their office manager to see me. They've been working on this woman for a year. She had carpal tunnel syndrome now, right side, and then able to help her. So they finally sent her over to see me. And what I found was, she had she had emotional baggage sorting out her gallbladder.

45:55 And that was connected to this muscle in the shoulder and just cleared that the emotional energy and sent her back fixed. And it just took one visit, you know, so there's, you know, Western medicine is great and does amazing, often really miraculous things. But there is another side of things now. And definitely sometimes people need surgery. But of course, you know, the, the AMA did a study, I think it was back in the 70s.

46:22 And back then they found that most back surgeries could be prevented. So anyway, I think it's great that we're living in a time when if you need surgery, you can get it. But there are things that can be done that, that most people are absolutely, totally unaware of. There are ways to tune the body and balance things that are virtually unknown, but that I'm trying to get out to the world.

46:48 That's why I've written these books. In fact, these books are all how to books so people can learn how to do this themselves because, that's that's the mission. That's really cool. I mean, obviously your practice has got proof to this. I was just more curious just because, like I said, I've spent two decades, you know, seeing MRI, seeing CT scans, being in surgery, and I didn't know if, can those people be helped, like when you actually clearly see something like on an MRI where it's like, okay, clearly this is a compressed there's there's no disk space right between like call it like L4, L5, no disk space.

47:26 You know, that that particular nerve foramen is compressing the the nerve. This is obviously causing the issue can. So have you seen success with just patients like that? I have seen people get out of pain that I wouldn't have imagined could be out of pain. I've seen people who who, you know, thought for sure they needed surgery.

47:49 It's a fascinating thing. I mean, I think that, I think, of course, it depends on the person. And there are, there are cases that just go too far. But what I have actually learned is that some, you know, is to never say never because the body, you know, can surprise you. I, I have seen things happen that I never in my wildest dreams could have imagined happening.

48:13 For example, I worked with a patient once that had been completely incontinent for, I think, ten years, and I worked. I did a session on that patient. I wasn't even trying to address their problem. But, within 24 hours, all their function came completely back. So I couldn't have predicted that I never in my wildest dreams would have.

48:37 You know, I never would have told them that could happen. But I've seen lots of things happen. Yeah, it's not always explainable. That's really interesting. Yeah, I I've, I'm like, I'm one of those people where I'm like a data geek. Like I just love looking at cases and data and success and problems and how they get overcome. But I appreciate you sharing your experience.

49:01 It's it's it's unique for sure and really interesting. Do you mind if we just move a little bit more over to like dads and some of this like heart wall. Yeah. Go for it. You know, so let there's a lot of men out there who come to my table for help, you know, in either a group setting or one on one setting.

49:23 And one thing I've noticed is that a lot of guys grew up, you know, with a lot of a lot of anger, a lot of criticism, a lot of emotional neglect, even abuse where that was kind of normalized. They promised themselves that they're going to be the person that breaks this generational pattern, right? They're never going to become their dad or their mom how they grew up.

49:46 But yet years later, they hear those words coming out of their own mouth, right? The things that they have decided to break. Yeah. And I'm curious from you, like, why do you believe these emotional patterns repeat themselves? And even if a guy doesn't want to, even if a guy doesn't want to. And most importantly, like in your practice and everything that you've seen, like how can men or how have you seen men break that cycle and maybe using these systems?

50:16 Yeah, well, that's such a fantastic question because really we're we're in an age now, a time of the world when we've been given tools to be able to do exactly this, to break these cycles and these cycles sometimes, you know, go back since, you know, time out of mind. I mean, it might be 100 generations that a certain patterns been going on in a certain family and so on.

50:39 Well, great, great grandpa was this way and so was grandpa, and so was dad. And I guess I'm that way too. And people can feel out of control, like they have no ability to really influence what's happening. And they end up. Yes. Realizing, gee, I am just like my dad. I swore I'd never be that way, but I don't really know how to do it any other way.

