5 YRS AGO NXT ON USA POST-SHOW: Wells & Stoup cover final hype for Halloween Havoc, Jacy Jayne’s scary accident, lots of segments outside

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On today's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Post Show, we jump back five years to PWT Talks NXT, the live stream of From October 19th, 2021, in this episode, Kelly Wells was joined by Tom Staup to cover the final hype for that year's Halloween Havoc, JC Jane's scary accident, lots of segments outside the venue, and more. So let's get to it. This is the Wade Keller Pricing Post Show five years ago flashback for Saturday, October 17th, 2026.

Here we go.

Well, aloha, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to PWT Talks NXT.

I'm your host, I'm Kelly Wells.

You can find me all over social media at SpookyMilk or SpookyMilk.Games.

We are going to talk.

NXT for October the 19th, 2021. Just a two-man boot today. That's what you're going to get. The usual half-gang of idiots is here with me. So let's talk main event. Oh, by the way, if you want to email us... You can do that at PWTorchNXT at gmail.com. Or you can call us, 515-605-9345, and hit pound one or whatever it is they tell you to hit to ask us questions.

Go ahead and do that. I'm Kelly Wells. I'm your host.

Find me all over social media at SpookyMilk or SpookyMilk.Games. Don't think I said that, but I don't remember now.

I'm in a haze.

Of eight, eight, count them, eight matches on NXT. I guess that's kind of the norm now. It's just so many. Um, and we got our main event. Let's talk main event. This is Tommaso Champa and Braun Breaker against Grizzled Young Veterans. The veterans basically just there to do some jobs to higher priority projects at this point. Um, Yeah, it's unfortunate that that's where they are, but that.

Really is just where they are.

So they lose to, well, Braun Breaker gets the pin, as Breaker and Ciampa have a lot of tense moments. This is main roster-rific stuff, but this is the main event next week, Tommaso Ciampa defending against Braun Breaker.

My own feeling here is Braun.

In terms of, it's so hard to say whether he's ready because we don't know what ready is going to look like in this version of, um, of NXT because he's perfectly good in his, uh, his power offense is great. I re I really like watching Braun work on offense, um, selling.

We'll see. He hasn't had to do a lot of it.

Um, But in terms of on the mic, this son of Rick Steiner is not a natural. That you would have known coming in. And if they want him to go high up the card... He's got some work to do. So this was the main event. I got it written down on my recap how long this went, but I didn't write it in my paper.

So I'm going to go ahead and figure out how long.

That match was for you while I throw to one half the gang of idiots, Tom Stout.

44 minutes and 27 seconds at Tom Stout on social media. Boy, another NXT main event. They do this to me so often. Yeah, you're right. It's basically the same thing, more or less, that Big E and Drew McIntyre have been doing for their Crown Jewel title program, which feels more obligatory, like pre-draft split, let's just get these guys in a match before they're on different brands, than this does.

This program has.

many more implications for Breaker in particular and for NXT 2.0.

But I agree with you on Breaker's offense.

That's pretty much my only takeaway from this main event is that he looks probably his best yet. We haven't seen a lot of this guy, but he's looked good, but he's looked like he needed help out there. And this time, either they were concealing the help a lot better. And I usually feel like i'm pretty okay at at picking up that kind of thing um but uh but he he looked uh looked looked much better out there much smoother and more confident when he was on offense.

So that match was 10 57 uh 44 27 i believe would have killed me tom um with a with a 32 minute overrun or uh or whatever that would have been uh no overrun that is the best part of the changes to nxt and not having to type well into 908, 915, whatever it would be on that given week. But this show ends at a snug two hours every time, so.

There you go.

Yeah, this was 1057 of a total of about 41 minutes estimated. We did get yet another week where one of the matches was started. off screen, which I absolutely despise as somebody who does pay attention to these times.

Um, I care about it. I wish I didn't folks, but I do. Uh, yeah, let's, let's go. Should we go to one of the emails?

Nah, they're all kind of small picture things about things we have not, uh, we have not covered yet on the show.

About the new NXT 2.0 Facebook group that has 500 members already.

Is that official? Is that an official group?

Oh, I got my invite and it's private, so I had to be accepted. Yeah, it's the new way that they are reaching out. They say on the Facebook page that they are still going to be sending the usual. who get invited to the PC, that sounded like I was talking myself up way more than I intended it to when I launched into it. But I am on the email list. I have not RSVP'd to any of these shows.

But after the show tonight, they put out on the Facebook.

Page, early registration, click this link to let us know if you're going to be at a Halloween Havoc to participate. And they didn't add this part, but you know, to participate in their front row costume contest.

Wow.

The only list I'm on is, uh, the PlayStation list. They basically know I will spend all of my money on them.

So they go to me first. Uh, they're like, you're preferred. I'm like, well, I would think so. I buy everything that you do.

Um, So, yes, you got to tell you got to tell the Pokemon company to start doing that for me. I'm on their newsletter, but I keep missing these mythicals. I'll let them know.

I'll let them know, Tom.

I am.

I do work at a collectible shop that is one of the 10 biggest Pokemon dealers in America. So I've got, weirdly, I might have an in somehow, even though we don't.

Talk to them.

That's not who we talk to.

Just let me know the next time I have a window to download all of the Pikachus with special hats. No, actually, let me ask you, I probably wouldn't have looked for it if they hadn't done this Facebook group thing today but it seems like they are back to like hey come on out to the show and they go through phases I mean long long long phases I think there are only three times in memory where they've had to say hey people come on over to Full Sail or in this case the PC because they don't they don't have to worry about selling out. But to me, the audience seemed more spaced out this time, like they probably had some some hands go through and say, like, oh, scoot down. You don't have to be shoulder to shoulder

so much. And maybe there was like an empty corner or two. So I'm wondering if they are. uh, struggling with that.

Um, did you notice that finally social distancing accidentally, right?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

This was, this was the first event that there's, there's one dude that, uh, I would, as much as you hang out during a show is one dude where like, I would see him at the full sale tapings and be like, Oh, Hey, I'm going to go sit next to that guy. Um, and this was the first night that I saw him back in the stands and his mask was up over his nose.

So I'll say that much.

There you go. Ron DeSantis watching and being like, get in tighter.

All of you.

I mean it. Let's not go down to that rabbit hole. I mean, we've done it.

But there's no need to do that again.

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Yeah, just Tom and I.

So I'm going to refrain from throwing to Nate because.

He's not here.

Let's throw instead to our longtime companion, Darrell. Darrell is coming to us from Georgia.

Say hey, Darrell.

How y'all doing today?

Not too bad.

Missing NBA opening tip-off, that's a bummer.

But you know what?

I should turn that on and just turn the sound down. And then when Tom throws to me and I don't say anything, you'll know why.

I understand.

You missed the champions just winning their first game, so that's okay.

Yeah, I watched the score, so very happy. Big fan of the Bucs. Big, big fan of Giannis. So there.

You go.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Same here, same here. So the first thing I want to get with you guys about is Carmelo Hayes. I enjoy how they brought him on. He was one of the guys that they brought in here and had a few with some of the bigger names and take a loss. but you see his character development. How do you guys like the final product, and where are they going with him so far?

This is the Carmelo Hayes that always should have been. When they brought him in, they had him do that sit-down, and I was like, that was kind of okay. But it seems like this is a heel just yearning, just bubbling.

Under the surface, just yearning to get out. But at the time.

In an NXT not very long ago that just seems like an age ago, it seemed like there was no room for yet another heel. They had to have a babyface in there. Now, with basically just a total reset, they have... turned him face, uh, turned him heel, um, made him a very clear heel hanging out with trick Williams. I, uh, I like what trick is bringing to the table too. Um, I like, I just like the hype man role in general.

I think it can do a lot for a guy while he's working his way up, um, behind the scenes, uh, figuring things out behind the scenes.

So I dug what he was doing. I, dig the old.

School heel stuff, like him talking himself up as a world beater when we all know that he cashed in on a tired opponent. So yes, it's Carmelo doesn't miss, says Carmelo and Trick. However, Johnny Gargano walks down the ramp, gets a welcome back chant and talked about the fact that literally none of the other members of the way are on TV right now, which is Not on TV, but Indy's got her own storyline. Candace is pregnant and Austin is on Raw, so they're not in a.

Place to be.

Doing the way schtick, which is fine because I felt like it ran its course. But yes, I don't know if we're going to get this next week or if we're going to have to wait for this.

But this should make for....

Of all the matches that are technically veteran against rookie, this is the one that has the most by far can't miss... level of, um, excitement to it. Uh, this one will be a very good match. It'll be very interesting to see what psychology they add to the match, um, how trick gets involved and, uh, what will Johnny do without help? Uh, we bemoaned the fact that Johnny as a heel would sometimes just work baby face, you know, work without any chicanery or backup, um, on, uh, uh, on takeover, uh, that will not happen next week.

It won't have to happen next week because now he's a face. So I don't know.

Um, uh, as far as Carmelo, all I can say is, man, I was lukewarm at best on him when he showed up, but I am loving the act right.

Now, Tom.

I was thinking the exact same thing about Johnny now being a face again, that that straight-up match issue.

Won't be an issue anymore.

Regarding Melo, to be fair, when something happens in WWE that begins with Mel and ends with Bration, I prefer it to be a.

Mel-a-bration, not a Mel-o-bration.

Although they said it quickly enough the three times they said it, that two of the times they said it, it just sounded like Mel-a-bration. Um, and I was, I was trying to remember when that, I want to say it was when she won money in the bank, but I don't remember when that was. Anyway, I should, I should, uh, reference my, my scrapbook, my Carmela scrapbook.

Um, get out.

Just go.

I just, I, I'm, I'm very glad that Mello has trick. because, I mean, like, Mello's not like, oh, man, you got to give this guy a mouthpiece. He's poison out there. You know, you got to let him do what he does in the ring, but somebody else has to talk for him. But Trick is so much better talking for him and so committed to it. And I just, I very much enjoy what Trick is bringing.

Mello is... He's just he's OK.

And he's staring into the hard cam and he's listing off all of these names that he's come up with for himself.

The final boss, the whatever else he said, which was a lot.

But but but it teed up Johnny nicely because I'm just like, OK, you know, I figured somebody was going to come out and interrupt.

And now Mello has me to a point where I want.

Somebody to shut him up and stop giving himself, you know, stop making the list of nicknames any longer and seeing Johnny again. Even before he said the cute little line of, I lost my way, it's apparent that the way is no longer as we knew it. So just seeing Johnny come out, you know it's not the way Johnny.

And it was.

I don't think I would have predicted I would have felt that way. I think I– I think I would have just thought like, oh, yeah, you know, Johnny Gargano, he's been doing this thing, even if he's a face again or whatever.

But in the moment, I was like, you know what?

Yeah, it's it's refreshing to see this guy as a baby face again and bringing life to the room. you know, again, no disrespect to the, the other guys, but, uh, but Johnny really brought the room to life with his reintroduction. Uh, and the, you know, the whole little thumbs up thing with Loomis was cute since we watched to the journey that those two went on from rivals to.

Relatives in, in their sense.

This is so much like staying Tom, where I'm like, I've really started to like this guy as long as he's not wrestling.

I work at a collectible shop.

We got in a signed glove that Sting wore in TNA today. I bought that from a customer and I'll be selling that. Another employee, he's like 24, so he knows about the attitude era, but he didn't really see it. And, um, and he asked me like the story of, he was like, Hey, can you explain like the difference between black and white sting and red and white sting, um, or red and black sting? And I'm like, you know, for such an innocuous question, that's kind of a long story.

Um, and, uh, yeah, I, uh, How is that going to relate to what you just said? It it sure was. Um, yo, yes.

And, uh, and I talked about how I wasn't really a sting fan, but they got him to a place where suddenly he was more popular than ever. And all he had to do was stop wrestling and talking, which are the two things that a wrestler does.

Typically does.

Oh, my goodness.

So are you just going to scratch out the in TNA part of the gloves listing?

It is kind of, you know, just it happens to be on the other side of the glove that we're not showing, Tom.

It's on the bottom.

He signed the side that does not say TNA, which I can't say I'm upset about. Because now even TNA isn't called TNA, so.

There you go.

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Let's do this one email and then throw back to Darrell because we just got an email that.

Weirdly is timely. Greetings from Al in New York City. No last name, please.

I'm glad I read that because I was going to say his name at the end. Kelly, Tom, and Nate, you folks do a great job every week.

Two questions.

Number one, wouldn't Mandy Rose have been better in the role of Staten Island Princess and Carmella better in the role of Blonde Bombshell, which she is not now doing? And number two, wouldn't Braun Breaker have made a better centerpiece of Diamond Mine instead of Roderick Strong?

Thanks. And his name is Al. Al in NYC.

Okay, Braun Breaker better centerpiece of Diamond Mine?

You know.

I had not thought of that at all, but I'll co-sign the hell out of it. I think that makes sense for the style they're going for. Diamond Mine is already a really weird story. because Adrian Jaoud was going to be in it, didn't even get to hit the main roster. There's another one who didn't hit TV. There's another one who didn't. And then, of course, Tyler Rust didn't get to– I mean, he was on TV for a few weeks, was winning matches, and then was fired.

So, yeah, already a lot of weirdness in that group.

But, yes, Bron Breaker as centerpiece of that over– Roddy would make sense because they're, they're stone cold killers. And Roddy is a technician and he'll chop.

The shit out of you. Like, obviously, but, um, but he's a technician.

So I'll co-sign that as far as Mandy Rose and Carmela trading places. I mean, Carmela kind of was made to be the Staten Island princess. Um, Like, her being the irritating, talkative Staten Island princess, I think.

Is a perfect role for her.

And they've gone in a lot of different directions. I think every time they've gone face.

I was just like, oh, this is... This just doesn't work for me at all. But as, like, the pesky Staten Island princess, I think she's made for it. Mandy Rose, though.

I don't know.

I don't know if the blonde bombshell ever made sense for her, but I've never really loved anything she's done.

So I don't I might be the wrong one to ask, Tom.

We should ask your cat.

My cat's asking.

Me something and I'm just like, I'm sorry, there are no boys here.

It's not going to happen.

That is the nicest thing you've ever said about Carmella. Carmella has value.

I wish they would just stick to where that value is. I.

I think that I agree that she's perfect in her role. Um, and Mandy Rose for the strengths that, I mean, I, I'm not going to make sting comparisons here. I'm not going to try to force sting comparisons, but like after I, I mean, what I, Oh, I actually counted it recently. How long she's been in the company now, you know, whenever that tough enough season happened. Um, and, Going back to there, since she's been doing stuff with WWE, she hasn't really clicked anywhere. And, yeah, they did the thing with Otis and then moved away from it. And, yeah, they did the thing with Sonya and then that had to be moved away from. And that was even– those were both just last year. So Mandy, she just doesn't have– the acting chops. And I, I looked up just

now that she is from New York. I think I would have guessed Arkansas or something. So I suppose you could finagle Staten Island out of that and hope people don't go to Google. Um, or even if they do, you know, it's modern wrestling, so whatever. Um, so yeah, I just, I just, I think in that case, they are, um, correctly cast Braun breaker being in diamond mine. Uh, I guess I mentioned, uh, that I thought it was funny that they basically have a Steiner tag team in the Creed brothers, but they have an actual Steiner doing something completely separate from them. I think if you had Bron Breaker in the diamond mine, you would have to move the creeds out of the diamond mine, which would be fine. Um,

I guess having, um, having, uh, having their mouthpieces, uh, Bivens is, uh, better for them probably. Um, and of course, you know, they're pairing people up with the quote veterans.

So Roderick Strong being there, um, is, is part of what they're doing right now.

Roddy as a centerpiece is something that I have chuckled at, but I don't know, like if they were putting Braun in diamond mine, that would imply to me that they weren't looking, they weren't currently looking at him for such a role as he's in now.

Um, the, you know, the, the rocket strap role.

So I would say you wouldn't want him to be the centerpiece. You would want him to be the Tyler rust basically in the, in the prior incarnation. Um, but yeah, even though, even though I more or less disagreed with the ideas, I very much appreciate the compliment and I believe first time email Al.

Wishes he could be Tyler Rust in the ring. I like Braun in the ring. I just hate his name and the stuff that comes out of his mouth.