51:00 What we have to recognize is the unseen influence of emotional baggage that we are carrying in our lives. And what that influence does is it pushes us in certain directions that we maybe would rather not go. When you have a when you have a split second reaction to something and an emotion comes up for you, that is a definite indicator that there is emotional energy there trapped in your body.

51:30 Now, some of that emotional energy is from your own life and from the things that you've experienced, the grief that you've been through. You know, the trauma, the abuse, the times when you used to cry yourself to sleep at night as a kid. But some of that energy we have found is not even from your own lifespan. Because what we now know is that at the moment of conception, we receive emotional energy that's passing down the line.

52:02 Now, this is a quantum phenomenon. Scientists have proven this. They know that this happens. They've documented changes in DNA when a person is is traumatized in an intense way. Changes happen in the DNA, and they've also mapped those changes to their posterity. One of the very first studies that was done on this was, I can't remember the name of the school, but it was back east.

52:31 They did a study, they were studying mice and inheritance. And, they found that when mice were traumatized, they would pass on the traumatized behaviors to their offspring. Right. And they were thinking, well, there's got to be some mechanism, you know, they must be teaching their offspring mice to avoid this part of the maze or whatever. And then what they did is they took sperm from mice that had been traumatized, the sperm to the other side of the campus, and impregnated female mice that had never been traumatized in any way.

53:09 And their offspring exhibited the same trauma avoidance behaviors. Right. Really interesting. There was a book written a number of years ago about the the grandchildren of people who survived the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, and they found that it was a similar situation. These people had changes in their DNA. They had changes in their immune systems. They were more susceptible to diseases than the normal population and so on.

53:37 Well, that's one of the things that you can find and remove with the emotion code what it's really all about. Larry, in my in my mind, in my experience, it's about getting back to the person that you were intended to be. When we come into this world, for the most part, we're kind of a blank slate. Yes, we have some inherited emotional baggage.

53:59 All of us do. But then we start experiencing life and things don't go like we'd like them to. And we have to experience all these negative things. And what people have often said to me is that when they get rid of enough of their emotional baggage, enough of their trapped emotions, and get rid of their heart, wall it it's almost like stepping out of this old suit that you've been wearing into this new state of being that is, that is much, much closer to who you were kind of intended to be, who you really actually are.

54:32 And and again, if you've been abused in any way or you've been through anything traumatic, you're one of the you're in that 90% of people that's got this invisible wall going up this wall around their heart. And, when you have that wall, it's not a conscious thing, but it's going to interfere with your ability to really connect with other people.

55:00 And I'll tell you, Larry, what I really believe, and that is that some this life is really all about learning the art of unconditional love. I think when people die and they go to the other side, they're never asked how much money they made or how big of a house they lived in. Instead, they're often asked about their capacity to love others.

55:21 And when you get rid of enough of that emotional baggage, especially that baggage that's wrapped around the heart, what happens is your ability to love others increases. And, you know, people sometimes die and go to the other side. And one of the things that they say when they come back oftentimes is that for the first time, sometimes in their entire life, when they got to the other side of the veil after death, they're surrounded with unconditional love and they feel totally accepted right now as dads.

55:56 You know, one of the challenges that, one of the challenges that I had as a dad was, you know, I didn't realize I was doing it until years later, but I was I was kind of exhibiting conditional love towards my kids, trying to influence their behavior by giving love or withholding love from them. Right. And, and that's something that just kind of happened naturally.

56:22 It wasn't anything I intended. But, you know, I, I went through that. My kids experienced that. Now I love them unconditionally and I'm not perfect, but, a lot better than I used to be. But I think that that's really what it's about. It's really about unconditional love, accepting things that you can't change. And, you know, it's like the a prayer, having the wisdom to know the difference, etc..

56:46 Right? That's really good, man. That is really, really good. What happened we talked about that you think would be meaningful to end with. The reason I ask you that is because my mind is going in like ten different directions of things that I could ask you, but I want to pinpoint something that you have found this most important and meaningful for men to know.