But he's further along than Scott at the time of Scott's retirement, which hasn't technically come yet.

I don't think so. So there you go.

Paint him up and put him in the rafters.

Yes, indeed.

Oh, that painted up Scott in the rafters.

That would be.

Man, how much patience do you think he would have before he just started yelling up there? Which could be a whole different kind of funny.

They shouldn't have taken down those big ass fans.

And that's not what I'm calling them. That's the brand name.

Big ass fans that they had up during WrestleMania that got their own T-shirt.

He could be clinging on to one of those.

Oh, there you go. Darrell, go ahead and hit us with another one.

Okay, and y'all transition to the next thing. I was going to ask about that Diamond Mine match with the Creed brothers. It was very good. They going on me. The whole unit itself is going on me with Michael Bivens coming out there speaking, and they're giving them more speaking opportunities. I'm hoping that they can turn this rivalry into something where we get like a– War Games type of incident with all the parties that's involved in it.

What do you guys think about that?

I'm not sure whether to assume a War Games period. I really don't know if that's going to happen. But if they do, it does look like Diamond Mine could be involved. And if they're not willing to put Ivy in the ring... certainly she can make her presence felt in other ways.

And that, that could happen.

So yeah, the, I don't like that Tyler's not there, but I can't hate on what they've done. like, to elevate Diamond Mine at a time when it seemed like they introduced them but didn't know what to do with them. Like, maybe they were blocked by Hit Row. Legato was there. Lots of different factions. For just a minute, there were a lot of factions.

So, yeah, lots of stuff going on. I do like.

the direction of Diamond Mine at the moment, and Malcolm Bivens is just killing it.

I've said this before, but if you don't follow him on Twitter, do it. He's awesome on Twitter.

He's a funny guy clever guy just just love what he brings to the table there and Yeah, so I'm digging that he gets to do what he's there to do. And now he's with, well, he was always with Roddy, so he was always with somebody that he should be doing 100% of the talking for.

But now there's even more of those.

So we've got Imperium against the Creed Brothers. Imperium goes over in 535. The Creed suffer their first loss as a unit on TV. And then MSK comes out and attacks Imperium afterwards for something they did. And MSK gets booed pretty hard here, which is sometimes true for that, like, row and a half of vocal males that just is so tiresome. But I dare say they put MSK behind the eight ball here again. Because they had them attack a team that had just wrestled a match, which already is a heelish thing to do. And the team they attacked was the one that worked babyface in that match.

I don't know if these are the things that McMahon and Laurinaitis just want.

Us to ignore.

because face and heel stuff just doesn't matter until these guys get to the main roster. If they're just trying out stuff, I don't know. Trying out different roles, maybe that's what this really was about.

At any rate, this was a good match.

The Creeds had to do a little bit of selling, which we haven't seen them do for the most part because they've been dominating matches. So yes, they had to do a little bit of selling, and they're better on offense, but I thought they were perfectly.

Fine on defense. These guys. Are going to be favorites.

Of mine for a long time, assuming they are kept together and assuming they're not totally ruined in whatever way that WWE finds to ruin them.

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So.

Imperium over creeds with MSK getting in the mix time.

Imperium.

I saw.

Shut up. I just swallowed part of the word.

I saw Adam Schiff on Colbert, and that's where I learned that he pronounces it publicans.

Publicans. I guess he's, you know, he's got places to be. He's got the, you know. Presidents to try to impeach.

No, there's so little time to say Republican.

I got to say publicans.

So, yeah, the oh, boy, what was Darrell's? I guess just just liking the Diamond Mine Act.

I heard you hit your mic.

Yeah, I did.

I lost you for a few seconds, so I didn't know when the question ended. But yes, it was the thoughts of– he's really digging the direction of Diamond Mine right now, and that's where we're– that's basically it.

Yeah, perfect. Well, I mean, yes, me too.

Um, you know, it's, it's almost like a microcosm of 2.0, uh, with just, you know, like I keep saying, seeing the starting points for these wrestlers, like Ivy Nile, uh, promising debut last week, this week, she's just walking to the ring and looking so, so, so stoic that it seems like she's using it as a crutch because she doesn't feel comfortable in her own skin out in front of the camera. Um, But if my interpretation of that is correct, it'll be cool to hopefully see her flower from that.

You know, it's easy for me in particular to make a Shayna Baszler comparison. And right from her first match against Zayda in the Mae Young Classic, Shayna's just.

Like, oh.

Bigger platform now?

Okay, whatever.

I'm still just who I am, and she's totally confident. Seems like Ivy has to get there, and that's the kind of journey I like to try to see behind the eyes.

The Creeds versus Imperium. Imperium has.

become, they became bottom rung by default when everyone beneath them was released. And then when a couple of new tag teams, if you can't count a trick and mellow, but definitely, uh, Briggs and Jensen, um, started to become even more focal and got, got title shots, uh, against MSK. So it's been weird to me that Imperium are the ones that are breathing down MSK's necks because they feel like, like bottom rung right now, uh, and have for a while.

So seeing the Cree, seeing like a wonky finish and then the creeds have to get, you know, whichever one it was that got rolled.

Up by Imperium in.

The first of two, where the shoulders really down for that finish of the night.

I think we got two in a row right there.

This was the first, um, It reminded me of NXT eight years back on VIP, where we're looking back at the Ascension. And especially a year ago now, when it was the original version of the Ascension with Kenneth Cameron, Brom, he went on to be called.

Yes.

Tom Latimer.

Do I just remember all three of his names? Bram.

Bram.

Yep.

Bram, Tom Latimer.

Tom Latimer, weirdly, is the one I would have forgotten, and I was watching that on NWA before NWA went dark. I keep meaning to pick that up again, but how many hours are there in a day, Tom?

We can't even say the first syllables of words. There's so little time. This frickin' guy over here.

You're just cruising for a bruising, Tom. That's what's happening.

When I was a child and my parents would say that to me, I always thought it was a reference to Tom Cruise.

I just associated the two. Okay, so.

Ascension, it reminded me of the original incarnation of the Ascension, when it's like, where it's the retrospective, and we're like, oh yeah, dominant tag team, these guys never lost. They lost in match number three or something. And the Creed's as a tag team, this might be match number three for them. And they're going out there, and I'm like, okay, um...

It's been weird that Imperium has been positioning themselves as the challengers, so they're going to get beat, and Malcolm Bivens is going to talk the creeds into that spot.

Cool.

Doesn't seem like a very WWE thing to do, since they've already put... Or doesn't seem like a very wrestling thing to do. Doesn't seem very advisable to... put it out there put the energy out there the promotion out there that imperium versus msk is going to happen and then and then switch it but uh or at the very least turn it into a triple threat get the belts on these guys they're clearly just fine out there i i i um have thought it for a long time and i've started to finally say out loud that uh people throw around the term tv ready uh way too much and yeah we're seeing some stuff on 2.0 now that uh is that is not tv ready um but so many of the acts that we see debuting on NXT would be okay if they just debuted on

the main roster. So TV ready is a phrase that gets thrown about around a bit too much. These guys would be fine. Uh, but then they get rolled up. So I don't know. Damage probably not done too bad, but if it were me, I would have just been like, yeah, let these guys keep on plowing through people for a few more months. Oh, and MSK, um, beating a very long dead horse here, but not only can I never remember their music, and like I always say, I knew who these guys were on Impact, and I knew who these guys were when I saw them pop up on indies that I paid attention to. Now, can't remember that they exist, can't recognize their music when I hear it, and when they did this post-match attack, I was like,

who are these new acts that are being introduced?

Oh!

I just, I don't know what in the world it is about how they have been presented on NXT that makes them just absolutely disappear from my mind.

Yeah.

It just seems like they have, they've continued to, in order to try to fight against the audience reaction to them, they like, disappear from the show for a while until they're supposed.

To be in a big moment and they don't put them in small moments.

And, uh, and I think that's what it is. Like the last time we saw quote unquote important characters used this little, it was Velveteen Dream.

And there was a reason for that. Uh, yeah, it's, I don't know, man.

Um, And, you know, as far as dropping opening syllables... you know, Summer Rae did that eight years back with The Sentience.