57:13 Well, you know, I'll tell you something. I, I believe that as fathers, we are blessed with this in this incredible gift of of fatherhood. Right. And it's all about learning how to love. It's all about learning, you know, the art of kindness and patience. Right. And, we have as our example, I believe, you know, the the God of the universe, you know, our father in heaven, who I believe loves all of us absolutely, unconditionally.

57:50 And, it doesn't mean that he puts up with, you know, things that shouldn't be put up with. But I think that, I think that he's really our example. And, and of course, his son, Jesus Christ. And the way that he lived his life, serving other people, always having enough time for people, always being focused on on the individual person that needed a little bit of time.

58:21 You know, life goes so fast. Our kids grow up so, so quickly. I really think that, childhood is it should be extended for at least another ten years. Should be doubled really, because it goes so quick and it's so, so important for us as fathers to take the time to slow down. You know, we're in so much of a hurry most of our lives, trying to achieve this.

58:49 We're trying to achieve that. But when people get to the end of their lives, they never say, you know, I wish I, I really were looking back. I wish I would have spent more time at work. No, it's always, you know, I wish I would have spent more time with my kids. I wish I would have told my wife how much she means to me, right?

59:07 How much I love her and and my kids, too. Because eventually we're gone. And, and you know, all that they have when we're gone is just the memory of how we were. And, you know, and sometimes we're toxic. I mean, I, I was toxic, I was exhibiting toxic behaviors, you know, to to my kids, to my oldest daughter, especially that I was not really even aware of until she pointed them out to me.

59:35 And I think that part of being a man is being able to take that criticism and wrap your head around that and understand that and change, you know. I agree with you, man. Some of your baggage is mine. You know, when it comes to things I've done like that in the past, I have found two that I want to share one other story with you here real quick, just as we wrap up. And it's a realization that I've had here lately. And it's really odd how it hit me.

1:00:11 And it's just been through a lot of exploring and seeing a really good therapist. And I've always seen the same guy, you know, on and off for years. And I'm in a season right now where my 18 year old son left for college. So I have I have an older one, but he's still here. He, he went to EMT school, so he's named T, and he's getting ready to go to paramedic school, so he'll be here for a while.

1:00:32 My 18 year old out of my four boys is the first one to leave. And him leading up to to going away to school. I found myself insanely emotional about it and I was like, and it was, here's the thing to it was like really obvious to my kids and my family. Like, I was taking this hard, like harder than I was even prepared for expected.

1:00:57 And, I found myself. It was really weird. I'm not a big crier, but I would find myself, like in my closet, getting ready for the day, and like, tears would just kind of start to roll. Not bawling or anything, but, like, just sadness. Yeah. And, then he and my kids have noticed, like, I've been more emotional in front of them where I've shed a few tears and they're like, dude, like dad, like, we don't what is up with this?

1:01:22 Like. And, my son came back to visit this past weekend, and it's been a minute since I've seen him. And I found myself emotional again, you know, round him. And I was like, what in God's name is happening here? And so I went and talked to this therapist about it, and he was asking me questions. He was like, why do you think this is?

1:01:43 And I was like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't get it. Even my wife, like, she had a really tough conversation with me just last week. And she was like, I was like, I feel like you and I are connecting like we used to, like, not nice bad. But I was like, I just feel like on a scale of 1 to 10, you and I usually operate like an 8 or 9.

1:01:58 I feel like we're like a six and a half, seven. And she kind of, like, took 24 hours and thought about that. And then she came back to me and she's like, I did have some feedback for you. And I'm like, okay, what is it? And we have this great relationship where we call each other forward and we give each other a ton of grace.

1:02:14 We're not disrespectful. She was like, yeah, she goes, I thought about this. She's like, you've been different for like nine months. And it's something I'm not really used to. And I was like, what are you seeing? She's like, you're just. I can tell you're carrying this whole thing of mass and leaving, and I can you just you're way more emotional than what you used to be, and I'm just not used to it.