And you kind of said The Sentience the first time and I'm like, man, it's just, it's just too good.

But of course you would say it because, uh, Carmela, uh, Carmela, um, Because Summer Rae said that eight years back.

You know what, folks?

You should listen to eight years back because you can hear us bemoan the fact that Summer Rae is not a.

Bigger star because she actually was quite a bit better than I remembered. Okay, Darrell, we're off the rails. Save us. We'll give you one more.

Okay, last one would be about that triple threat. I hope that's not a serious injury, and if so, how do they change that matchup next week?

Okay. Yeah, obviously, don't know if that was... I have.

Not made a sound like I made when JC missed that Tope Suicida in a long time during wrestling. Like, my wife was in the room, but she wasn't watching... And when she heard that, she was like, what, what, who got hurt? Because I've done that a couple of times. I did that with Enzo in that match with Enzo and Kaz against the Vaudevillians on pay-per-view, where he had a similar thing with the ropes. And a few other times that things just kind of went wrong. Yeah, and my big question is, will people say, well.

You took wrestlers who aren't ready and you put them in this position where they got to do all these crazy moves to try to get over. I think people will say that, but I don't know whether they should or not based on how long JC's been around. At any rate, the spot did definitely go awry. It definitely looked like a bad landing.

Apparently, it was enough for Io to still do.

The moonsault, but then when they went to, I think it was split-screen commercial in this one, they decided to pull JC from the match. Now, this match technically had stakes, because the winner would spin the wheel to determine what the match would be next week for the triple threat tag. The good thing about this is the stakes were completely non-essential because it doesn't matter who's spinning the wheel at all.

So it's weird that it was even.

It was really weird stakes.

Winner, it was so... Like, honestly, Winner gets to play a card game with somebody. That's how much sense it made. But whatever. So... It easily could have been J.C.

Or even Persia Parada who was supposed to win this, but if J.C. or Persia was going to win, they would have pinned the other.

So Io.

Winning, I thought, was inevitable when this turned into a singles match because they weren't going to have Persia go over Io Shirai. Persia, you know, Tom says TV Ready is thrown around often, but Persia does.

Not seem TV Ready to me, and I'm not just throwing that around. Um, it, it feels like there's a lot of work to be done there. And JC, even.

Though it's her, it was she who tripped on the ropes does seem further along.

Uh, this, this was on an unfortunate and.

Then EO herself slipped on the top rope just a bit during, uh, an old school walk and, uh, then jumping into, uh, what turned into a shotgun dropkick, but who knows if that's what it was supposed to be. Um, just kind of messy in what was the longest match of the night, 1122. Don't know how this will change the match next week. Um, Indy and Persia can wrestle in this match.

Uh, but where does this leave Gigi Dolan?

If, um, If JC Jane is out, I guess you could do a double duty thing with Mandy and have her brag that now she can win two championships. But I really, really hope JC's okay.

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Yeah, I was wondering if they might do an Adam Cole thing with her since they had to do that with Cole at one pay-per-view. And speaking of the era, they had to do this with Bobby Fish at one after they had gone live, I'm pretty sure, where he was taken away during a commercial break. I think that's like late 2010s. 2019, I want to say. But yeah, where to begin? I guess I guess right there at being taken away during the commercial break it.

Yeah. J.C. absolutely seems further along.

So, I mean, you know, there's no there's there's I've been impressed with her in the ring. There's no history of me being like, oh, I got to work on that. I mean, everybody can always improve. But this seemed like a freak thing.

Thing.

And, um, I was in the middle of trying to, yes, indeed. When I say TV ready gets thrown all around a lot as a phrase, but we're seeing some people on NXT 2.0.

Where it fits.

Persia is the first one that comes to mind. Um, you know, that's still.

On the roster. B fab is not on the roster anymore, but, um, so.

I was just in the middle of trying to figure out how, um, Nice or mean, I should be about former shimmer wrestler Persia Persia Parada. And and then, you know, this happened and she tried to correct course. So I saw that and I was like, oh, well, at least she knew to at least try to to correct her position to be to be there for J.C., even though she was already so clear of it that that it would or clear.

Of where J.C.

Ended up landing that it wouldn't have happened. Uh, worked out no matter how, how well she tried. Um, and she openly checked on JC afterward, which is not her job. But part of me wants to say good on her for doing it. Part of me wants to say, you should totally pull a Rhea Ripley and just, you know, uh, get over in the moment. Like she'd like Rhea did when, uh, Tegan injured herself in the, uh, may young classic two semifinals.

Um, then they go to picture in picture and.

Uh, Oh, boy.

EO was just like slowly walking Persia through practice spots. Like we've said, we've said it more often on on eight years back recently that some matches look like they're.

Just practice matches.

This looked not even like practice matches.

It looked like practice spots. And then, you know, I.

Tom, a few nights ago, I re-watched the Tynara-Conti-Santana-Garrett match. Speaking of practice matches, I just had to tell you, I did that to myself.

And I was like, we have to be exaggerating it, but.

It's the worst thing ever, and you should watch it again because it's unintentional comedy.

Go ahead.

Boy, yeah, and if memory serves, that was, again, after they were live, but they taped that one ahead of time because it was going to air on the Christmas show, and it still aired.

As it happened live.

Boy, yeah, so I watched that one twice.

Woo-hoo!

And I think I heard that they had something of a rematch recently. Um, I guess that would have been, I guess that would have been on, you know, in the impact zone, you know, no longer called that, but over there in universal studios anyway. Um, Part of me wants to say benefit of the doubt, or not benefit of the doubt, but be forgiving. Part of me wants to be forgiving because Io is clearly out there leading this thing, or she's clearly out there as the veteran in this thing. And Persia, obviously the greenest of the bunch, is suddenly now having to be in the entire match without the option of not being around for some spots and whatnot.

So.

Persia, talking about trying to read behind people's eyes, Persia looked like she was scared as hell having to change course during commercial and just doing her best to not show it on her face. I still feel like I saw it, but that's just what I read into it. And it's still, oh, and you could see Tom Caster talking to EO and EO nodding to him. So that was probably when he said, you know, we're going to do a different finish or, or, you know, JC's not coming back or whatever, whatever that was there.

Um, but I will say that.

I guess in a meta sense, um, this is the kind of thing where if Persia does make something of herself, I'll remember this and be like, you know what? She was thrown into that. Uh, you know, it was just like, she was thrown And then the deep end ended up being 50 feet deep because JC got taken out and the whole thing changed on live television. And she came out the other end. Yeah, it didn't look fantastic, but she came out the other end. And I think that's the kind of thing that will endear someone to me.

And I felt that a little bit tonight. I found myself.

Going from before the commercial to after the commercial, realizing that I was rooting for Persia to at least like survive the segment. Um, so for whatever that's worth, from my perspective, uh, we'll see, we'll see what she's able to put together as we move forward for her here. And I, like, I don't, I don't really give a damn about spin the wheel, make the deal. Uh, but I thought they were supposed to spin the wheel at the show, the, the actual show where the matches were happening. So, uh, I get relieved is too strong a term, but they advertised that two matches will still have that stipulation, you know, next week. And this one is just the wheel got spun tonight. And I wasn't like, of course, it ran

through my mind that it doesn't matter who spins the wheel. But the solution is just to have. One of these little segments that you're doing beforehand, like whatever the I think they did an interview with Champa and Breaker and they've done though they did one last week. We don't need another one. Use that time to show JC and Gigi talking about like, oh, well, I saw this stip and this stip and this stip. And, you know, like on Price is Right, when they want to get the 100, just try to aim for that one. So like just have have it be like, oh, the heels, you know, the baby faces are just going to spin it because he doesn't care. Oh, and she landed on ladder match, which is the same gimmick she did last year.

So repeat. But, you know, whatever. It's her thing.

And yeah, just show that the heels want to try.

To work it a little bit more. I don't know.

Yeah, we'll fizzle out of that one.

Yeah, so we're going to go to 508 next. But before that, Tom and I will do a couple of emails. So 508, be ready. Yeah, let's go. To this one from David Podnar. First thoughts for JC Jane's face and neck.

I hope she isn't injured. That was just scary. I'm getting less hopeful for the women's division.

I know they did a hard move to developmental, but you need a mix of vets and new to have a watchable product. And right now I'm only seeing very few vets on TV. During the three-way match, just notice how over EO is. I'm nervous about what will happen if the crowd doesn't get behind the correct person. Happy anniversary to Johnny and the wheel rivalry, Dave Podnar. Yeah, imagine this crowd getting behind the wrong person.

This is from JB. Hi, team.

It's real quick on on that one.

Before I forget, you were the one who observed last week that they appear to have brought back the loudest fan contest, which is when Borash goes out there before a segment and says, OK, guys, you need to be loud. And the loudest fan wins a free T-shirt and he holds up the T-shirt. Sometimes it's autographed. Usually it isn't. Uh, and usually he works it and gives it to a kid or something. But, uh, during this match, I was like, Oh, this is loudest fan. This is, you know, it's a sustained, uh, chant for EO that isn't actually responding to any of the flow of the action in the ring.

So these people are just trying to win t-shirts.

I typed that in my recap as well.

I don't know if you saw that, but I was like, it's gotta be.

There because they're, uh, This is just transition stuff that they're doing and everybody's acting like this is a great big deal right now.

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Okay.

Hi, team. It's JB from Detroit.

What do you think of the Halloween Havoc slash Chucky crossover that they're advertising for next week's show? Also, what is the most likely title change for next week?

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Um.

A Chucky crossover in wrestling? Who'd a thunk it? That happened in WCW. That's how long you can go back and find Chucky crossovers. And that was a gobbledygooker type mystery.

What is that laughter going on? And it was Chucky crossover.

Five or six weeks later to show up and promote his movie. And it got booed hard by the audience when he showed up on the screen and then said, whatever movie it was in theaters next week.

Oh my God. It was so, I think we all felt dumber watching it. It definitely happened. It was no good.

So not a fan of them not learning from mistakes, but that is wrestling.

Most likely title change, women's. Tom?

Yep.

Mandy over Raquel is the one that is definitely going to happen.

I basically don't care about the Chucky thing.

I don't expect that he's going to show up in the Performance Center. I think they're just going to have graphics on the screen or something.

But I was thinking... OK, I mean, USA has been.

I couldn't believe that the Chucky show hadn't ended yet. It just started last week. And when it started after NXT, I was like, are they showing? Oh, I love Rob Zombie, but I only saw his Halloween remake in theaters the one time.

Is this the beginning of that?

Because the opening shot of the show is a rip off of Halloween, but it wasn't the original.

So I'm like, what's going on? And it's the Chucky show.

Um, if, if, uh, if the original child's play does a take on Halloween with that first person perspective, I have simply forgotten that maybe that is the case. But anyway, I was thinking, okay, USA has put a ton of promotion into Chucky.

Uh, people seem to be interested in it.

Uh, you know, lots of Brad Dura fans out there.

Hey, he's, he's, he's awesome. So cool. But, uh, I'm looking at the ratings. I guess I'm jumping ahead.

I was trying to think of like, which show is giving which show the rub, you know, cross promotion, yay and everything.

But like, what are they really getting out of this?

Um, and I looked at the ratings and Chucky, I mean, I guess for today's TV, I'm not a much of a ratings guy, but, uh, I guess this is decent for today's TV on, on cable. It's, uh, it did three and a half million on USA. And then it's also airing on sci-fi apparently where it did four and a half million. Um, So I guess now that I say all that out loud, the idea would be that there isn't– it's to get that crossover. The people who are watching Chucky that aren't watching– okay, well, I guess I had to talk myself through it so I can finally state the obvious, that even though they did similar ratings to NXT– It's not the same people watching.

So so there you go.

So that's how I feel about it now that I have reeducated myself on on marketing.

Were you were you watching Nitro when they did the thing where there was a the main event of Nitro was Hogan and Giant? And it was going to go long, so they said it would play during the commercials throughout the first ever episode of the Robin Hood show that they did. Back when it was the cool thing to do, to do anachronistic stuff that was like.

Renaissance era, but it was hip. know sucked or whatever.

But like briscoe county junior yeah yeah um i know you're a huge bruce campbell fan.

It's you know what like everyone loves bruce campbell so that sounds bad that i it's personal folks it's literally personal and i mean personal that's all i'm saying okay so um.

Yeah.

I was not, I was not watching, the only I have heard of that.

I've heard of that. Maybe I even heard of that from you. No, I heard it on some like flashback podcast. But the only times I ever watched Nitro were when I was watching Raw and I was like, you know what?

I'm such a WWF guy. Let me just see what's on the other channel. And then 10 seconds into.

That, I would be like, Nope, I'm going right back.

They made it out to be live as if Hogan and giant were really wrestling live as if Hogan at that time was going to work a match over nine minutes, let alone, uh, 60, 65, 70 minutes.

And then for a.

Match that was supposedly so huge, it didn't show up on every commercial break. It showed up on the first one and then like the second to last one and the last one or something like that. And that was their way of forcing people to watch their ultra horrible.

Robin Hood show.

And then the match ended in disqualification. So, so you knew already, like that.

Was what WCW did at that.

Time, but they strung that match out and still had it be screwy. So anybody who saw it was like, well, I'll never be fooled by that again. Um, I've always wondered what the drop-off was from episode one to two on that Robin hunt show, because, uh.

I made the decision.

It was a hard no on episode two after I watched episode one of that. Thanks for going down memory lane with us, everyone. That was what was going on in wrestling in 1998, 97. 508, if you're on, go ahead and say hey.

Tell us who you are and where you are.

Shut up, Kelly.

Oh, my goodness. Why?

Why, Nate?

Well, I guess that does simplify everything.

But on the other hand, Nate, you jerk, I was going to give Darrell one more, but I didn't because a 508 call came.

In and it was you.

I apologize.

Well, now we can use the seg to say that even though Wikipedia does not have the ratings for episode one from the new Adventures of Robin Hood, I can tell you that the episode was called Rage of the Mongols. A village under siege from Mongol warriors turns to Robin and to the team to aid them in finally defeating the raiders.

Just put any two groups from history together, folks.

That's a television show.

Oh, and the guy who played Sub-Zero in Mortal Kombat was the bad guy in that episode.

Oh, wow.

So incredible acting range for that guy, who won.

Numerous awards for both.

Yeah, let's... Let's go to a match, I guess.

Grayson Waller versus L.A. Knight.

Both guys wanted to be the host of Halloween Havoc, so this was a match where the stakes were to be on a show where you wouldn't have to wrestle. Interesting, when you break it down that way, that they're both. They're literally wrestling to not appear in a show where I would think you'd want to be.

On, but whatever.

LA Knight wins in just 247. I continue to like Grayson a lot as a plucky underdog babyface, but I think he could be a lot more than that if he wants. I think I.

Said aloud on this very show that he has.

Some level of Sammy Zane-like, early Sammy Zane-like potential.

But we'll see where that leads. LA Knight continues to be one of the very big, the best parts of this show consistently.

And is a heel who gets booed, which I love. And that's not happening much, especially in NXT in front of this Crummy crowd, but this is happening with LA Knight, but he wins with his finisher, which I know is.

Three letters, but I don't remember which letters they are. But yes, he won, and we will have a heel host of Halloween Havoc.

That could get real tiresome real quick, but there.

Will be some kind of angle, so it doesn't matter, Tom.

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I agree regarding Grayson Waller, a lofty comparison to early underdog Zane.

But there is a pinch. There's a pinch.

I will say that while I was more defensive of his likes and swipes comment last week, I was like, oh, you know, sort of cool and dismissive. And, you know, it was mostly to set up a Grimes storyline.

Yeah. LA Knight brought it back in the.

Little– they each did a social media video that was shown back-to-back earlier in the show. Neither were particularly great, but LA Knight– said that Waller is all about the hashtags or something, like, oh, you can't host a show, you only care about hashtags or something. And I was like, oh, no, they actually are going to make that a through line with this character, aren't they?

But maybe I shouldn't be so worried.

This was fine, and I don't feel like Waller lost too much in losing.

Maybe I didn't pay close enough attention to.

Um, to Wade Barrett, who is, he said something about Hollywood and he is the one who would have been talking about this kind of thing. But I talked to myself out of being like, why the hell are people.

Wrestling to host Halloween havoc and.