1:02:34 She's like, I don't fault you for it. It's just a different experience I'm having with you. So she's like, I really think you should call Toby. This is a guy I talk to. And I was like, okay. So I sat with him. He's asked me a ton of questions. He's like, here's what I think is going on for you, man. He's like, you grew up with a dad, a bio dad who left you once, then he left you twice. You had a stepfather for six years. And in between all that, that your mom and him were married. He adopted me legally. And then he left when I was ten. Never seen him since. And my mom continued to date, get remarried and all that.

1:03:09 But every guy left. Every guy left. He's like, could it be that way? Deep down in there, man, he's like, and I know you've done a lot of growth and a lot of work. This is kind of been your life. He's like, but could it be that you just feel at a very deep level when people who are super important to you, that you're so close to leave your life, not that your son is leaving your life, but he's kind of leaving.

1:03:37 He's like, do you think there's any truth to that? And I felt like a bomb went off in my heart and I was like, actually, I think that's totally it. Yeah. I was like, it's it's it's like this thing of like, I don't want people like people, you know, friends and that kind of thing. I mean, there some friends stay for a season, some friends stay for years, I get that.

1:03:58 But when it comes to family, especially my boys, and especially maybe my experience of dads growing up and like how important this is to me. And when my son leaves, it's it's almost like that wound kind of gets opened up again, but it's so different. You know, it's it's different, but it's similar. And that's something as you and I are having this conversation, it's something that I'm personally addressing right now and I don't know why I felt so.

1:04:27 I've never spoken about that on the show. This was the first time I've spoken about my son leaving, but I was just couldn't figure it out. Why? Yeah, I think I finally figured out why and yeah, well, that's working through that. Sure. Well, there's there's emotional baggage there. See, there's energy there that, no amount of therapy will actually release it.

1:04:50 I mean, therapy is great to help you understand it and sell on what's going on. I think that, I think he's absolutely right. You know, when he said, I think he really nailed what's going on, and then you felt the truth of that. The other side of it, though, is that there there's definitely emotional energy that can be released that can then allow you to finally, you know, to finally be at peace with everything.

1:05:16 So I'll send you a copy of the Emotion Code book. I would love that. I'll get your address and you'll send you a copy. I would love that, man. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on the show. This was really unique, really enlightening. And thanks for just obviously receiving some of the things from the personal things I shared with you.

1:05:34 You're this was really cool. So I want to make sure that the guys can find you. Where's the. I know you've got three books. I know you've got your three systems. Best place for men to connect with you. Where's that? Well, you know, really the easiest thing to do. We've we've set up a, like, a couple of our video thing where the people can watch, and then actually, it will walk them through releasing their own first trapped emotion.

1:05:57 Because you can do this on yourselves. And the best way to go there is just it's a it's called emotion code now.com emotion code now.com. And that's the easiest way. And that'll actually end up on our main website which is Discover Healing. Com. But if they go to a motion code now then they'll be able to just get this free thing where they it'll kind of walk them through it a little bit.

1:06:21 I love that man. I know we have links also for all your social media and and everything your team sent us. I'm going to make sure that we have everything in there in the show notes for the audience to find everything really, really easily for you. We'll also include that as well. But if you guys go to the edge.com/1538 for the show.

1:06:39 Again the edge.com/1538. We'll have all of Doctor Bradley Nelson's links in there, along with some of the things you heard at the beginning of the show about what we're doing here in the month of October. Even though we're finishing up, we're going to extend that that promo at the marriage Drift into November. So it's not too late for you.

1:06:56 You can still take action. And hopefully I'm going to see a lot of you guys at the NFL football game here in just a couple of weeks on November 15th at at State Farm Stadium, where the Cardinals take on the Rams. So Doctor Nelson thanks for coming on today man. Thank you. Larry thanks for sharing. God bless you.

1:07:15 And we'll get a copy of the book in the mail to you ASAP. That'd be great man. God bless you back. Take care.