Into being like, well, with these guys, it's probably exposure and money. I mean, you know, they're not going to say that they want to earn a paycheck for this particular episode. Uh, but I guess exposure.

Um, sure.

Yeah.

All right, let's do a beatdown of the other four matches we haven't talked about yet. I'm just going to list them all, and we'll talk about anything that happens to jump out. And it doesn't matter if it's a few minutes, but there we go. Odyssey Jones defeats Andre Chase in 254 in the opening. Two minutes and 54 seconds, probably one of the shortest openers they've ever done.

It's technically a.

grudge match, but yes, another squash for Odyssey Jones.

Andre Chase wrestling in the full school gear with the sweater.

I just feel like that's an accident waiting to happen.

As a visual, it's hilarious. I love it, but I wonder if it's difficult for the grip of the other wrestler.

Cora Jade defeats Electra Lopez in 151.

Electra Lopez, another.

One who I don't know... if she's iffy or whatever, but she had a real bad match with B-Fab, and this was an imperfect match with Cora tonight on some spots, just kind of slow and labored, and it didn't feel like it was Cora to me, but... I'm really digging Cora, so maybe that's why I think that. Tony D'Angelo goes over Rue Fang in 144. Tony D'Angelo is weird in that I think that his gimmick absolutely sucks, but he's doing so, so well at it. Like, he's just absolutely killing this gimmick that is giving him nothing.

Rue Fang, by the way, I thought was impressive as well. Good gimmick. A good job done by him.

But I feel like the ceiling could be higher for this guy who's pretty big. Briggs & Jensen versus Legato Del Fantasma. This was about five minutes, but we didn't see the opening bell. Legato goes over Briggs & Jensen. This was another one where the audience just refuses to play along and boos the hot tag by the babyfaces.

because they have to lodge their pleasure of Legato at every moment. So there on the other four quickish.

Matches, Tom.

All right, let's go backwards then.

Legato Del Fantasma beating up Briggs and Jensen backstage and then finding out that that's the team that Phoenix and Mendoza were about to go out and wrestle.

I was like, okay.

Angry, you know, post losing to Swerve, who's not around to to exact revenge on anymore. Angry mean streak Phantasma seems better than. Escobar is North American champion. The, you know, what I said seemed like it might be a been there, done that situation. Um, but then this wasn't really much of a mission statement. It was just kind of a match with the pre-match beat down advantage. Uh, but I don't know, uh, slightly different flavoring, slightly new flavoring for Legado del Fantasma.

So, um, Maybe good. D'Angelo. Yay. Squash match.

Yay.

One of the 2019 Shanghai tryout recruits getting on TV. The post-match interview didn't really do anything for me, but you're absolutely right.

He's leaning in. D'Angelo is leaning in. to everything.

And, uh, for his second week in front of the crowd, uh, the D'Angelo still seemed to be getting not, not the exact same enthusiasm from the crowd as the novelty of the first time, but he still seemed to be getting a positive crowd response.

So even though this.

Particular, uh, bit of extra characterization and storyline furthering ish bits with the whole lash legend thing and kidnapping the producer, um, didn't do too much for me here. Seemed like the crowd dug it.

So that's good. Um, and there's nothing egregious to, to call out.

Uh, yeah.

Electra Lopez is the other one that comes to mind. Uh, she was the other half of that B fab match. She was the other half of what I do not recall being a great match with Frankie Monet. Um, and yet when we've seen Cora Jade, uh, There isn't a history of not doing well. She's done pretty darn well for herself in the little bit that we've seen. And some people who watch 205 have seen a little bit more.

I'm not.

I'm not. I know I'm not.

But 205 has been utilizing... these 2.0 wrestlers more. I think it's only 205 in name anymore, and it's just sort of like more NXT 2.0, basically.

Odyssey Jones wrestled on 2.0.

There you go, yeah.

And I saw that Boa wrestled Jeet Rama, the latter of which I didn't even know was around anymore. Not that I remember him getting released or anything, but I just sort of forgot Jeet Rama... existed holy jeet to that uh.

But i was like oh man.

There's a reason to tune into 205 and then you know i i didn't but i like seeing boa kick people so i don't know wondering if 205 is a good thing to throw on in the background uh nowadays but but anyway the weak link would seem apparent since electra has the history of not wrestling well on tv and cora jade Does, and then they did the little backstage bit again with Legato Del Fantasma beating people up.

Didn't really get a good look at who this was, and maybe it– let's see.

Scroll, scroll, scroll.

No, the women's triple threat was after this, so it wouldn't have been– I keep on wanting to call them Brooks and Jensen, but I wouldn't have been. It didn't look like Trey Baxter. Maybe Trey Baxter got a haircut, but I didn't get a good look at his face. But I was trying to think of superheroes whose origin stories, because I'm still on that.

I'm like, oh, they did that superhero thing.

I'm waiting for him to, you know, debut the new gimmick because he wants to help his girlfriend or something.

Yeah.

And I'm trying to think of superheroes whose origin stories involved them getting the absolute crap.

Beaten out of them.

I'd have to watch Kick-Ass again, and I'm not going to. I'd have to read— well, there's an Invincible TV show now, but I read the comic book. I'd have to read Invincible again. That was a genetic thing, actually. I guess Spider-Man in a sense, although that was more emotionally, he got beat up by macho man in the movie.

Um, okay.

Uh, uh, Hey, Bruce Campbell, shut up.

What is he?

The human, the human spider that sucks.

He's the Spider-Man. Uh, okay. Uh, thank you, Sam Raimi.

Um, Chase versus Jones. I, you know, this doesn't necessarily have to be over. I wanted a little bit more out of it. I thought they could have milked this a little bit more and given us more of an amusing. It doesn't have to be a Halloween Havoc match, but they could have done like two or three more weeks with with Jones antagonizing Chase and Chase being.

Being all upset about it.

And where's the cheating from Chase? Like there's there really needed to be some cheating from Chase here. It seems like getting into it that way could have, you know, falsely extended the match and would have been true to Chase's character.

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Yeah. And I wonder it's kind of conflicting thoughts, but I wonder if he if Chase is both too cartoonish and too vanilla to last very long.

Like, I don't want to overstate that.

My enjoyment level of him i don't think he's that great but there's something there i think you know he needs to keep working on it and that's and he's in the right spot for that this match was fine you know the stuff you know they they introduced his uh his cheering section in the crowd which is funny um but it seems like he's going for a you know a damien sandow kind of thing and it's just i don't know maybe he seems a little too dweeby maybe he doesn't seem like a television vision personality. He just seems like a guy, which is a Trey Baxter issue.

It's an MSK issue, apparently. Um, but I, but there's something there, there's something that I do like about him. And I just, I don't know, like, I, I kind of hope it pans out, but it's also young enough in his, uh, in his NXT career that I'm also not that invested.

And if he disappeared, I might not notice.

Speaking of guys named Poffo by birth, um, Randy Savage's brother, Lanny Poppo, the genius, is an extremely good comparison to Andre Chase, where you've got to find something for him to do, but he's so damn ordinary looking in so many ways.

Yeah, that is a very good comparison. I think that, and even, you know, somewhat in character. But you can have... a career doing that. I, Lanny.

Papa was still kind of doing that for appearances.

He said he co.

Announced a few new Japan shows a couple of years ago and more or less did it in genius.

Kind of in gimmick. Um, yeah, he's, he doesn't have stuff written for him now and he's, you know, he's only as much of a genius as he really is in real life.

So it was, you know, it exposed him a little, but he was good. Anyway, let's go to the non-wrestling segments. Kyle O'Reilly and Von Wagner, they're mountain men, and they really want you to like them. Joe Gacy and the guy who attacked Tommaso Ciampa. I'm going to need help on his.

It's like six letters starts with H. Is that right?

Angle Drangle.

Joe Gacy and Angle Drangle talking across a window. Gacy saying all of the buzzwords that he's supposed to say. It's a safe space, and I'm triggered, and I love you, Hangle Drangle. And Hangle Drangle puts out his hand, and they touch between the windows of the Hangle Drangle County Prison building. And that's that's what happened here.

Word for word after the county where there's backstory here.

There is. It's you know, it's it's a county. It's simple folk, Tom. And they don't they don't have a lot of ideas. They they they see what county is. That's why there's so many people that I know named Faribault because I grew up in Faribault County.

There are none, folks. We're way, way off script.

Okay, so Legado del Fantasma beats up Trey Baxter because Electra Lopez is mad that she didn't beat Cora Jade. That sounds stupid, but all that stuff is true. Duke Hudson played some poker. Solo Sakoa is going to show up next week.

How did he get such a cool.

Name at a time when everybody's getting terrible names? Aikamenjiro and Kushida talked in the bathroom, and there was a cameraman there that apparently did not bother Kushida. Kushida, and Kushida is going to go back in time to the Back to the Future concept. We had a very brief Mandy and Raquel hype segment. We are going to get the rebirth of somebody who's throwing stuff in a grave that looks a whole lot like all the stuff that Scarlett used to use.

Tom, on this stuff.

You know what?

I just remembered that Darrell asks what we would think of Diamond Mine in War Games. And like you said, question mark on War Games, question mark on TakeOver in general moving forward.

But wouldn't they have.

To add somebody since the coach isn't wrestling anymore? And I can, and Jiro doesn't seem like somebody they would put in a war games match.

So that's my response to that. Uh, Kyle and Vaughn Wagner. I actually liked this. I don't feel like.

I'm supposed to have liked this. I feel like this is something, well, obviously the show wants me.

Let me go to an email.

I'm going to go to an email real quick. Um, because you liked it and I more than tolerated it.

I thought it was fine. Um, yeah, but here's an email.

Uh, evening y'all first things first, I'd rather be kicked in the nuts with steel toed boots rather than to ever have to watch the Wagner O'Reilly segment again, as I just typed that I come in Jiro and Kushida just had their moment in the restroom and, uh, yeah, interesting night so far, but on another note, can GYV get called up to the main roster already? I know they had to get Braun Breaker over in the match, but it's time.

For GYV to move up.

Anyway, a solid show tonight, and time for me to watch episode two of the new Chucky TV series. Thanks for the awesome content you all provide, and have a great night. That's from Sean O'Hearn. Speaking of great content, why are you watching the Chucky TV series?

Let's not.

We talked plenty of Chucky, and for all I know, That show is a future award winner. I thought that this....

Here's the thing.

On this segment, I thought that it was blandly inoffensive and.

Fine, but.

Considering this is a hard left turn for NXT, and until very recently, there were no segments anymore that.

Weren't in the building. Like that just wasn't happening.

Uh, it kind of comes out of nowhere. And so to be so high concept also, Tom, do you think this, this was the same deep woods, quote unquote, that, uh, Bray Wyatt, uh, did all his segments from eight years ago.

I'll bet it was.

Um, It's just that the characters specifically, Von Wagner being so rejected in his first push and Kyle being rejected as a face, it comes off bad not because of the segment itself, but because the guys in the segment are in a position where it seems like the company's begging them to be taken seriously as babyfaces to him.

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Yeah, and thank you, Sean.

I am also concerned about the Grizzled Young Veterans. Yeah, main event tonight, but, you know, just sort of like we're there to help tell the story of Champa and Breaker. Yeah, Kyle and Von Wagner, I enjoyed seeing them bond, you know, as only Jeremy Borash can film it. I say only Jeremy Borash, but I continue to see similarities. It's just why I appreciate his filmmaking, because I see similarities between the way that he films things on a shoestring and the way I do it. A year ago, I said I was going to release a movie, and then I got bogged down in sound editing halfway through and didn't finish. it, but I, you know, my most recent thing, if I ever get around to finishing it, I'm still pecking away, uh,

filmed in 2015. But I, you know, every time I go back and edit it, I'm like, I just, what I'm doing reminds me of what Borash is doing. So I like, I don't know, maybe I'm responding to that more than anything else. Um, but, but I, I also filmed part of that movie, like walking into the woods a ways to, to get away from, uh, from, uh, public uh and those trees that they're or it looked like it was just one tree that they were working out with not very heavy so i don't know if that works on television for people who don't live around where those trees grow but it yeah not not very heavy uh they would have been better off in in cal bloom's backyard as was shown to us in his video package like a month ago now um i i

Don't I think this was just sort of like a trail. I love hiking, but I never hike in Florida. Like if I like when I lived out west, that was my hobby. I never hike in Florida because it's just all swampy flatland. So this looked like a public trail and where they did the Bray Wyatt stuff. There are areas of well, I guess this won't surprise too many people.

There are areas of Florida that look like. the bayous of Alabama. Uh, so I assume that they.

Probably like drove an hour and went to an abandoned town or something. They're, they're out there.

Um, and I probably should have filmed my 2015 movie in one of.

Them, but, uh, okay. Gacy.

Um, so I'm, I'm going to laud a segment that had so many camera cuts and, and multi-camera setups and then criticize a segment for having, uh, two cuts and only two shots. This was Gacy talking to camera, uh, and, and talking to the audience and inviting people to become his snowflakes.

And it was, this was the Bray Wyatt thing.

And I know it's easy to make that comparison with the Gacy character and it's not the exact same thing. He reminds me a little bit more of right to censor, but this was him saying like, this is his version of, of, um, uh, not walk with the buzzards, follow the buzzards. Um, Yeah, I'm I'm tiring of or maybe I'm already tired of just like every week he's got to add a new buzzword.

This word this this week, it was microaggressions. Definitely tired of that. But the talking directly into camera, it definitely seemed like a step further for the character. Like, OK, now we know this is sort of like a culty thing. And then he puts his hand up and says, touch my hand.

And.

If they wanted to do the clever, like, oh, he was actually talking to Hangeldrangle and not talking to us, you know, the hand comes up and you see the.

I'd forgotten!

And you see the reflection, like, maybe I would still go along with that, but they had gone, it's all about context with this sort of thing, and they had gone far enough in establishing that this was just him talking to camera that then cutting to the reverse shot of Hangle Drangle took me back out of it. It's like when, when Borash is cutting around and doing drone shots, and I don't know if there were any drone shots and I don't think there were in the Kyle and Von Wagner thing, but you know, it's fine. That's, that's what that segment is on its own. Um, And I get the little like twist of like, Ooh, he was actually talking to somebody.

Um, but the, the reverse shot took me out of it. Um, solo Sakoa.

He sure sounds like quiche is my note on that one. And then, uh, my even briefer note on the Kushida bathroom. So I called it Kushida bathroom. My heading on my, in my notes is Kushida bathroom. And my one word note is dumb. Uh, I don't know, maybe I would have given it a pass if they didn't turn the lights blue when Kushida tapped his watch. Duke Hudson, he didn't need... anything extra but so far all this poker room thing is doing is well it's getting him merch is one thing that it's doing although i haven't been tracking there was wwe introduced that like sub wwe shop site where you know like red bubble or or whatever you know pro wrestling tees um they just like they print on demand so they just gave like like kona

reeves got a shirt everybody In NXT got a shirt because they were like, why the hell not?

Let's have the option there.

If one person wants to buy it, we're not printing off reams of them and then needing to put them on sale. So I don't know if Duke's poker room is one of those, but Duke's got a shirt now.

And anyway, he didn't need anything extra, but.

I'm all right with the poker room because not only was it something he was already joking about and yet didn't need to be blown up to this extent to this, this vignette extent. And, and I, it's also weird to me that he's.

Winning all the time. Like I didn't, I don't know.

I didn't view Duke as someone who won at the poker table all the time. I viewed him as someone who was, who enjoyed playing. Um, but it's flavoring what he's doing. It's flavoring how commentary sells him. It allows him to be on TV when he's not wrestling like tonight, but it's not actually changing what he does, what he actually does in the ring and during his entrances and whatnot, which is already effective on its own.

So, okay, I guess. Did you mention the Raquel and Mandy video? Yeah, briefly.

Mandy's character is extremely shallow and, But that's the compliment in this case.

That is her character.

Like we suggested earlier, or at least I suggested earlier, they've found the Mandy Rose lane. Not that it should have been too difficult to find, but I think it's clicking right now. And so all of the gratuitous shots in this, and they had some workout stuff in there and whatnot. I thought this was a good character piece for Mandy. Raquel's stuff was a bit weaker and more obligatory, and it's just sort of, you know, it's fine. It is the match that I'm looking forward to most next week, even though I feel like I know the finish. It's just kind of too bad that Raquel has plateaued with the belt rather than seeming to further discover herself over the course of her reign.

The Mystery Wrestler. I noticed playing cards. I noticed a chair. I... You know, my pick last week was pretty.

I don't know how strongly it was, but it was pretty like, man, I really think Scarlet is the most interesting pick here, even though both Ember and Dakota also come to mind.

But assuming they.

Are using the actual wrestler in these spots and not a stand-in, the... the build that the person has is absolutely Dakota's build. Like even under the hoodie, it looks like Dakota. So now I'm, I'm wavering on my Scarlet pick. I guess I would have to go back and look at the actual objects that she dropped into the grave.

Uh, and that's the last one I have notes on.

I don't know if there are any further ones that you teed up, but that's what I got.

I hope you're right because I want an excuse to talk about her again. Um, Yeah, Kushida has won multiple Best of the Super Juniors tournaments. A month-long tournament, a round-robin, where grueling, a large amount of wrestling minutes in a month. And Vince McMahon's like, come to America, go to the bathroom.

And did you what was the camera already in there or did it follow?

It was there.

Like, why was like, dude, go the hell away. I this is this is Attitude Era stuff. But even in the Attitude Era, if it was in the bathroom, they were.

Like, well, let's put this on GTV, even though we're never going to pay that off. Let's put this on GTV.

He stopped midstream.

Oh, my God. I hate you so much. Let's go to an email from Hangle Drangle. Salutations, gents. I hope this email finds you well.

As I've reflected on the last few weeks of this new version of NXT, I'd love to hear each of you, your way-too-early-to-tell picks for the new act, male or female, you think will have the biggest impact on the brand in the next year to come.

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The Professor Kevin P. Catani, PhD. You can't watch. Podcasting is an oral medium. So, yeah, no visual to that. But thank you. If you'd watch me, you'd be able to see me throw out my arm. Like, when I do this voice, this one right here.

I am throwing out my arm like looking for help. That's what I'm doing. I literally do that every time that I'm doing that voice.

It's a real thing. It is not an affectation. That is– so if you want a visual medium, there you go. Yeah, the biggest impact on the.

Brand, hard not to say– Ivy Nile of the ones that have recently been introduced.

Um, as far as a male, they would.

Certainly have me think Braun Breaker. And I like part of that.

Oh man.

I mean, would that either one of the Creed brothers, uh, could really talk, it would.

Be them for sure.

Because I love what they do more than words can say. I wouldn't be surprised from anyone, from Andre Chase to Tony D'Angelo. Would not be surprised at all if it's Tony D'Angelo.

And I.

He is just a total enigma to me because I can't believe how dumb and how one-dimensional and how lowest common denominator this character is. But he's like, I'm going to be the best of this that you ask of me.

And he's doing it.

And he's doing his part in the ring.

And....

Whether they give him more nuance or not, it's hard to bet against somebody who's throwing themselves.

So beautifully into the role right away, like right away. He's this good.

Um, so, Oh.

Man, I don't want to give them high fives for this character, but him, the performer, absolutely.

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Tom?

I think it almost is a cop out to say Bron Breaker, but they've just gone on hard enough, fast enough with him that even though I don't think he wins next week, I think that they really signaled that he is of the men, even though I believe that. And, you know, after after I thought it, but before I got to go on record with it on a podcast yesterday, J.C.

Jane said it out loud.

And now this week, Mandy said it out loud or not on the show, but she said it on Instagram and and the NXT official Instagram has said it as well, that Mandy Rose and, you know, by extension, Toxica.

Attraction.

But Mandy Rose is the new face of NXT 2.0.

And I stand by that.

But for the men, even if Braun Breaker is not the face of 2.0, he's very emblematic of what 2.0 represents, a very extreme return. who was originally when it went to full sale, but even more so because there are even newer acts across up and down the card with the complication of being on a network and being at two hours. So I feel like a cop-out to say Braun, but I feel like Braun is the right pick at this point.

And is it a cop-out to say that Mandy Rose.

But for the same reasons that I already mentioned, added to the fact that I think it's actually for the first time for the first time in what appears to be. what appears to be safe to pick as a relatively extended period of time, longer than the Otis thing, longer than the Sonya thing. This is something that's actually clicking for her. And I feel like to the extent that she can, she is firing on all cylinders. I have enjoyed every match she has had, even when she stumbles over her words, I feel like her promos are character furthering and, and positive for, you know, for her act.

And I feel like she is a reason, Well, I say for me, I feel like she's a reason to watch NXT right now, which is kind of miraculous because we're talking about Mandy Rose here. Again, somebody who I've never had too many bad words to say about. And may I say yet again that even on that season of Tough Enough, she was my favorite, my favorite person on there. And I thought she should have won.

Yeah.

But yeah, this is a person who still, like when I listen to other NXT recaps, it seems like people just don't want to give her a chance because it's Mandy Rose. And she's been proven as someone who can't over the years much more than someone who can. And I feel like she is getting another breath here, though.

But it's a much more difficult question if Mandy Rose doesn't count.

So....

Boy, it really is a much more difficult question, almost to the point where it feels like it could be a grab bag. And I'm just assuming that Kevin is talking about people who have been introduced post 2.0. So Ivy Nile does stand out at least a little bit. You know, we'll see how the progress goes there. But I want to skew a little bit prior to 2.0 and say Zoe Stark. Just because she's been so impressive in everything that she has done, it's almost weird that she has disappeared a little bit into just over the past couple weeks. Even without them defending the titles too often, I think they've only had one title.

Defense, I have enjoyed.

the EO and Zoe tag team, but Zoe herself has feel felt like she's disappeared a little bit, but I feel like she's natural and likable in promos. Uh, she's proven herself in the ring again and again against a litany of opponents. Um, so I, I hope that, uh, that they run with her once this tag team situation is, uh, has run its course.

I don't know that I would have counted her.

Um, Let me put it on record that Cora Jade is my favorite. I want it to be her.

She came to mind as well, yeah.

Ivy Nile seems to be the one that they'll attempt to run with, whether that works or not.

It really does seem, Tom, that we are once again in an.

NXT period where.

We will see as many failures as we do successes.

Yes, absolutely. It's sink or swim.

And speaking of that, someone who was mentioned but not on the show, another name, just because we're looking into a grab bag here, another name that I think is notable to bring up, Lash Legend.

Because... There are a lot of people who are.

Liking what she's doing right now, and I think there's potential, even though the segments have been pretty terrible so far. In my opinion, I think there's potential there. We just have to see how it translates out of the little studio setting.

It's a good character, and I am convinced so far that the performer can make it work. But so far, it's not good, and it's pre-taped. Um, yeah, that's, that's a big hill to climb. So hopefully she can overcome it because, uh, because I'm always cheering for.

The talent all the time.

Um, even when I take swipes at them every now and then.

So there you go. That is our show. I'm Kelly Wells.

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Tom, who are you?

At Tom Stopp on social media.

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But why the hell not? Click the link.

All of my short films and YouTube channels and podcasts and articles and whatnot are there, including the patron-supported Speedway video on YouTube. I just started filming a different set of racing events on top of the events that I was already filming, so there's more content there. And the epic, it actually fits, I'm not just throwing that term out there, the epic Dungeons & Dragons group, Wailing Creatures, also on YouTube, for which my character, the rogue kiddo, has a lot to do in this upcoming Saturday episode. So if you are listening to willing creatures, it is a me heavy episode, uh, pretty fun stuff there. And, um, and I'll just sign off by saying, I hope Kaylee Ray is all right. Um, I,

I hope that we see her, um, if not, you know, probably not at Halloween havoc, uh, The week after to challenge Mandy Rose to be Mandy Rose's first challenger? Please?

Like, where'd KLR go?

Do you remember when the word epic was useful and then all of a sudden people were using it to explain Taco Bell burritos?

I literally do.

Oh, boy.

A weird show for us, Tom. Puriam, I says.

Yes.

Holy jeet, you says. We're going to go, and it's time. And we thank you for hanging out. And I used them all up. So we're going to fizzle out here, folks. Cheers.

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